Do you think this series will allow Karai X Leo to become canon?
 

Look I don't know where to talk about pairings on these forums, normally in Anime forums they have a topic for this so these types of questions don't pop all the time. So we don't have one um, in the 2003 series we all know what happened with the pairing :roll:

In season four last episode the broken Foot episode, we still saw they had attraction towards each other.

What do you guy's think?

No. No. No.

I think it was not so much that they were attracted to eachother but more they had the same goal which was "The Shredder needs to be taken down for good and all."

As a Kunoichi, Karai does have the ability to saduce or charm men to doing what she wants. And this is something Karai has done with Leo on a number of occasions. In Broken Foot, there is one moment where Karai does attempt to use her sex appeal to get Leo to agree with her, and Leo just says "You can't charm me, this time."

I hope not, not only is Karai human and Leo a giant mutated turtle, but they are adopted siblings and even share DNA through Splinter.

Nope, Leo is a mutant and Karai is human. Even if they were to get together, How would they be fruitful?
Personally I think Leo and Donnie are crazy(not actually crazy). I say to myself: "maybe they don't look at themselves in the mirror and see the extreme difference between them and the girls"

Have people forgotten that Karai IS a mutant, not a human?
Anyway, I'd say no. They're both Splinter's children and even though they're not biologically related, it'd still be weird. And I don't think snake/human and turtle DNA would mix anyway. Not to mention I don't really care for shipping and relationships stuff in TMNT.

It would be particularly weird at this point since even mikey calls her sis.

I don't think they could reproduce but that still doesn't mean they can't be a couple.

Although I don't think the human/mutant thing is an issue. A couple don't have to be the same species in fantasy and sci-fi.
The most official couple in Babylon 5 Sheridan and Delenn were an interspecies couple with Sheridan being Human and Delenn was Minbari.

Although the fact they're adopted siblings and share some of the same DNA makes it a no go shipping for me.

no no more fuel for those annoying Tumblr shippers

Biologically, Karai would share 50% of her fathers DNA and Leonardo has 50% of Splinters DNA, being half human and half turtle. This would make them about 25% related, which is about on the same level as Double First Cousins, Uncles/Aunts, Grandparents and Half siblings. However, Karai also would also go through a second mutation that would make her half snake and half human, so this cuts her biological relationship with Leo in half, being approximately 12.5%, which is on the same level as first cousins. Now it wouldn't be too much of an issue if Leo and Karai were first cousins who were both humans, as those type of marriages are accepted and legal throughout the vast majority of the world, but they're not even of the same species, so I dont think their relationship should be canon, regardless of how closely related they are. And this is not even taking into account that they're both adopted siblings, which makes it even less desirable.

That's like, incest, man.

As much as I love Leo and Karai's interactions (a bit playful) and their friendship, I'm not really into it shipping wise, if that makes sense. I honestly couldn't see the show going in that direction, but if they do, so be it.Don't see how. They aren't biologically related.

Wow this is opening a can of worms.

But some points to consider at least -

*overthinking hat on*

1: Karai is genetically not that much divergent from where she started in Season 1.

- Her mutation is defined by her ability to shift forms between 2 genetically locked types, as well as gradients in between them. The only way that could work genetically is to have 2 parallel sets of interlinked DNA, with the ability to force specific genomes into dormancy or awaken them from dormancy as she shifts from one form to another.
The fact that she still has the same appearance when in human form is proof of this as any major shift in genetics would forcibly alter her appearance - even when human. Therefore, she hasn't had her genetic relationship to her father reduced in any meaningful way.

ie; a relationship with a true born son of Hamato Yoshi would be genetically incestuous

2: From a societal perspective, the turtles have already accepted her as a sister.

- Can't really argue with this one. She considers herself a daughter of Splinter. Splinter knows she is his daughter. Most, if not all the turtles, have plainly considered her as a sister. From the point of view of 'society' she is Leo's sister.

ie; a relationship would be considered socially incestuous

3: Leo's genetics are actually more of a question mark than Karai's are.

- We only assume Leo and the other turtles are genetically related to Yoshi. But visible genetic traits actually point away from that possibility - notably eye colour. Yoshi is almost certainly pure breed Japanese, and the chances of any genetic descendant having blue eyes (let alone green) is almost pathetically tiny. Plus, most first time owners of reptiles from pet shops are unlikely to have handled the animals directly before returning home - rather the pet shop clerk would while explaining how to care for them. Its much more likely that Leo and his brothers are genetically descended from European ethnic stock coming from the store clerks.

Ie; a relationship between Leo and Karai would probably not be genetically incestuous - mostly because Leo probably isn't a genetic relation.


*over thinking hat off*

So basically.... *shrug*

Its the equivalent of the adopted son marrying the trueborn daughter. Not technically wrong on a genetic level, but hardly approved by society at large.

But for that reason - at least in this version of the series - It will almost certainly never happen. Its too close for comfort for a show aimed at kids (even taking recent episodes into account).




And I appreciate the sentiment that those who do support the 'ships' have that there isnt really somewhere to discuss it without being torpedoed for doing so.

Maybe we should call anti shippers 'Nemo's? Going around trying to sink the shippers? That way you could call any thread which is just plainly asking for trouble from them a 'Finding Nemo' thread :)

I'll shut up now....

I've never noticed her have an attraction toward him... She knows he has had a thing for her and obviously will very gladly toy with him, but I can't say I've ever seen it even hinted at being mutual.

I don't even see it in 2003. I see him caring as he seems to see her as a potentially good person trapped in a bad situation and bad decisions, but that is all.

2012 seems to be the first to actually suggest he's got a crush. (Although Lotus kinda started this. lol) Will it go beyond 2012, well I guess that is up to their future writers.

Although 2012 Leo seems to have backed off on his interest a bit, after the whole "sister" and snake thing came about. Was also kind of annoyed at her for a bit semi-recently (around the time Karai's friend showed up?). At least at that time it seemed like the honeymoon was over, or so I thought to myself when he gave her some attitude. lol

I actually do ship them, but will they become canon in this verse? I doubt it only because it's a very controversial relationship as you can see from this very discussion. I don't think they are biologically related in any way and they were not raised together. I also don't see the human/mutant thing as a problem. It's sci-fi. It's pretty common. In order to make it work, Karai would have to distance herself from Leo and Splinter first. We shall see I guess.

It's not even canon in the first series it popped up in. Karai goes off to date Dr. Chaplin. Nick is so far the only other version that uses it most have them at odds with each other.

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The incest is the problem with Leo and Karai, but I don't mind Don and April too much. If Casey wasn't introduced til season 2 and wasn't such a tool I might have rooted for him but it was too little too late, plus he kinda came in as 'the other guy' at a moment that Don and April had a falling out. The thing is, all you guys think about is kids and marriage. When you're 16 you don't think about marrying your first girlfriend and giving her tons of kids. I mean, maybe but that girl is your first of many. I say let Don and April have their way, they may not end up together in the long run.

It's already canon.

They already banged imo.

No.

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