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Andrew NDB 03-17-2020 03:20 PM

Star Trek: Rangers (7 of 9)
 
https://i.ibb.co/r6XFZ7V/227b19d3-2d...7-rt-final.jpg

Michael Chabon pitched it, apparently on his way out the door after showrunning the second half of season 1:

https://comicbook.com/startrek/amp/2...wzU3eJIjWC2qbE

I certainly wouldn't mind it, particularly over more seasons of STD, their Section 31 show, or Pike show they want to do but nobody actually wants (ANOTHER Kurtzman-driven prequel?)... but if we get it, would it really be too much to ask for one "regular" Star Trek show about exploration?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-17-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1839934)
https://i.ibb.co/r6XFZ7V/227b19d3-2d...7-rt-final.jpg

Michael Chabon pitched it, apparently on his way out the door after showrunning the second half of season 1:

https://comicbook.com/startrek/amp/2...wzU3eJIjWC2qbE

I certainly wouldn't mind it, particularly over more seasons of STD, their Section 31 show, or Pike show they want to do but nobody actually wants (ANOTHER Kurtzman-driven prequel?)... but if we get it, would it really be too much to ask for one "regular" Star Trek show about exploration?

Fvck yeah, I'm down. I'd name it Star Trek: Rangers, though.

Gimme Star Trek: Worf, too.

Roseangelo 03-17-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1839934)
but if we get it, would it really be too much to ask for one "regular" Star Trek show about exploration?

This is exactly why I watch The Orville.

Andrew NDB 03-17-2020 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1839937)
Fvck yeah, I'm down. I'd name it Star Trek: Rangers, though.

Oh yeah! Fixed. Of course they'd name it that.

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Gimme Star Trek: Worf, too.
Right now that seems like the show with the best chance to actually be a Star Trek show.

1. It'd not be a prequel.

2. It'd take place on a Federation starship. Probably whatever is the current Enterprise.

3. It has the highest likelihood to be about actual exploration and diplomacy.

Call it "Star Trek: Frontier" or something, though.

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 1839938)
This is exactly why I watch The Orville.

I respect the Orville for what it does, though I can't get into it. Maybe one day I'll give it a more fair shake. For now, it's good but it seems mostly like an homage to me. A good homage, but still an homage. It just makes me want the "real thing" more/curse the post-Abrams Trek more.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-17-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1839946)
Oh yeah! Fixed. Of course they'd name it that.



Right now that seems like the show with the best chance to actually be a Star Trek show.

1. It'd not be a prequel.

2. It'd take place on a Federation starship. Probably whatever is the current Enterprise.

3. It has the highest likelihood to be about actual exploration and diplomacy.

Call it "Star Trek: Frontier" or something, though.

I respect the Orville for what it does, though I can't get into it. Maybe one day I'll give it a more fair shake. For now, it's good but it seems mostly like an homage to me. A good homage, but still an homage. It just makes me want the "real thing" more/curse the post-Abrams Trek more.

I dunno... if they can just call a show Star Trek: Picard, I figure the simplest and most direct name serves Worf just as well.

The Orville has never really interested me. Telling Star Trek stories outside that universe just doesn't hook me. I want Klingons, Romulans, and Borg, not ... whatever the species are that Orville has.

It is cool that Kasidy Yates is a main character on that show, though. :tgrin:

Andrew NDB 03-17-2020 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1839947)
I dunno... if they can just call a show Star Trek: Picard

Yeah, but you just know it was because none of those morons could come up with a better title. It's the same people that calls a show "Discovery" that only ever did the opposite of that, and started a war in its first episode.

IMJ 03-17-2020 07:05 PM

We need one, great primary Star Trek show instead of these made for TV "movies".

And agreed completely on the Orville. How a Star Trek TNG parody is so much better than the real thing is amazing.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-17-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1839948)
Yeah, but you just know it was because none of those morons could come up with a better title. It's the same people that calls a show "Discovery" that only ever did the opposite of that, and started a war in its first episode.

Star Trek: Legacy
Star Trek: Federation
Star Trek: The Next Next Generation
Star Trek: Logan

Right off the top of my head. :trazz:

MsMarvelDuckie 03-18-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1839958)
We need one, great primary Star Trek show instead of these made for TV "movies".

And agreed completely on the Orville. How a Star Trek TNG parody is so much better than the real thing is amazing.


Agreed wholeheartedly. I miss not having it on Fox, because now I can't watch it. Orville was one of the best shows they've had in recent seasons, so to put it on streaming service only was a huge disappointment.

IMJ 03-18-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie (Post 1839993)
Agreed wholeheartedly. I miss not having it on Fox, because now I can't watch it. Orville was one of the best shows they've had in recent seasons, so to put it on streaming service only was a huge disappointment.

