Dem dere Next Mutation eps' - Page 2

Psycho Da Turtle · 03-21-2003, 01:47 PM

So many a thread have been written, down playing the quality of the show. Break it down. For what it was, it was a good show. Costumes were good for what they were needed for, mostly acting, less action, like the first cartoon, the fighting was a little bland, only because it wasnt used widely. The bad guys, were corny and funny, just like the first cartoon. The only reason I think you bash it is because its in the same feild as Power Rangers, not to mention that you had seen all of that great action in the first two movies, I'll exclude the third for now. The show had a lower budget to be spread over much more time. They did what they could with the money. The show also did quite well rating wise, often beating out Power Rangers themselves. Although the real reason is unknown why it was canceled this could have affected it. Another thing affecting cancelation may have as well been that Fox wasnt getting as much money as they wanted. They own rights I believe to Power Rangers and most other shows on the station, meaning more money to them, With the Next Mutation, they had to pay Mirage. But otherwise, its a great show. The figures as well were awsome! The storylines were cooky and fun. This universe opened up for a lot of new things for our turtle friends. Also I think character wise with the turtles and splinter, they did at least as good a job as the first cartoon. Leo led, Raph rebelled, Don was smart. but for reason, and Mike was well, cartoon Mike. But please, try not to come down too hard on the show. If you liked it, good, if not, leave it alone. Sure its not as good as the original comic, or the new show, but its part of the history no matter how much we relent it.

ZigFB · 03-21-2003, 01:48 PM

Er, by 'here' in that last post, I meant in my area...

**Kali** · 03-21-2003, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barkworm

I didn't mean to offend you Kali, sorry!

Don't worry, I wasn't talking directly to you, just making a general statement. If you don't like it, that's fine with me, it's the people who go way overboard on bashing it that upset me.

I never said the show was good, just that I liked it. I think it could have been WAY better if executed properly, but we had Saban making the show, so there went that chance.

Face it, we've been spoiled. The first movie, the early seasons of the cartoon, they raised the expectations so high that it's no wonder the "later" stuff got such low reviews, even though it was some pretty good stuff in its own right.

I'm doing a fan fiction series that rewrites the Next Mutation storyline, like Marvel did with its "ultimate" series'. Hopefully it'll be much better, cause even I couldn't make it any worse!

ZigFB · 03-23-2003, 05:52 AM

Hey, one thing is that at least it wasn't Coming Out of Their Shells... I mean, hey, I'm one of the few people that actually can sit through it. Though, mainly I sit there to watch everyone squirming. One guy tried to drown himself in the toilet! Well, actually he just started flushing it to drown out the sound and kept getting closer so that the sound would be louder and sorta lost his balance and fell in... Either way, I found it amusing. Heh, I still have the soundtrack...

*Duke* · 03-23-2003, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZigFB

Fourth, Leo was not Cam Clarke (every show loses points on this, it's a thing with me.

)

I quit responding to threads about the next mutation so i not sure what made me read this one but i did. So all i want to say is i agree. Every show does lose points if their is no Cam Clarke. The greatest voice actor of all time.

lethrhd · 03-23-2003, 10:14 PM

This ol' gatorman be a' readin all ya'lls posts and't got me ta' wonderin'... why would Mirage agree to it? Sumware' I heard dat dem turtle boys even durin' tha' red sky seasons still kilt' those Rangers in ratings. So why cancel tha' cartoon in tha first place?

Gator-Hater-Translator:
"ahem" What my reptillian coleague is trying to say is, he read through all of the posts found on this topic and began to ponder... why would Mirage (the company that owns the TMNT if I'm not mistaken) agree to the Next Mutation concept in the first place? He seems to recall hearing someone say that even during the red sky episodes the original cartoon still won rating's wise over the Power Rangers, so what was the reason for the cancellation.

But dat's what I dun' said, I aint needen nobody ta' translate, foe dis here gatorman can do tha' talkin' foe himself!

G.H.T.:
What my reptilian comrade is trying to say, is "That is what I meant in the first place. I do not require a translator. I can talk for myself."

...

