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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 01-21-2017 06:38 AM

UK Hero Turtles comics
 
Did anyone have those? I had some accompanying the Archie comics in Sweden. I also bought some extra pockets who used to come out before Christmas and summer.

oldmanwinters 01-21-2017 08:18 AM

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=24769

I own most of them.
Eventually, DrSpengler plans to review all the original content on his TMNT Entity website.

DrSpengler 01-21-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1654706)
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=24769

I own most of them.
Eventually, DrSpengler plans to review all the original content on his TMNT Entity website.

Or as many as I can find, anyway!

oldmanwinters 01-21-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 1654796)
Or as many as I can find, anyway!

My collection is currently short only #66 of the ongoing original content and the four "Poster Mag" volumes. Maybe some kind collector of all things international can help fill those gaps!

HeroTurtlesFan 01-23-2017 06:17 AM

Yes, I had (and still have!) most of them.

Lots of fond memories of picking them up at the newsagents when I was 10/11 years old.

What I later found interesting (when finally picking up the US originals) was just how much dialogue had been edited/amended for the UK. Not so much on grounds of taste/offence etc, simply "UK-isms" and "US-isms" that might not translate.

oldmanwinters 01-23-2017 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HeroTurtlesFan (Post 1655169)
Yes, I had (and still have!) most of them.

Lots of fond memories of picking them up at the newsagents when I was 10/11 years old.

What I later found interesting (when finally picking up the US originals) was just how much dialogue had been edited/amended for the UK. Not so much on grounds of taste/offence etc, simply "UK-isms" and "US-isms" that might not translate.

Oh, so the Archie reprints featured some dialogue changes? I'll have to go back through those and pay more attention! I do like the larger page format and the colors tend to be more vivid than the current IDW reprints.

Also, do you have issue #66 and would you be willing to share scans? :-)

HeroTurtlesFan 01-26-2017 06:03 AM

I don't think I have #66... my collection finishes around #50.

I only went through the first several issues, but yes, a fair few dialogue amendments (including changing spelling like 'honor' to honour' etc).

I agree with you about the larger sized paper and the vividness of the colours. Frankly, I don't think the Archie series has looked better than in the Fleetway reprints.

pferreira 01-26-2017 11:10 AM

I have a couple. Wasn't a big collector since I was buying Marvel's The Real Ghostbusters comic every week. Great days. I believe that UK Hero Turtles comic did in fact have stories that weren't Archie. Not sure how long that went on for.

Kingoji 01-26-2017 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pferreira (Post 1655892)
I have a couple. Wasn't a big collector since I was buying Marvel's The Real Ghostbusters comic every week. Great days. I believe that UK Hero Turtles comic did in fact have stories that weren't Archie. Not sure how long that went on for.

It was intermittent throughout the whole run. The mag began as a fortnightly publication, which meant it ran the risk of overtaking the monthly Archie title from which it was reprinting material. So UK originated material was commissioned to allow the US book to remain ahead.

Sadly, the UK original material was almost entirely garbage. all the Turtles had the same personality, Mike had to karate chop everything because we weren't allowed to create content featuring nunchucks (despite reprinting US nunchucks being absolutely fine), the villain's plots were uninspired nonsense that made the cartoon look bleak as f**k in comparison and the dialogue was almost entirely comprised of the "adults trying to sound cool after watching Bill and Ted" variety that we've only recently managed to shed from perceptions of the franchise.

Maybe I was just spoiled by the UK Transformers comic though, which pioneered the same template of US reprint > UK original > US > UK material as TMNT, only the UK Material was saved for between US arcs rather than inserted randomly wherever, and was designed to actually maintain and add to the canon of the US material as one cohesive whole universe.
The TMNT UK book didn't manage either of those, sticking garbage 'alt-U' stories literally between chapters of a single US arc. Imagine one issue ending with the cliffhanger of a possessed Warrior Dragon about to decimate a nuclear plant, and the next issue being about hypnotic Pizza or some ****. It was infuriating, even to an 11 year old.

DrSpengler 01-26-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pferreira (Post 1655892)
I have a couple. Wasn't a big collector since I was buying Marvel's The Real Ghostbusters comic every week. Great days. I believe that UK Hero Turtles comic did in fact have stories that weren't Archie. Not sure how long that went on for.

If it helps, I made an index that notates which issues are Archie reprints and which are original Fleetway material.

Still working on filling out the articles for each issue, though, but the index notations should at least make seeing which issues have original content easier.

DevilSpooky 01-26-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingoji (Post 1655901)
It was intermittent throughout the whole run. The mag began as a fortnightly publication, which meant it ran the risk of overtaking the monthly Archie title from which it was reprinting material. So UK originated material was commissioned to allow the US book to remain ahead.

Sadly, the UK original material was almost entirely garbage. all the Turtles had the same personality, Mike had to karate chop everything because we weren't allowed to create content featuring nunchucks (despite reprinting US nunchucks being absolutely fine), the villain's plots were uninspired nonsense that made the cartoon look bleak as f**k in comparison and the dialogue was almost entirely comprised of the "adults trying to sound cool after watching Bill and Ted" variety that we've only recently managed to shed from perceptions of the franchise.

Maybe I was just spoiled by the UK Transformers comic though, which pioneered the same template of US reprint > UK original > US > UK material as TMNT, only the UK Material was saved for between US arcs rather than inserted randomly wherever, and was designed to actually maintain and add to the canon of the US material as one cohesive whole universe.
The TMNT UK book didn't manage either of those, sticking garbage 'alt-U' stories literally between chapters of a single US arc. Imagine one issue ending with the cliffhanger of a possessed Warrior Dragon about to decimate a nuclear plant, and the next issue being about hypnotic Pizza or some ****. It was infuriating, even to an 11 year old.

