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Ranking the Superman films
I figure that there are a fair number of Superman fans here, so that this would be a topic worth discussing.
How would you rank the films that feature the Man of Steel? For my list, I'm only talking about theatrical films (with the exception of Superman 2: The Richard Donner cut, which was intended to be theatrical anyway), although you may include non-theatrical films if you wish. Also, I never managed to sit through the entirety of Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Justice so that is not in my list, and have never watched Justice League either (although I hear that it barely counts as Superman film due to him only appearing for fifteen minutes or so). Anyways, here goes (from worst to best): 7. Superman 4: The Quest for Peace Spoiler:
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1. Man of Steel
2. Superman II 3. Superman 4. Superman Returns 5. Superman III 6. Superman IV III and IV are pretty close, though. They have different strengths and weaknesses. |
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Also, I'm surprised that 3 and 4 are close for you. Most fans I've seen, even those who hate 3, hate the 4th film on a completely different level. |
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Superman IV had some good ideas in it, and a little more grit than III. Nuclear Man makes it all kind of collectively stink, but there's stuff in III that does similarly. |
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Batman v Superman is mostly an advert, not a movie
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I once checked out the first 30 minutes on Netflix, but then stopped to resume at a later time (Netflix then later removed the film in my area before I could finish). When I do get the opportunity, I intend to check out the "Ultimate edition" extended cut, since most fans I've seen say it improves the film a whole lot. Either way, I am 99.9% sure that I would rank Batman Vs Superman above Superman 4 at the very least, and probably above Superman Returns too. |
I really shouldn't do this, because I'm almost certainly going to get yelled at. But I feel a sense of obligation, being such a devoted (and outspoken) fan.
Before I begin, I feel it's relevant to mention that 1. I'm a fan of the comic book version of the character first and foremost; therefore, my opinions on any adaptations are going to be weighted almost entirely by how faithful they are towards the character as has appeared in print, not in other film or animated adaptations, and 2. I own, and have read, repeatedly, a couple thousand Superman comics. This is not to brag; merely a statement of fact AND a qualifier, lest someone accuse me of "Not knowing/understanding the character", or some nonsense. Because as we've seen many times, my opinions don't mesh with those of "The Room", but rest assured, they are not based on ignorance. Far from it. I will use Spoiler tags for length, but this will still have to be multiple posts. Please bear with me. Thanks. ------------------------------------ 1. Man Of Steel Spoiler:
2. Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Spoiler:
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3. Superman Returns
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Also, FredWolfLeonardo: Eve Tessmacher is not in this film. Lex's female sidekick in this one was named Kitty Kowalski, played by the generally-great-in-everything Parker Posey. Just to clear that up. (Cont.) |
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In terms of our preferences, I'm honestly in a completely different boat, since I don't actually read comics period, so they don't affect my preferences for the Superman films at all. (so the stuff about Superman leaving earth for 5 years in Returns doesn't work for me, because I'm constantly comparing it to the Reeve films rather than the comics). That being said, I do agree with many of your points regarding Man of Steel. The action, score and casting are just about pitch perfect in every way possible, and it is pretty obvious that Snyder had a clear vision with the making of the film, that he delivered upon really well in the end. Even coming from the perspective of someone for whom the Reeve films are the gold standard, I still appreciate the film for focusing on a part of Clark's life that was only briefly touched upon in the first Donner film (where he is a teenager in high school, feeling left out among mankind and not fully knowing what his purpose is). The line in the first Donner film where Clark says he wants to tear the other boys at high school apart for picking on him really does remind me of the young Clark portrayed in Man of Steel. Anyways, I knew that Lex's mistress in Superman Returns wasn't actually called Eve Techsmacher in the film, but I was too lazy to search up her name so I called her that anyway (since she appears to be pretty much directly based on her, excuse any potential ignorance of the comics that I am showing here :lol: ). |
4. Superman: The Movie
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- Ah. Yeah, she was definitely meant to evoke Eve Tessmacher without actually re-using the same character. I guess they thought that would be one homage too many, or something. Your other insights are also noted and appreciated. With your patience, I'll continue. Whew! |
5. Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
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6. Superman II
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7. Superman III
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8. Superman IV: The Quest For Peace
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That about sums it up, discounting the numerous animated films of mixed quality. As well as "Justice League" which was much more of an ensemble picture as others have mentioned. But needless to say, I liked the Superman moments the best out of everything in that one. I could watch him beat up Steppenwolf for hours. That was fun.