I actually wonder if they'll see a ratings decline because of this move. After that amazing space battle in season 2, I can't believe Fox wouldn't do anything to keep that IP in their stable. It had to be the best looking space battle to ever be on T.V. It was as good as the two minute First Contact space battle, but lasted much longer.

Jester 03-18-2020 11:39 AM

This could be interesting. It and the Pike series (as much as I loathe Discovery Anson Mount as Pike was a bright spot) I'd like to see.

Andrew NDB 03-18-2020 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 1840016)
This could be interesting. It and the Pike series (as much as I loathe Discovery Anson Mount as Pike was a bright spot) I'd like to see.

If it was someone other than Kurtzman behind the curtain, with a Pike series I would go from "I don't want to see it at all and jesus christ, enough with the prequels" to "it's not what I want and not what Star Trek needs, but I'll give it a shot."

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-18-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1840018)
If it was someone other than Kurtzman behind the curtain, with a Pike series I would go from "I don't want to see it at all and jesus christ, enough with the prequels" to "it's not what I want and not what Star Trek needs, but I'll give it a shot."

I hated Pike in the first episode, but he quickly grew on me. And I'd love to see Ethan Peck play a Spock not hobbled by always interacting with Burnham.

RR's take on Number One, surprisingly, bored me to tears. Was really hoping for more from her.

Star Trek: Pike is another needless prequel I don't care about, but I suppose I'd watch it.

I wonder how the viewing numbers compare between all of Discovery and Picard? I mean, Picard HAS to be a way bigger draw than Disco, right?

Andrew NDB 03-18-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1840030)
I wonder how the viewing numbers compare between all of Discovery and Picard? I mean, Picard HAS to be a way bigger draw than Disco, right?

I don't think they've said. And I'm sure that's true, even if STP looks a lot cheaper than STD.

Jester 03-18-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1840041)
I don't think they've said. And I'm sure that's true, even if STP looks a lot cheaper than STD.

I've heard that there was a decent drop off on Picard, because it's gotten progressively worse...but nothing official.

Andrew NDB 03-18-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 1840042)
I've heard that there was a decent drop off on Picard, because it's gotten progressively worse...but nothing official.

All the filming was done by the time we saw any STP episodes, so no drop in quality would have been the result of any belt-tightening due to ratings. We do know a couple of things, though:

#1. CBS was unhappy with the quality of the show under Kurtzman's solo showrunning for the first few episodes so they brought in Chabon.

#2. At some point in the season, Discovery ran out of money during its season 3 shoot so CBS had to strip money out of STP's first season budget to give it to STD.

Neither of these things are good.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-18-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1840046)
All the filming was done by the time we saw any STP episodes, so no drop in quality would have been the result of any belt-tightening due to ratings. We do know a couple of things, though:

#1. CBS was unhappy with the quality of the show under Kurtzman's solo showrunning for the first few episodes so they brought in Chabon.

#2. At some point in the season, Discovery ran out of money during its season 3 shoot so CBS had to strip money out of STP's first season budget to give it to STD.

Neither of these things are good.

Yeah, but people are more likely to give Picard a pass than Discovery. So Picard can get by on less budget.

I don't like the decision and I don't like Discovery, but I think it made good business sense.

Leo656 03-18-2020 11:25 PM

Man, every time I start thinking about becoming more than a super-casual Trek fan, I look around and it's like, "Yeah, nah, I don't need the heartburn." :ohwell:

Kinda feel like I should stick with my movies and Original Series box set. Everything else just seems too much like work. All I ever see are a bunch of people super disappointed every time anything new comes out.

Jeri Ryan is still hot, though.

Andrew NDB 03-19-2020 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1840117)
All I ever see are a bunch of people super disappointed every time anything new comes out.

It's been a very rough 11 years being a Star Trek fan. The only highlight was Stewart walking out on stage announcing Picard. And a handful of moments on the actual show, so far.

Leo656 03-19-2020 06:52 AM

I wonder what's worse: Getting a stream of new media that you hate, or finally getting something you're super-into and love a whole bunch, after waiting for what seemed like forever, and then being told you can't have more of it ever again because OTHER people don't like it enough?

I imagine they're both pretty goddamn frustrating. Some serious pop culture blue-balls going around these days for anyone who isn't a Marvel fanatic. "Hope THAT's your Favorite Thing Ever, cuz otherwise, well... Eh, here's some crap. But it's got a sticker on it from that thing you used to like! Isn't that sweet?"

Sigh. We live in "interesting times", just like the ancient Chinese curse/fortune cookie said.


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