Israel–Palestine Conflict
 

Last Saturday, Palestinian militant groups launched a large-scale attack against Israel from the Gaza Strip. For first time since the October War of 1973, Israel has officially declared war.

Tim does have a valid point: why are we the world police? We can’t even take care of our own country. Our southern borders are wide open, our economy’s in shambles, we’re sterilizing our own children, and we’re biting each other’s heads off over political differences.

Because the vast majority of American Politicans have prostituted themselves to the Zionist project.

Because, US is the most influential country in the world, which uses this status to get whatever it wants, from people to resources to contracts.
As for its internal politics - drop in the bucket, for now, at least.

WOW.
In this life I hate quite a few things, but few make my blood boil like commies and nazis.
If I had any trust in your sanity, its gone. Go away nazi scum.

I get your emotional outburst in this case but he's not a Nazi, he's an Islamic fundamentalist. Not that that's any better, just clarifying.

In regards here, there’s nearly as many Jewish people in the US as actually in Israel, so on a similar vein to being gay, non Christian and the so forth, not supporting Israel is political suicide in the US. And before you say “but there’s plenty of Muslims in the US too”, yes there are, but from a multitude of countries around the world too. 70% of all Jewish people live in Israel or the US, so of course the major focus will be those two countries.

And this folks is why religion is the fourth biggest killer after cancer, heart attacks and malnutrition.

I personally do not think its the Jewish religion per se which is the problem. Rather, I hold that its certain members of the Jewish Race who use religion as a cover and justification for the Zionist project (all the while said project is actually Atheistic in nature).

Well this thread certainly wont end up being a **** show.

It shouldn't be...at least not in terms of invading countries and occupying them for dubious reasons to try and build them into democracies that are sympathetic to the US but that's how the US has always operated.

Israel is a slight variation on this; the US didn't actually have to invade but it's in their best interest to give them all kinds of aid because they are the only "stable democracy" in the middle east and the one by the far the most friendly to United States and their interests in the region. If it wasn't Israel it would be another Islamic country in it's place potentially hostile to America and the West in general. That's a belief shared broadly on both sides of the political spectrum.

On the right however they have additional reasons; mostly the belief that if Jewish people have their own their own country there is less in the US and the ones already there will slowly migrate there one day. The evangelicals also have religious reasons that the believe once the Israelites re-inherit their homeland it will bring about the end times...I'll never figure out why they want that as I'm pretty sure when the rapture comes they wont be floating up to Heaven.


This is silly. The US/Mexico border is certainly not wide open. Biden has kept almost all of Trump's border policies. If you were one of those people who thought the border was strongly protected under him you should feel the same way now because nothing has changed down there.

The US economy is actually doing okay right now. Better than almost any point when Trump was president so again if you are one of those people who raved about Trump's "booming economy" you should feel the same way now.

No one is sterilizing children.

Are Islamic fundamentalist pro Hamas, seen that a bunch or Palestinians as part of the Democratic Socialists of America in NYC celebrating the attack on Israel

https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/democr...-israelis/amp/

The world would be a better place if these anti-American, Islamic Sharia Law types would stay in their homeland. They are invading everywhere, Europe, Canada, and U.S. Now they even play Muslim prayers on loud speaker in New York Times Square. Has everyone forgotten about 9/11? These people with anti-American ideology such as Ilhan Omar infiltrating U.S. government. Very concerning. All thanks to Biden and his boss, Barack Hussein Obama, the 2 worst, most corrupt presidents in U.S. history.

Is this satire? It’s gotta be. Or maybe you don’t even live in U.S. and don’t know what you’re talking about.

This is the worst economy in U.S. history, gas is about to hit $7-$8 in CA, borders wide open since Biden took office, and now he’s talking about securing the border but the damage is already done, millions of un-vetted migrants have invaded the U.S. And yes they are messing with children thru vaccines and extreme lgbtq+ propaganda and indoctrination in schools. Biden and his handlers are destroying the U.S., 2 new wars have started, he’s funding terrorists, and China has been circling around Taiwan. Trump was right about everything.

The Palestinians want to stay in their homeland. They just don't want it occupied by Israel. That's kinda the whole point of the whole Israel/Palestine conflict.

I don't live in the US but that doesn't disqualify from knowing what goes on there.

The US economy has literally grown under Biden since Trump was office. Granted that would naturally happen given Trump had the worst brunt of Covid but it's in a better state now than it was throughout most of Trump's presidency. Unemployment rates are at historic lows and wage growth is fairly high. Consumer spending has also been on an upward trajectory. I've made this point before but since you bring it up there is little a president can do about gas prices (and you wouldn't like the things a president could do to intervene). That shouldn't be factored in to a conversation how any particular government is handling an economy.

