Nickelodeon's Star Trek: Prodigy
 

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So...basically this...

So we're literally going to have five Star Trek shows going on at the same time with at least three different target audiences in mind? I know DS9 started when TNG was winding down and went onfor most of VOY's run but there was still only two shows going on at the same time and all three still had a shared target audience. This is just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks, can you really imagine an STD/LD crossover that also mixes in... Whatever the hell Nickelodeon is going to do?

That last part is something else I need to be clear on. What the hell is Prodigy actually about? All we found out here is that it'll be CGI but no substantial info on the concept. Is it a classic "to boldly go" show? A political drama like DS9? A comedy like LD? Will it take place in the Archer era? The Kirk era? The Picard era? Further in the future?

There's nothing to go on here.

It can't be any worse than that godawful Kirk and Morty bull$hit.

That's why I found myself wondering why the new show is 2D when I thought it was going to be CGI, a different show. Meh, not sure I care about either, I still haven't watched any Discovery.

Man, Star Trek desperately needs a "win." This won't be it.

Even Star Wars has "The Mandalorian." In the cesspool that is Pike (yes, it's a fine cast and the guy is a decent Pike but you KNOW they will just screw it up and further muck up the TOS era), STD season 3 (that will probably have Burnham become captain and valiantly restore the 32nd century Federation amidst LGBTQ rights and crying and screaming, explosions), the Section 31 show no one wants (and probably won't even happen, thankfully), literally the ONLY thing Star Trek fans can look forward to is the off chance not that Picard season 2 will be good, but maybe it won't be as awful as season 1. That's it.

Yeah, about the Discovery being stranded in the 32nd century. It sounds like it would have been decent concept... If horseshit characters nobody likes weren't the center of it. And from the looks of it, the Pike show or the Section 31 show looks like they'll be inheriting the plotlines from STD season 1-2 while the Discovery crew is off doing who gives a dogshit in the far future.

It's like "Sorry for the oxshit story and the catshit characters that were a part of it, we'll have you know that the crappy storyline will have new main characters while the crappy characters will have a new story arc to follow. Because branching garbage is how you fix it!".

I don't care what's happening to Discovery in the future or how Pike will deal with the baggage it left behind. The Rick and Morty style farce coming up is sadly more interesting than this, at least the absurdity there is intentional.

I admit, I want to be proven wrong about STD season 3. Maybe there's something there. Like it's an even older Dax there (we see Trill heavy in the trailer) and a more coherent story. There is absolutely no reason to be optimistic but I will give it a chance.

Part of why I never went more than toe-deep into Trek is being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of content. That feeling began for me in... like, 1993?

The franchise is ten times bigger now and most of what I've seen of what's been coming out in recent years looks awful. This is why although I have an appreciation for Trek, the movies and the Original Series is all I've ever been able to commit to. :ohwell: Part of me is interested in getting more into the "universe" but it seems frustrating and pointless.

I already own and have seen all the films and the Original Series, as well as the original animated series. Hypothetically speaking, if I was curious about getting a little deeper into the franchise but didn't want anymore gray hair, what should I pursue? What's the "Good Trek"? I assume "The Next Generation", and I like the few episodes I've seen with that and I even liked the films, mostly. I'm well aware even as a neophyte that the films do a poor job of representing TNG, I just like the cast and think they elevate the material in the films which would be weak if played by lesser actors.

But anything else? There's like 80 shows I've never seen. Probably not going to ever get into the novels or comics. So what would you say someone like me would think is "Good Trek"? What should I pursue and what's better for me to completely ignore? Seems like "Anything after the year 2000 is Ignore", but anything else you can give me?

Thing is everyone seems to be happy with Discovery and Picard's ratings. As far as Paramount, CBS and anyone who stands to make money out of the Star Trek brand is concerned these are wins.

Yes, they are clearly not for you (and I'm not a huge fan of them for very different reasons than you've stated) but clearly there is an audience for it.

Next Generation season 3 onwards. It's that simple.

Deep Space Nine conceptually means it's harder to simply jump in at any point or skip to the good stuff like you can with the other 90s - 2000s shows but if you can just watch the pilot and a handful of recommended episodes and then skip to season 4 on wards you'll enjoy it.

Voyager all you need to know is that they are stranded so far away from the Federation it will take them a lifetime to get back so you can start anywhere with that show. Most people think it picks up in quality in season 4 with the inclusion of Seven of Nine but you can also start at the beginning, it's a generally a blander show than the ones that preceded it which means (other than Threshold) never reaches the heights or lows of the others...you personally might want to skip on the episode the Rock guest stars.

I concur with the majority of what Galactus said, though I'd start a tad earlier on DS9, like season 2. And pretty much all of Voyager, because a lot of their early interactions with Delta Quadrant races set the stage for the later seasons' conflicts. And It's fun to watch the Doctor's character arc from the beginning.