ZigFB · 03-24-2003, 06:56 PM

Many concepts seem good on paper. Believe me on this. And it DOES seem like an interesting concept if you haven't seen or heard anything about Next Mutation. It just failed with me, and it seems like it failed with several others. But it still found it's place in the hearts of many fans, and those fans usually defend it fiercly. Fox tends to be rather unstable with it's shows, and will cancel something at the drop of a hat if it can. I also attribute it's demise to lack of Cam Clarke as Leo, and I know people are tired of hearing me say that, but he was, I felt, the perfect voice for Leo, and will continue to be in my book. And quite a few people, usually ex-TMNT fans, agree with me, though almost all of them are Robotech fans

Ninja Tiptup · 03-27-2003, 12:15 AM

ABC Family should air Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation and Masked Rider, but no.... Disney would never do something that would work.

Psycho Da Turtle · 03-27-2003, 01:41 PM

I must say i firmly agree. They play the old Power Rangers episodes, and playin the turtles would be a nice way for them to compromise on something the wouldnt have to work hard to obtain. Though I love the show, I'm sure if they didnt already have the rights to air it, theyd be easily gotten.

ZigFB · 03-27-2003, 10:06 PM

It's not that it's hard to get the rights to. It's more of, now that the new show is out and TMNT is regaining a bit of popularity, it might be that the rights holders (i.e. Saban and Laird) would want more money for the product, therefore not ensuring mass profits for airing the reruns. However, should the new show prove to be the hit that we all hope it will be... Well... Maybe FoxBox will bring it back and put it in the time slot Ultraman Tiga was in...

*Roseangelo* · 03-28-2003, 01:33 AM

I haven't read this entire thread (just the last page), so forgive me if I'm saying something that's been said. What I fear most about Next Mutation is that Peter Laird dislikes it so much that he'll never allow it to resurface in any format, be it reruns, DVDs, or whatever else.

I did recently find (and order) this:
http://www.getvcds.com/vcd/powerspace2.shtml

Woohoo!

03-21-2003, 01:47 PM	#21
Psycho Da Turtle Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 203 Posts: 153	So many a thread have been written, down playing the quality of the show. Break it down. For what it was, it was a good show. Costumes were good for what they were needed for, mostly acting, less action, like the first cartoon, the fighting was a little bland, only because it wasnt used widely. The bad guys, were corny and funny, just like the first cartoon. The only reason I think you bash it is because its in the same feild as Power Rangers, not to mention that you had seen all of that great action in the first two movies, I'll exclude the third for now. The show had a lower budget to be spread over much more time. They did what they could with the money. The show also did quite well rating wise, often beating out Power Rangers themselves. Although the real reason is unknown why it was canceled this could have affected it. Another thing affecting cancelation may have as well been that Fox wasnt getting as much money as they wanted. They own rights I believe to Power Rangers and most other shows on the station, meaning more money to them, With the Next Mutation, they had to pay Mirage. But otherwise, its a great show. The figures as well were awsome! The storylines were cooky and fun. This universe opened up for a lot of new things for our turtle friends. Also I think character wise with the turtles and splinter, they did at least as good a job as the first cartoon. Leo led, Raph rebelled, Don was smart. but for reason, and Mike was well, cartoon Mike. But please, try not to come down too hard on the show. If you liked it, good, if not, leave it alone. Sure its not as good as the original comic, or the new show, but its part of the history no matter how much we relent it. __________________ Pizza Guy: Hey, this is a ten, the tabs 13! Mikey: Your three minutes late dude! Pizza Guy: Aw come on, I couldn't find the place! Mikey:Wise man say, forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza!

03-21-2003, 01:48 PM	#22
ZigFB Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: A trash strewn alley, back against the wall, facing the toughest street gang around... Posts: 212	Er, by 'here' in that last post, I meant in my area... __________________ Donatello: You're a claustrophobic. Casey Jones: You wanna fist in the mouth? I never even looked at another guy before.

