How well/poorly has PD & OOTS aged?
 

These movies got a lot of hate when they were new, but it seems as people have aged people have warmed up to them.

The hulk proportions for the turtles actually worked for what the movie was going for, they felt like actual threats.
Say what you will about Megan Fox but she was not black and she did a good job, dare I say she's the second best live action April?
Eric Sacks is an interesting villain and is fully developped, sure he would've been a bad Shredder but that didn't make it to the movie so it's irrelevant.
Fight scenes are good, humor actually works. Vernon is amazing.
Shredder fight is cool as hell even if Shredder wasn't developped well.

OOTS:
We finally got Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady in live action and they worked!
The tone was a bit more kid friendly which I disliked but hey it's more like the cartoon I guess.
Baxter Stockman was actually cool even if underused. We also finally had a live action universe where we had all these mutants from the toyline and cartoon finally in live action thanks to Krang's ship. It would've been great to finally see them in live action if we had gotten a third movie. Imagine Slash as the main villain alongside a live actrion Metalhead.
Ok well maybe OOTS hasn't aged as well.

Judging these as two individual movies? Well, in that case.

The first one holds up better, it's not a good movie at all but it is the better of the two. Ironically, as much as I am against the idea of making the Shredder some American business tycoon, most of the objective problems comes from the reshoots made to turn Sachs into a different character and make Shredder more faithful. No matter how I think about it, there is basically no way the lost "Sachs is Shredder" cut of this movie isn't better, the logical conclusion of it just fixes so much of the narrative. And, still in comparison to the second one, it is at the very least still focused on one conflict that can be followed so I can't really fault it for that. That said... It sucks. It's a generic action flick of the 2010's, the way the turtles look is gross, most of the actors give bad performances and the story about using the turtles' blood to start a plague racket is just so dumb. It's not a movie worth going back to.

The second one on the other hand, just no, OK? If the first one was dumb, the second one is so dumb I can't even find a word for it. "Animal ancestry"? Shredder just trusting the alien thing? Bebop and Rocksteady's dick joke? The Turtles trying to become human? Casey being milquetoast? I can't think of any way this movie could have been good.

I hate OotS, it's one of the few movies I have felt genuine anger over sitting through. It's not the worst movie I have ever seen, but it is the only one I can think of that I genuinely get pissed off at its existence, it's really that bad. If a magic genie showed up and offered me the option between peace on earth or the immediate destruction of every copy of OotS, it would be a difficult choice to make.

Remember when the first trailer for OOTS came out? Even haters of 2014 were saying this could be good, casuals were psyched at FW villains being in it, and it just seemed like a fun movie. I was hyped. They messed up big time. Clearly Run DMC and the video editors did all the heavy lifting in that trailer.

Based on what?

I've only seen the first one and I say this from the bottom of my heart: It's one of the most horrible excuses for a film that I have ever experienced.

They are still as bad as a clogged toilet at Micheal bays house where he used the source material as toilet paper

This.

It was sh*t back then and it's most likely sh*t now as well. I'm not gonna rewatch that crap to confirm that.

No clue either, if it wasn't the fact that OotS is the last live-action TMNT released in the past 10 years, I think I would have forgotten them. When that reboot happens and/or we get plenty of other live-action TMNT movies, then I suspect the PD movies may get pushed out of my memory, only thinking of them when others bring them up or needing to remember them for whatever reason.

Those noses/nostrils on the Turtles traumatized me back in 2014 that it's over a decade later and I've yet to fully recover. Besides that the Turtles look like 4 Hulks, I have no idea how they thought designing ninja's was to make them huge and muscle bound to the point where they could barely move.

Also Megan Fox April was the worst April until the two black April's existed. Her performance as April was just entirely bland and forgettable.

To be fair about the nostril thing though, I assume that most live-action depictions of the Turtles will have such detail going forward. A lot of us may look at the rubber suits and puppet masks from the 90's and think that looks fine but I suspect a lot of people look at them and think they don't really sell the illusion, in part because they don't have details like nostrils.

The normies on r/TMNT are generally neutral if not semi-positive towards them.

I actually missed all of the 2014 drama from the forums. I was so disappointed by the trailer I just refused to talk about it and stopped posting here. I still went to go see the movie in theaters and was surprised by how much I liked it despite the obvious things going against it.

I remember I posted my positive review in a thread and that's it, didn't really read all the drama. Then I got a DM and they were inviting me to a secret subforum or subgroup or whatever the forums allow you to do that was invite only that was a "safe haven" for the movie and were we could talk about it without being thrown hate, the sub section was basically just abunch of posts complaining about the regular users here :lol:

Yeah that **** was WILD. I basically never engaged even though I was a known member with a high post count. Nobody could get a word in edgewise. Total chaos lol.

The main guy I remember was that samxsteal weirdo or whatever. Etsy and Mew were having a field day in there too haha

:lol:

Honestly that’s one of the lead bothersome things that goes on over there. Cringe central.

You're also forgetting about the network of PLANTS that came here in 2014 and 2016.

https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sh...postcount=5547

I still don't have to erase 2016 from my memory because I still have yet to see it. And I never will.

omg lmfao look at that guys post history, he's just a fan, he was right in calling you that you went full schizo hahaha

That was just one example snatched from the hat. But yes, do look at his post history. 99.9% of his posts are strictly commenting on the lead-ups to the 2014 movie, the 2016 movie... and most recently the 2023 movie. With little nuggets like these:

https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sh...&postcount=328

That's not how marketing budgets work, there's no continuity. Think about what you're saying:
-Paramount made an account (or accounts) in 2013 to promote the new movie
-Each account is clearly run by different people with their own personalities since this guy clearly has a posting style it can't be multiple people
-He gets paid to post on the forums, but he also doesn't have a 9-5 job and posts at different times of the day including late night, and weekends.
-He posts mostly positive stuff but clearly not everything is positive and will post non official sources for some of his posts and dwells into other topics from time to time including non corporate approve opinions in other threads
-Paramount keeps paying this guy to post when the 2014 movie comes out, the 2016 movie comes out, and keeps him in the pay roll all these years so he can post again in the technodrome forums when Mutant Mayhem comes out in 2023. They didn't misplace the password, and still had the same guy after all these years to post.
-all this effort, cost and money to post on a very small niche forum. Instead of the highly visible and important social media sites like FB, Instagram, twitter, reddit, discord were they can actually influence, and were people do deep research to see which users can be bots (and they often find them), but no they clearly spend all their money to post in the technodrome forums.

It's just Occam's Razor...he's just some autistic fanboy who enjoys TMNT movies even if they're bad. But I mean if you really still think he was a plant then I don't know what to tell you, clearly Paramount has an amazing costly system, that I'm unsure why they didn't use it elsewhere to actually help the movies not bomb at the box office.

It wouldn't be that at all. It would be someone at Paramount paid some money to one of these "social media influencing" third party companies who specialize in this stuff. They're typically armed with both real people and bot farms that reach out across multiple platforms with new or pre-existing accounts to spread FAKE positivity about a movie or project (and generally interact with the other accounts to create like a network of antibodies against anyone being the least bit negative). In fact, I believe Paramount was already caught doing that before even the 2014 movie on something else. This is pretty damn far from a science fiction, in 2025 or even 10, 15 years ago.

So yeah, the general idea would be -- in theory -- Paramount activated the third party PLANT company leading up to the 2014 and then reactivated the same company before the 2016 movie, and the 2023 movie. So there's no reason it wouldn't be the same FAKE accounts being sock-puppeted by the same people within said PLANT company.

The 2nd one is only better in that you finally get to see rubbery CGi Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang in an Android body.