As for TNG, I DO recommend the pilot Encounter at Farpoint, if only for Q's introduction, and how it sets the tone and premise for the entire series. A few eps from the first two seasons, at least, before diving headfirst into 3. Do a little of your own digging to find the best ones, as I can't recall offhand which wps were in what season anymore. BUT! If you watch ANY episodes at all, make sure The Inner Light is one of them. And All Good Things, DataLore, and Q Who. Hose are some of my personal faves, as well as pretty much any Q episode,but I admit to having a bit of a bias in his favor....

It was far more interesting before Seven joined

I probably should have mentioned that I'm not a Season-Skipper, and if I watch a show it's all of it. Just a personal choice.

Like for example, I'm aware most people hate early TNG, but eh. I'm willing to put up with it. Also - and I can't entirely explain this - but I do have an awkward crush on Tasha Yar so at least there's SOMEthing. :trazz:

But yeah I don't skip around. Never know, I might have more patience for some stuff than other people have. Plus, there's always character stuff to entertain me. I like the cast, a good cast can make me forgive bad writing. Sometimes.

Helps if there's hot chicks. :lol:

The man pays attention! :lol: I hate that guy! :lol:

I'll survive, though. "Get Smart" wasn't a bad movie. I lived. :trazz:

Even supposing that is true, and I have no way of knowing for sure... but even if so, my penis would find the show to be infinitely more interesting AFTER she shows up. And He's The Boss, nah'mean? :lol:


Anyways, thanks, those are kinda what I assumed people would recommend. Sounds like literally anything "modern" is just junk based on everything I've seen, although I don't hate the Abrams movies as much as some. I totally get what's wrong with them but they're not horrible action movies. I had a good time I just don't know when I'd ever watch 'em again.

Early TNG ain't exactly the pits, there's some choice stories in both seasons one and two, many of which have thankfully been acknowledged as such by the fanbase...also it was much darker back then too, an edge that the later seasons somewhat softened a bit.

Well, yeah, if you're watching the boob tube for just...well..that, then that'll have the appeal. Her predecessor Kes only became a hottie mid-way through season three...interestingly, Seven only becomes desirable to look at about a minute after Kes leaves!

I'd say go for the best first.

Deep Space Nine

Then The Next Generation and its movies, then Voyager (because 24th century), then circle back around to Enterprise.

There are definite decent episodes episodes in the first two TNG seasons but I don't think they are necessary to understanding the series. The premise is in the opening titles. I suppose it would be good to understand who Q and Lore are since they crop up later in the series as well as the Traveller.

DS9's first two seasons...I mean they are nowhere near as bad as TNG's (apart from Move Along Home) but it does have some good episodes and ones important to understanding the whole series.

I'd advocate watching The Emissary, Duet, In The Hands of the Prophets, The Homecoming, The Circle, The Siege...man you know what? Screw it just watch the whole thing. The first season may be a chore but as long as someone assures you'll get to the good stuff eventually you'll hold out.

A definite step up in quality yes, but I wouldn't go as far to say it's a complete reinvention of a series.

Hmm, I'd do a poll for favourite Trek series but think for most of you it would be Next Gen, if I did worst it might likely be Discovery (unless the disappointment in Picard runs deep enough for some of you to rate it after that?) So might not be worth it :)

Of the older shows, Deep Space 9 might be my least watched, Voyager not far behind. Watched a proportion of them though.

Oh. OH! Another important thing, please smarten me up on Chicks To Watch Out For.

For example, if I knew about Dr. Crusher I probably would'a watched TNG when it was fresh and now I feel like a f*ckin' idiot. I know everybody talks about Troi but Crusher's a smokin' little pistol, too. What the f*ck, man, I rely on you people to tell me these things in advance!

...My sensibilities may not be the same as some Trek fans, I feel. But rest assured this is an important factor in my process. :lol:

You animal, you. :tlol: Each show has at least one.

T'Pol for Enterprise;
Jadzia and Kira for DS9;
Seven and Torres for VOY;
Troi and Crusher for TNG

I was always a troi, pre fake boob, person.

Crusher to me only looked good in the first episode and last season. the rest a little on the weird side oddly.

as for DS9, Jadzia is the most perfect woman ;o).

No, it's not clear at all if they're happy with the ratings or not because they don't release them. There was a lot of scuttlebutt that STD season 3's finale was re-jiggered to be a series finale, so we'll see. And Picard season 2 was greenlit before season 1 even came out.

Torres, absolutely. But strangely only in her Klingon hair & makeup. I've seen her "normal" and it's... meh. Never had a thing for Seven. Jadzia, sure. T'Pol, absolutely.