I'd like to list a few Honorable Mentions that don't entirely count but are still worth mentioning. - Superman and the Mole Men Kind of a gray area, as it was created as the pilot for the "Adventures of Superman" TV series starring George Reeves, but was also shown in movie theaters beforehand, so it technically is the first Superman feature film. Pretty topical contemporary allegory for the "Red Scare" in its day. It's short and black and white and very "quaint" by modern standards, but it flies by at a brisk 58 minutes and tells a solid Superman story, even if it's not his biggest or grandest adventure by far. It's a fun science fiction romp, even if it plays like what it is: The pilot for a TV show. Despite its theatrical release, its "real" role as being made for TV kept me from ranking it on the list, as it really isn't fair to compare. Although I will say, I'd rather watch this one than Superman III or IV almost any day. They did a good job with what they had to work with and Reeves was always very good in the role. - Superman (1948 Movie Serial) and Atom Man vs. Superman (1950 Movie Serial) The original movie serials! Given theatrical release (albeit in 12-minute chunks), some people argue that they count as "movies", others not. Most people do distinguish between "feature films" and "movie serials", however, so again, it doesn't feel like they should be listed alongside the "proper" films. They're also about 4 hours long, each. Just a lot of things that don't make it feel right to compare them to regular films, but they're still worth mentioning. I own them, but I've only seen them once apiece, so far. But they're pretty good! You definitely have to lower expectations a bit, but they did a good job on the whole. Kirk Alyn plays Superman and Clark very much different from anyone who played him afterwards. but not in a bad way, just his own way. It was definitely a lot different from his successor, George Reeves; more of a laid back, "relaxed" portrayal, I guess. And Noel Neill, who'd go on to great fame playing Lois in the TV series, actually got her start in the role with these serials. "Atom Man" also had the first live-action Lex Luthor, and it's fine. The most jarring and infamous thing is, in the first one, they couldn't make Kirk Alyn "fly" with the budget they had, so instead whenever he takes off "Superman" morphs into a cartoon character and flies away, and the reverse when he lands. It's pretty funny, but the animation is actually pretty good, all things considered. Not the most elegant solution, but again, it was as good as they could do at the time and it's actually kind of clever. Definitely thinking outside the box, at least. These were kind of lost to history for a long time, so not many people have seen them. They had a few VHS releases that were hard to come by, and then they finally had a DVD Collection release in 2006, but it was very quiet. Not many people know about them but they're definitely worth watching for any Superman fan. FYI, there were also two Batman serials back then, if Batman's more your thing. Those are also mostly okay. ------------------- That's about all I got. I could say a lot more, but... eh. Again, these are my own preferences in regard to the films, and are based on my familiarity with the character first and foremost through his comic book interpretations. That's the lens through which I view all Superman media. And while I understand how that would differ from anyone who hasn't read the same things I have, I would still encourage those people to keep an open mind. What's "incorrect" to one person is usually just a bit of canon they aren't familiar with, but valid nonetheless. For me, personally, the Reeve films have sentimental value being what I grew up on, but have aged poorly in some cases and barely scrape the larger Superman mythos. Reeve himself and his performance is really the only appeal they still have. The Cavill films explore the entire mythos and skew closely to the comic books they're based on; thus, they hold far greater appeal to me, personally. I'm also not "worn out" on them, yet. ------------------- Y'know who did a great "Superman" but doesn't get any credit? Gerard Christopher on "The Adventures of Superboy" TV Series. It's called "Superboy", but he's clearly like 25 years old and they mostly called it that for legal and licensing reasons. It ran for four seasons but nobody remembers it. Check that show out, if you can. It's cheesy but it's a lot of fun. |
I've only ever finished Man of Steel. I tried to watch the first two, back in the day, and I appreciated their charm and innovation, but they didn't hold my attention.
Man of Steel is great though. What a fun ride. One of the few films, alongside the original Avengers, where I find the cgi-abundant fight scenes extremely captivating. Great music and visuals throughout. |
That fight scene of Superman punching Zod across the sky and then zooming in to hit him again has quickly become an Iconic Moment, as well. It's since showed up in the Injustice games and some of the animated films, almost shot-for-shot. So that's pretty neat.
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I've been meaning to get back to this thread for a while, it would be simply be unjust to leave Leo's long and thoughtful posts unanswered.
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He was pretty much a one-man Bebop and Rocksteady who needed to be there so Luthor could berate someone. Quote:
That, and the fact that Margot Kidder's Lois' demeanor completely changes upon seeing Superman. With Clark, she is as bold as a bulldog but when talking to Superman, she mumbles and is nervous, the contrast of which probably would've been fun for Superman to witness. And I am one of those peoples who actually likes "Can you read my mind" lol. That being said though, I thought Margot Kidder wasn't extra-ordinarily hot or anything, just passable (moreso in the first film and the Donner cut of the second film, her appearance seriously deteriorated as the films went on). Heck, Eve Techsmacher was way hotter, she even can claim the title of being the first woman to kiss Christopher Reeve's Superman. Quote:
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