If the US/Mexican border is wide open then that's on Trump because as I've said the border policies that you have now are almost identical to that you had under Trump. Funny how there's "invasions" only when Democrats are president.

Are you talking specifically about the Covid one or all vaccinations? Either way it's ********. Vaccinations are proven work to protect people. What specifically is being taught in schools that qualifies as "LGBTQ+ indoctrination"?

The videos coming out of this are really pretty incredible. Hamas going door to door, shooting anyone they find, visibly raping women, blood coming from their nether parts, stacking bodies, shooting children and old ladies and then laughing about it.

And AOC and the squad says that Israel should not do anything about it, just ceasefire? Israel should? Outrageous. This is literally the worst terror attack since 2001.

Trump had these terrorists in check, destroyed ISIS and executed 2 terrorist leaders. Deported terrorists and secured the borders. By eliminating Islamic terrorism, we were seeing less and less “islamaphobia”. Biden brought it back, by “accidentally” arming the Taliban with $86 billion in military weapons and whatever other shady business he’s doing with Iran, and opening up the borders for terrorists.

The mainstream leftist media said Trump would lead us into WWIII. Now that Biden is actually doing it, the media is silent. What say you now, nevertrumpers?

Not our monkeys, not our circus. Want to sell arms as long as it’s not our top of the line stuff to Israel if they want to pony up the cash? Fine. But not one dollar of taxpayers money sent to fight someone else’s war. Neither side is innocent and with 33 trillion dollars of debt we can’t be the world’s policeman.

I don’t care if you’re Jewish, Muslim or Christian. I’m sick of your ****. We’ve got our own problems. The sooner we get over our hang ups over nuclear power and develop our own domestic energy sources like natural gas, the better so we can leave these people to their own devices.

I think Israel has "got this." But it's going to be ugly because Hamas likes to put bases below hospitals and use human shields on the regular, so it looks bad on CNN and otherwise. Meanwhile Israel is literally bothering to deploy bombs that "knock" on rooftops to let everyone know to get out, and this is after warning that they're going to strike. You think Hamas is returning the favor?

Is there any meaningful difference? Both belong to the black hole.

You are insane. Get yourself a nice padded cell.

All this queer battlehelicopter nonsense and than depression can be cured by transition castration.

I don't think there is a difference. Anyhow, people celebrating terror attacks belong in the same ditch as terrorists.

But you see its Israel who is the bad guy and "provoked" them to do those horrible things. Because, apparently, when your mere existence provokes bunch of lunatics to start killing your people its your own damn fault.

I hate how left progressive trash approach this. While terrorists commit their horrible crimes, all they can yap is "how Israel provoked poor oppressed brown people to attack them". Also, the fact they approach this conflict from US angle about races is hilarious.

It is also ironic that for all their screams about "rise of nazis everywhere", progtrash are extremely aligned with nazis, when it comes to Jews. And, if you remember other core tenets of their ideology, then maybe there are not much of any difference at all.

Anyhow, given that HAMAS behaves like a bunch of feral lunatics, which they are, I don't think any rational person would have any sympathy to them and by proxy, Palestinians as a whole. No matter what progtrash gonna preach.

AOC is dumb as a brick and vile as a toxic slime.
To surprise of no-one.

It's baffling how Israel, one of the best armed militaries in the world and having one of the most renowned intelligence agencies, failed to see this attack coming while it was an open secret that Palestine was plotting for years.

Clearly Israel has grown lazy and incompetent.

I won‘t be getting into this too much but let me start by saying that of course this was a despicable terrorist attack and Israel has to respond, no question.

I just want to add that the Gaza conflict is much more complicated than some people here try to frame it and Israel‘s part in it is not simply „being attacked for existing“. Israel‘s been violating human rights for decades while at the same time constantly playing the anti-semitism card whenever they are criticized.

This and this. Both sides have fed into the conflict by their treatment of the other side for decades. It's almost as if the best bet would be to literally NO ONE has Jerusalem, it's emptied, cleared.

What are these violations?

So it's morally equivalent? You equate droves of Hamas people -- on video, it's readily available right now, go and see, hundreds of videos -- going through Israel killing in rapid fire fashion Jews and raping Jews until they bleed and then killing them and their children and grandmothers to whatever conditions may exist for 20% of the population in Israel, to laughter and chanting? That, from what I can measure, seems like a pretty OK life for them beyond them just fundamentally wanting no Jews in Israel. You're saying that's about the same? Jesus, man. This is a really sick place from which to stand. The curtain has come up. There is literally NO defense here whatsoever.

Your college professor is objectively WRONG.

There‘s a 100+ report by Amnesty international on Israel‘s oppression of Palestinians.
I don‘t think anyone was talking about equivalence or defending Hamas (except FWLeonardo). Hamas are despicable and need to be brought to justice. They chose the worst-possible way to respond to Israel‘s aggression.