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Yabuturtle 11-28-2016 04:52 PM

Did you like Krang's retcon?
 
While Transdimensional turtles was good, the way they retconned Krang's origin could have been better. It was pretty much heavily implied he had a physical body. Here are a couple things of why I think it is inconsistent.

Krang never mentions his race or his race's name

Krang doesn't even look like the other Kraang. He has less tentacles, lavender eyes and is bigger and has a shade of pink instead.

We know he was banished to 2d earth but it still does not add up. We know there's a 2d earth and 3d earth. It makes sense there would be 2d and 3 d dimension x. Some will say there is only one dimension x but that could not be. Not only does 2d dimension x look different with different colors, such as 2d dimension x having a red background color in space, but there are also different versions of certain characters. 3d dimension x has it's own Tragg and Granitor just like 2d dimension x has it's own version of tragg and granitor, proving these dimensions are different. Not to mention krang has said he was a warlord in dimension x and several characters backed that up and that he wasn't banished for being an idiot.

Candy Kappa 11-28-2016 04:57 PM

It's not an actual retcon, the 2D-verse isn't the same universe as FW it's still within the Nick show's version of multible dimensions.

ProactiveMan 11-28-2016 05:40 PM

Yeah, that 2D universe was more like a parallel FW dimension where the show was made in Flash. Maybe the OT cell animated Krang is still unrelated to the Kraang.

Also, I think it was mostly a joke.

oldmanwinters 11-28-2016 06:00 PM

It was a good effort to be clever on the part of the Nick writers, but that's about it...

Andrew NDB 11-28-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan (Post 1642901)
Yeah, that 2D universe was more like a parallel FW dimension where the show was made in Flash..

That's just fanon. I'm 100% sure TPTB fully intended that to be the actual Fred Wolf universe. If they had money for traditional cel painters and animators and all of that, they would've.

sdp 11-28-2016 08:08 PM

The whole "it's an alternate universe similar but not the FW Turtles" is neat but also like trying too hard. They're obviously meant to be the FW turtles even if there's inconsistencies.

As far as the inconsistencies we had a thread about it when the episode aired here on this forum, I'll edit my post if I find it. As how do I feel about it? I'm not too crazy about it but I like the universes being more connected as well so a little of both. Now I don't believe the FW Krang has an actual body, it's only ever implied but never stated outright and I prefer it that way.

ToTheNines 11-28-2016 08:16 PM

It was pretty lazy. But they tried.

FredWolfLeonardo 11-28-2016 08:53 PM

I actually really like Krang's retcon, and I think its perfectly reconcilable with the FW show.

The extra backstory gives us more insight into his history in Dimension X, an utrom who tried to overthrow his own race and establish a new empire, but was overpowered and banished by Subprime.

It was never explicitly stated who banished him in the OT, and I don't think the Neutrinos would've stood a chance against Krang's rock soldier army. On the contrary, the Kraang hive mind is extremely large and powerful (defeating even the Triceratons), so they would have no problem defeating a rebel amongst them, and would naturally strip Krang of his body (probably acquired via mutation) to humiliate him and banish him to 2D earth, where the Kraang wanted no involvement, instead preferring 3D earth to execute their plans.

ProactiveMan 11-29-2016 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1642920)
That's just fanon.

It was more of a subtle criticism.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1642920)
If they had money for traditional cel painters and animators and all of that, they would've.

I bet they wouldn't.

ssjup81 11-29-2016 05:24 AM

I personally didn't care for it. OT Krang was known as an evil warlord type with his own army of rock soldiers awaiting his orders and stuff. You wouldn't get that impression from watching the Transdimensional Turtles ep.

ABrown 11-29-2016 08:49 AM

No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

ToTheNines 11-29-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ABrown (Post 1642997)
No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

Right. At face value it's cute, but watch one episode of FW and you'll see that it's irreconcilable bunk.

As per my headcanon, Krang just met the Kraang through interdimensional travel and has dealt with them in the past. But he's not an Utrom and there is still at least 4 different Dimension X's.

Wesley 11-29-2016 12:58 PM

I didn't like Krang's retcon. It didn't make sense to me, as I always thought he had a physical body as shown in the OT episode Invasion of the Krangazoids and Krang never referred to himself as an Utrom before.

neatoman 11-29-2016 01:04 PM

I guess the retcon doesn't really make any sense given what we knew about Krang, but then again, we are talking about a retcon to a show with two unrelated and contradictory depictions of Atlantis. I'll just pretend it's a subtle jab at the writing of the Fred Wolf cartoon and leave it at that.

Wesley 11-29-2016 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1643036)
I guess the retcon doesn't really make any sense given what we knew about Krang, but then again, we are talking about a retcon to a show with two unrelated and contradictor. I'll just pretend it's a subtle jab at the writing of the Fred Wolf cartoon and leave it at that.

That makes sense to me. I wasn't really bothered about the retcon anyway.

Powder 11-29-2016 03:08 PM

I liked it. I think it's silly to read too much into the OT's chronology, canon, etc. because so much of it is loose and/or contradictory. You can just kinda pick what you like, background-wise.

Dust 11-29-2016 03:41 PM

Don't forget that Dimension X is a DIMENSION, not a planet, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there is just one Dimension X, with many planets with similar yet different species, at least within the FW/Nick universes. This could mean that Krang's species could be a shoot off or perhaps the original version of Nick's Utroms, or they're related in some way, or perhaps they aren't related at all but look fairly similar.

Andrew NDB 11-29-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dust (Post 1643079)
Don't forget that Dimension X is a DIMENSION, not a planet, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there is just one Dimension X, with many planets with similar yet different species, at least within the FW/Nick universes. This could mean that Krang's species could be a shoot off or perhaps the original version of Nick's Utroms, or they're related in some way, or perhaps they aren't related at all but look fairly similar.

I do like the one Dimension X theory.

In my head, I like to imagine Dimension X is both the dimension of the Archie comics as well as containing a galaxy (X-shaped, as we see in Adventures) that contains what we traditionally think of as Dimension X. In that, there is the Fred Wolf Krang, the Kraang, and whatever that is in the latest "film."

ToTheNines 11-29-2016 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1643080)
I do like the one Dimension X theory.

In my head, I like to imagine Dimension X is both the dimension of the Archie comics as well as containing a galaxy (X-shaped, as we see in Adventures) that contains what we traditionally think of as Dimension X. In that, there is the Fred Wolf Krang, the Kraang, and whatever that is in the latest "film."

Even IDW? That means yet another Krang, a second planet Neutrino, etc.

CyberCubed 11-29-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown (Post 1642997)
No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

I'm not sure I understand this correctly, the OT universe is entirely separate from Nick's. Only Krang is said to originate from their universe.


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