Killing and Violence In TMNT

U2WaTCHer · 03-27-2003, 11:53 AM

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away!

Caliosidhe · 03-27-2003, 11:55 AM

*poke* Go read the original Mirage series ^^

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 12:10 PM

Yes, the original TMNT was not made for children. So if if you are intrested in mature TMNT you should get into it.

Shellfox · 03-27-2003, 01:10 PM

If your asking for violence on TV forget it, while fox might have given us some death in the past with X-Men (its been a while so I can't rember how the deaths were done, I know at least the deaths with the Leagacy virus). But as for death on the current show, it won't happen, its the censors, people have gotten to the point where nothing really cool can be shown on a network show. If it were cable then the possibility of death would increase and as much as death would increase the show, as long as Fox has control it won't happen. Hell be glad Mick kept his weapon and isn't down to using a yo-yo or some thing

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 01:12 PM

The new show has death, but it all happens off screen. It's true that thats all we are going to get for Saturday morning show, but it's still good. You have to remember that Mirage does not have very graphical deaths either.

Shellfox · 03-27-2003, 01:41 PM

Funny from what I've seen of the new show there dosn't appear to be any death, the one possible was the purple drangon leader in the first ep, and we've seen him, or at least his chacter design sence (I think hes in the preveiw of the up coming ep).

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 02:00 PM

I never watch the previews, can someone else confirm that the guy isn't dead? Anyway, we were let to believe it for 7 episodes. Also there were the foot tech who went down the drain, and the 2 weirdlooking fot scientists.

The most clear death scene will be shown in episode 10, but it will propably happen off screen or in shadows.

**Kali** · 03-27-2003, 02:09 PM

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

CookSux · 03-27-2003, 02:10 PM

You know... I never really thought the Mirage series was really "adult" oriented. Just because there's 'killing' in it doesn't really make it more adult IMO. I think it was geared towards teens actually.

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

We came to that conclusion in of these threads due the fact that Not one of the told Shredder that they encountered the TMNT in sewress. But that is one of the un clear ones, Still it's odd that if it would have finished Casey, why not the foot. How about the preview? Is the PD gang leader really shown in it?

About Mirage, it is made for young adults. Comics like Spider-man are made for teens. They hace death, utwriting is pretty superficial. In Mirage the plots and character interaction is much more mature.

*Duke* · 03-27-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

I never watch the previews, can someone else confirm that the guy isn't dead? Anyway, we were let to believe it for 7 episodes. Also there were the foot tech who went down the drain, and the 2 weirdlooking fot scientists.

The most clear death scene will be shown in episode 10, but it will propably happen off screen or in shadows.

Well i just watched the preview and that purple dragon guy isn't in it.

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 02:30 PM

So we have atleast one clear death thus far. About Baxter being dragged away, once someone here said that Baxter will turn into a fly in the series. I had to look word Baxter in the spoilers to prove him wrong

Spoiler:

Thats why I doubt he is really dead this time either. So everything else but the PD leader is arguable, but we all know what happens in the origin story. It's a diffrent thing how they are going to animate it.

**Barkworm** · 03-27-2003, 02:42 PM

What about Casey's dad? In the flashback we just saw Hun coming out of the burning shop and saying: "Tell your dad to pay next time or else..." then the flashback ended and Casey was crying. So Jones senior could be dead.

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 02:45 PM

Yeah, it's suggested. But it isn't there even off screen. Because hun said "next time" one has to believe he survived the fire.

Shellfox · 03-27-2003, 03:16 PM

I think the above scene is more in appliance to a protection racet, I think the basis was more the Purple dragons distroyed the store as a warning to caseys dad to pay up not kill him. The the threat impilys death, but nothing says it happened, his dad may have paid up. I think the cring was more in responce to seeing his famliys busness burning the the possiblities of what may happen to him when they were done, and when the scene was over the tears were of rage

Sparvid · 03-27-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

*watches episode again*

Let's see here... When we see the Tech Ninjas through the googles, there appears to be 8 of them. After Casey is hanged over the water, there is only 5 left surrounding the Turtles. Then the one who held Casey drops into the whirlpool. Then we see a shot showing the five Tech Ninjas left standing plus two unconscious ones, and the five falls into the whirlpool. But now there is three unconscious Ninjas!

And in the final scene six of them shows up for Saki. So, I guess they could've survived the whirlpool... (Darn, why couldn't they have just three at the end, so we could have presumed the whirlpool-ones dead...

)

U2WaTCHer · 03-27-2003, 05:04 PM

thou if u remember when casey was down in the last ep it was sorta cool how they had there weapens up in a gang way to be all certain hes dead or say kill him or what ever u know what i mean made u want to think uh oh we of cource know he would survive but u know what I mean

**Karpo_007** · 03-27-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shellfox

I think the above scene is more in appliance to a protection racet, I think the basis was more the Purple dragons distroyed the store as a warning to caseys dad to pay up not kill him. The the threat impilys death, but nothing says it happened, his dad may have paid up. I think the cring was more in responce to seeing his famliys busness burning the the possiblities of what may happen to him when they were done, and when the scene was over the tears were of rage

Casey had tears in his eyes when he finished the story, he looked sad. They were no tears of rage. But like I said earlier, it's just a hint, not even off screen one like the PD leader.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 03-27-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by U2WaTCHer

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away!