Some of the art was gorgeous though, specially April, had a huge crush on her, don't know who the artist was though, have to go back to my parent's and se if I can find them to bring them home with me.

oldmanwinters 01-26-2017 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky (Post 1655977)
Some of the art was gorgeous though, specially April, had a huge crush on her, don't know who the artist was though, have to go back to my parent's and se if I can find them to bring them home with me.

I agree on the artwork. I know the detailed colors probably weren't everyone's preference, but I liked the way the characters looked in them. The Turtles often looked inflatable or something, but April, Shredder, Rocksteady, and Bebop always looked pretty good. I think my favorite artist was probably Sandy James, who seemed to put a lot of work into April's facial expressions, especially.

Now I'll admit, if I was having to read the comic as it came out as my exclusive TMNT comic option, it would have been awful to get those stories in the midst of the more ambitious Archie story arcs, but as a retrospective, I like having the original content as a different look at what a Fred Wolf toon comic might have been... not great but interesting and entertaining at times. I'm more disappointed the original content didn't explore the TMNT rogues gallery or supporting cast beyond the characters that appeared in the pilot season. It seems to me that the Fleetway writers/artists were simply handed Mike Dooney's "Heroes in a Half Shell" arc and told to copy the style as best they could. Thus, we never got to see Baxter Stockman as a fly, Leatherhead, Rat King, the Channel Six crew, the Punk Frogs, etc. but we got lots of Foot Soldiers, Mousers, and Krang in the silver-colored android body.

DevilSpooky 01-27-2017 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1656022)
I agree on the artwork. I know the detailed colors probably weren't everyone's preference, but I liked the way the characters looked in them. The Turtles often looked inflatable or something, but April, Shredder, Rocksteady, and Bebop always looked pretty good. I think my favorite artist was probably Sandy James, who seemed to put a lot of work into April's facial expressions, especially.

Now I'll admit, if I was having to read the comic as it came out as my exclusive TMNT comic option, it would have been awful to get those stories in the midst of the more ambitious Archie story arcs, but as a retrospective, I like having the original content as a different look at what a Fred Wolf toon comic might have been... not great but interesting and entertaining at times. I'm more disappointed the original content didn't explore the TMNT rogues gallery or supporting cast beyond the characters that appeared in the pilot season. It seems to me that the Fleetway writers/artists were simply handed Mike Dooney's "Heroes in a Half Shell" arc and told to copy the style as best they could. Thus, we never got to see Baxter Stockman as a fly, Leatherhead, Rat King, the Channel Six crew, the Punk Frogs, etc. but we got lots of Foot Soldiers, Mousers, and Krang in the silver-colored android body.

From what I could gather the one I was thinking about was Mick Austin's April, I just love her face, but yeah, I do love Sandy's colors, they're vibrant and clean, and the art really pops up.

Someone should scan every single one of these issues and share with the rest of us (hey if the current magazine issues can be shared why can't these be as well right?), I have a couple of them from when I was a kid but they're translated into Portuguese and unfortunetly I'm missing a few issues.

oldmanwinters 01-27-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky (Post 1656039)
From what I could gather the one I was thinking about was Mick Austin's April, I just love her face, but yeah, I do love Sandy's colors, they're vibrant and clean, and the art really pops up.

Someone should scan every single one of these issues and share with the rest of us (hey if the current magazine issues can be shared why can't these be as well right?), I have a couple of them from when I was a kid but they're translated into Portuguese and unfortunetly I'm missing a few issues.

I like Mick Austin's work too! I think his turtles and Splinter look pretty good. And he does cool action scenes of characters in motion from what I remember.

I think discordiatookie started a Hero Turtles scans blog a few years back but maybe gave up?
http://heroturtleukcomic.blogspot.com/

I'm helping DrSpengler with scans for review. Maybe after I get a whole bunch of them done, we can figure out a good place for their historical appreciation.

DevilSpooky 01-27-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1656084)
I like Mick Austin's work too! I think his turtles and Splinter look pretty good. And he does cool action scenes of characters in motion from what I remember.

I think discordiatookie started a Hero Turtles scans blog a few years back but maybe gave up?
http://heroturtleukcomic.blogspot.com/

I'm helping DrSpengler with scans for review. Maybe after I get a whole bunch of them done, we can figure out a good place for their historical appreciation.

Yeah, I came across those before, unfortunetelly it appears he did give up, also sadly only one of the ones he posted was new for me, I already own the others. A shame IDW can't release these in a HC (I've become addicted to those thanks to them), would love to add that to my collection, heck, what I wouldn't give for HC collections of every TMNT comic ever released :teek:

oldmanwinters 01-27-2017 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky (Post 1656139)
Yeah, I came across those before, unfortunetelly it appears he did give up, also sadly only one of the ones he posted was new for me, I already own the others. A shame IDW can't release these in a HC (I've become addicted to those thanks to them), would love to add that to my collection, heck, what I wouldn't give for HC collections of every TMNT comic ever released :teek:

Ha, maybe I need to send an email to the editors and see if they've got any interest in some scans!

DevilSpooky 01-28-2017 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1656199)
Ha, maybe I need to send an email to the editors and see if they've got any interest in some scans!

But rights would prevent them from releasing those right? :tconfuse:

oldmanwinters 01-28-2017 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky (Post 1656221)
But rights would prevent them from releasing those right? :tconfuse:

It's a good question. Is the Fleetway company still around or did someone buy their backcatalog rights?

Enscripture 01-28-2017 07:57 AM

I can provide some scans too. I'd have to rescan for raws

DevilSpooky 01-28-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1656250)
It's a good question. Is the Fleetway company still around or did someone buy their backcatalog rights?

It appears that Rebellion Developments bought their library last year, don't know what that means for Turtles though.


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