03-23-2003, 05:52 AM	#24
ZigFB Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: A trash strewn alley, back against the wall, facing the toughest street gang around... Posts: 212	Hey, one thing is that at least it wasn't Coming Out of Their Shells... I mean, hey, I'm one of the few people that actually can sit through it. Though, mainly I sit there to watch everyone squirming. One guy tried to drown himself in the toilet! Well, actually he just started flushing it to drown out the sound and kept getting closer so that the sound would be louder and sorta lost his balance and fell in... Either way, I found it amusing. Heh, I still have the soundtrack... __________________ Donatello: You're a claustrophobic. Casey Jones: You wanna fist in the mouth? I never even looked at another guy before.

03-23-2003, 10:14 PM	#26
lethrhd Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 358	This ol' gatorman be a' readin all ya'lls posts and't got me ta' wonderin'... why would Mirage agree to it? Sumware' I heard dat dem turtle boys even durin' tha' red sky seasons still kilt' those Rangers in ratings. So why cancel tha' cartoon in tha first place? Gator-Hater-Translator: "ahem" What my reptillian coleague is trying to say is, he read through all of the posts found on this topic and began to ponder... why would Mirage (the company that owns the TMNT if I'm not mistaken) agree to the Next Mutation concept in the first place? He seems to recall hearing someone say that even during the red sky episodes the original cartoon still won rating's wise over the Power Rangers, so what was the reason for the cancellation. But dat's what I dun' said, I aint needen nobody ta' translate, foe dis here gatorman can do tha' talkin' foe himself! G.H.T.: What my reptilian comrade is trying to say, is "That is what I meant in the first place. I do not require a translator. I can talk for myself." ... __________________ My Gods Wear Multi-Colored Bandannas

03-24-2003, 06:56 PM	#27
ZigFB Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: A trash strewn alley, back against the wall, facing the toughest street gang around... Posts: 212	Many concepts seem good on paper. Believe me on this. And it DOES seem like an interesting concept if you haven't seen or heard anything about Next Mutation. It just failed with me, and it seems like it failed with several others. But it still found it's place in the hearts of many fans, and those fans usually defend it fiercly. Fox tends to be rather unstable with it's shows, and will cancel something at the drop of a hat if it can. I also attribute it's demise to lack of Cam Clarke as Leo, and I know people are tired of hearing me say that, but he was, I felt, the perfect voice for Leo, and will continue to be in my book. And quite a few people, usually ex-TMNT fans, agree with me, though almost all of them are Robotech fans __________________ Donatello: You're a claustrophobic. Casey Jones: You wanna fist in the mouth? I never even looked at another guy before.

03-27-2003, 12:15 AM	#28
Ninja Tiptup Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 1,451	ABC Family should air Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation and Masked Rider, but no.... Disney would never do something that would work. __________________ It's weird to be normal, and it's normal to be weird.

03-27-2003, 01:41 PM	#29
Psycho Da Turtle Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 203 Posts: 153	I must say i firmly agree. They play the old Power Rangers episodes, and playin the turtles would be a nice way for them to compromise on something the wouldnt have to work hard to obtain. Though I love the show, I'm sure if they didnt already have the rights to air it, theyd be easily gotten. __________________ Pizza Guy: Hey, this is a ten, the tabs 13! Mikey: Your three minutes late dude! Pizza Guy: Aw come on, I couldn't find the place! Mikey:Wise man say, forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza!

03-27-2003, 10:06 PM	#30
ZigFB Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: A trash strewn alley, back against the wall, facing the toughest street gang around... Posts: 212	It's not that it's hard to get the rights to. It's more of, now that the new show is out and TMNT is regaining a bit of popularity, it might be that the rights holders (i.e. Saban and Laird) would want more money for the product, therefore not ensuring mass profits for airing the reruns. However, should the new show prove to be the hit that we all hope it will be... Well... Maybe FoxBox will bring it back and put it in the time slot Ultraman Tiga was in... __________________ Donatello: You're a claustrophobic. Casey Jones: You wanna fist in the mouth? I never even looked at another guy before.

03-28-2003, 01:33 AM	#31
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,119	I haven't read this entire thread (just the last page), so forgive me if I'm saying something that's been said. What I fear most about Next Mutation is that Peter Laird dislikes it so much that he'll never allow it to resurface in any format, be it reruns, DVDs, or whatever else. I did recently find (and order) this: http://www.getvcds.com/vcd/powerspace2.shtml Woohoo! __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com