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Andrew NDB 10-21-2021 11:42 PM

Alec Baldwin shoots and kills his own cinematographer
 
Jeeze...

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cinemat...-set-accident/

Wildcat 10-21-2021 11:57 PM

I saw this on tv.

It’s very sad and scary that the movie is also about an accidental death.

I did not know until I read it in the article.

Papenbrook 10-22-2021 12:11 AM

The director is also left in critical condition.

This is exactly why workplace safety should be a priority. Accidents and tragedies shouldn't occur on film sets.

I send my condolences to their loved ones.

Leo656 10-22-2021 12:15 AM

Jesus.

I confess, I don't know much about movie SFX. But one would think that in the age of CGI and "just do it with computers", prop guns that actually have stuff in them would've been one of the first things to go. You can add both the sound effects and "discharge" in post, can't you? Why do we need to still use "blanks"? This isn't the first time a prop gun malfunctioned and someone died, after all.

I figured after Brandon Lee died, all that stuff would've gone out the window forever. 30 years later, here we are again.

Stupid. Pointless. Needless. You got the stupid computer SFX, use 'em.

Wildcat 10-22-2021 12:28 AM

That’s exactly what I was going to say. Just use cgi. Nobody will or should care that the brief fire of a gunshot is cgi.

There’s no need for anything to actually be shot out.

I did not know about some of the other accidents until they were mentioned on the Blu Ray forum.

Leo656 10-22-2021 12:44 AM

I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness.

If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion.

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall).

Such a f*cking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all.

1987 10-22-2021 12:50 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/alecbaldw...25278123048960

Wildcat 10-22-2021 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1909176)
I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness.

If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion.

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the guy. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall).

Such a f*cking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all.

It was the girl that died. The guy is in the hospital.

Ya I feel bad for Alec Baldwin. It’s an awful thing to have in the back of your mind.

Just use guns that have nothing in them or use realistic fake guns.

Leo656 10-22-2021 01:36 AM

Sorry I misspoke, I read the article rather fast and I missed the part that the person who died was a woman. Whoops. That's on me. Post corrected.

Ninjinister 10-22-2021 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 1987 (Post 1909177)

OUCH! Dark

Andrew NDB 10-22-2021 03:10 AM

Yeah. All kinds of yeesh.

ZariusTwo 10-22-2021 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1909176)
And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

And that's the troubling thing. Baldwin's not going to have a whole lot of years left in him, and s*it like this so late in your career is kind of a 'final chapter' watermark moment.

Alec's fairytale should have been calling it a day after the Trump parodies (not trying to press any hot buttons on that, just an observation)

Anyway, IATSE have got to be feeling pretty damn stupid right now. All of this could have been avoided on Monday.

newfan 10-22-2021 05:22 AM

What a damn tragedy for all involved.

MsMarvelDuckie 10-22-2021 08:45 AM

YIKES! I have always liked the Baldwins, Alec in particular. This is so sad, and so eerily similar to what happened with Brandon Lee. Just the other way around this time. Terrible news....

triplexxx 10-22-2021 09:51 AM

A very tragic occurrence, in the film industry, just like in the sports industry, things/accidents like this can happen. My condolences to director of photography Halyna Hutchins, up in heaven now, as well as her family, to director Joel Souza, hoping he recovers, and to Alec Baldwin who will be having a hard time with this for the rest of his life, hopefully he can find a way to cope with it.

IMJ 10-22-2021 10:00 AM

Sounds similar to what happened to Brandon Lee and Michael Masse on The Crow.

Sumac 10-22-2021 10:22 AM

This is horrible.
I don't know how someone would be able to return to "normal state" after such experience.

Andrew NDB 10-22-2021 11:07 AM

For the record, I've been on many sets with real guns, and many sets with blanks being fired (once, right at my camera/me). There's many benefits to using blanks and not just pantomiming out gunshots.

ChosenOne 10-22-2021 12:15 PM

Everything I could say about this has already been said, probably better than I could say it to boot, but I have just one question: I get the accidental discharge scenario, which is tragic enough, but why did he fire the gun at two different people?

IndigoErth 10-22-2021 12:25 PM

Such a tragedy. How do you even live with that etched in your brain. Hope he gets the great counseling that he's probably going to need for the rest of his days. :cry:

Have to agree, with as far as the technology has come and CGI being able to be totally indistinguishable from the real thing in many cases, why are something as simple as prop guns still using blanks, or firing at all for that matter? Maybe now the industry will decide it needs to move past that, and if so, hopefully, it's just terribly tragic that, as usual, it took something like this (again) to make improvements.

If they want the acting and motion authentic, than have an actor train with an expert, get a feel for how a particular real gun fires, than let them do what they do best on set with a fake version that can't hurt anyone.


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