I am going to speak my piece, and then leave this thread be.

Why is it that so many people around here just have to have killing and slaughtering in order for a cartoon show to be cool? How many times have I heard people say, "Well, those fights better be realistic!" or "They better fight with their weapons!" or "I want to see heads rolling because I want to see some realistic fights with their weapons!"

I, for one, am very content with there being no killing in the Ninja Turtles cartoon (I'm referring to the old one). This is why I don't read the comics, or prefer the movies. Too much violence.

In a time of war, when soldiers and innocent people alike are dying, to start a thread such as this one is stupid.

That's right. It's stupid. Go chew on that for a while.

"Yo, bro! Peace, dude!" - Michaelangelo, from "Attack of Big MACC"

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 03-27-2003, 06:44 PM

One of the reasons I don't like threads like this is because I have friends who are fighting in this stupid war. They got dragged out of college to go engage in some hissy fit they have nothing to do with.

I may never see those people again. I may never get to laugh or cry with them. They're out there fighting to protect our freedom.

And then I come on the boards and read stuff like, "Shucky darn dag nabbit, I sure wish there was more violence in the Ninja Turtles!"

God, I hate that. God, I hate war. God, I need to get off here and relax.

Peace.

03-27-2003, 11:53 AM	#1
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	Killing and Violence In TMNT did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away! __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

03-27-2003, 11:55 AM	#2
Caliosidhe Thug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 95	poke Go read the original Mirage series ^^ __________________ I'm being punished, aren't I?

03-27-2003, 02:10 PM	#9
CookSux Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sparta Posts: 928	You know... I never really thought the Mirage series was really "adult" oriented. Just because there's 'killing' in it doesn't really make it more adult IMO. I think it was geared towards teens actually. __________________ http://http://cooksux.deviantart.com/ http://www.xanga.com/cooksux http://www.myspace.com/cooksux

03-27-2003, 02:30 PM	#12
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	So we have atleast one clear death thus far. About Baxter being dragged away, once someone here said that Baxter will turn into a fly in the series. I had to look word Baxter in the spoilers to prove him wrong Spoiler: It said that he will be in Return to New york arc in Transformed form. Thats why I doubt he is really dead this time either. So everything else but the PD leader is arguable, but we all know what happens in the origin story. It's a diffrent thing how they are going to animate it.

03-27-2003, 02:42 PM	#13
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,755	What about Casey's dad? In the flashback we just saw Hun coming out of the burning shop and saying: "Tell your dad to pay next time or else..." then the flashback ended and Casey was crying. So Jones senior could be dead. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-27-2003, 12:10 PM	#3
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yes, the original TMNT was not made for children. So if if you are intrested in mature TMNT you should get into it.

03-27-2003, 01:10 PM	#4
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	If your asking for violence on TV forget it, while fox might have given us some death in the past with X-Men (its been a while so I can't rember how the deaths were done, I know at least the deaths with the Leagacy virus). But as for death on the current show, it won't happen, its the censors, people have gotten to the point where nothing really cool can be shown on a network show. If it were cable then the possibility of death would increase and as much as death would increase the show, as long as Fox has control it won't happen. Hell be glad Mick kept his weapon and isn't down to using a yo-yo or some thing

03-27-2003, 01:12 PM	#5
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	The new show has death, but it all happens off screen. It's true that thats all we are going to get for Saturday morning show, but it's still good. You have to remember that Mirage does not have very graphical deaths either.

03-27-2003, 01:41 PM	#6
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Funny from what I've seen of the new show there dosn't appear to be any death, the one possible was the purple drangon leader in the first ep, and we've seen him, or at least his chacter design sence (I think hes in the preveiw of the up coming ep).

03-27-2003, 02:00 PM	#7
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I never watch the previews, can someone else confirm that the guy isn't dead? Anyway, we were let to believe it for 7 episodes. Also there were the foot tech who went down the drain, and the 2 weirdlooking fot scientists. The most clear death scene will be shown in episode 10, but it will propably happen off screen or in shadows.

03-27-2003, 02:09 PM	#8
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

03-27-2003, 02:45 PM	#14
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, it's suggested. But it isn't there even off screen. Because hun said "next time" one has to believe he survived the fire.

03-27-2003, 03:16 PM	#15
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I think the above scene is more in appliance to a protection racet, I think the basis was more the Purple dragons distroyed the store as a warning to caseys dad to pay up not kill him. The the threat impilys death, but nothing says it happened, his dad may have paid up. I think the cring was more in responce to seeing his famliys busness burning the the possiblities of what may happen to him when they were done, and when the scene was over the tears were of rage

03-27-2003, 05:04 PM	#17
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	thou if u remember when casey was down in the last ep it was sorta cool how they had there weapens up in a gang way to be all certain hes dead or say kill him or what ever u know what i mean made u want to think uh oh we of cource know he would survive but u know what I mean __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

03-27-2003, 06:44 PM	#20
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	One of the reasons I don't like threads like this is because I have friends who are fighting in this stupid war. They got dragged out of college to go engage in some hissy fit they have nothing to do with. I may never see those people again. I may never get to laugh or cry with them. They're out there fighting to protect our freedom. And then I come on the boards and read stuff like, "Shucky darn dag nabbit, I sure wish there was more violence in the Ninja Turtles!" God, I hate that. God, I hate war. God, I need to get off here and relax. Peace.