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*Anarchistguy* · 03-29-2003, 11:40 PM

For those of you wondering why Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Technodrome aren't in the new show, check out Blas from the past no. 73
right here:

http://www.planetracers.com/blast/blast73.html

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 01:30 AM

This will cause just more "we want Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady back"-threads. I kinda wish Peter hadn't said that...

beaker · 03-30-2003, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barkworm

This will cause just more "we want Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady back"-threads. I kinda wish Peter hadn't said that...

Actually, quite the opposite...I dont see how there can be any "PLeAzE bRinG baCK RoCKSteADY kRANG and bEBOP!!!111" threads when straight from the man himself:
"The reason they are not in the new show has NOTHING to do with rights issues, but rather the fact that I did not want to use them."

And there you have it.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 04:18 AM

Well I hope this clears it for everyone. I never would have guessed that they do own the rights. Well it's good to now that issue is just about the fact that they wouldn't fit in the show in milion years.

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaker

Actually, quite the opposite...I dont see how there can be any "PLeAzE bRinG baCK RoCKSteADY kRANG and bEBOP!!!111" threads when straight from the man himself:

True, but as long as everyone thought, Laird did not own the rights it seemed to be impossible. Now people might think that they should start some petitions or something.
I also don't hope that there won't be any flame-war discussions, why Laird dont't like Bebop and Rocksteady etc.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:11 AM

They were part of the old cartoon, but never part of the true TMNT wich thenew cartoon and the new movie are based on. Im more than happy that the reason is so simple, not just a copyright issue.

But it is weird, if Mirage own the rights to the cartoon characters, why can't they put pictures of the cartoon on the official site?

Mondo_Gecko · 03-30-2003, 11:18 AM

You know i kinda firgured all along it had nothing to do with any copyright rights or whatever but plain and simple Laird just didn't want to use them.

That makes me very sad knowing that right now if he wanted to he could use them for whatever and he ain't budging. But he's got his own ideas for the TMNT and i may not like them i do have to respect that.

You know i bet if it was up to him we won't even get the reest of the seasons of the old show on dvd. I really hope it's not up to him.

But on the plus whoever came up with the Garbageman episode BRAVO that looks like the best episode ever. and one of the coolest villians.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:23 AM

You are wrong, he has alwyas said he likes the first season. In an interview he said he would like to see it on DVD.

The world is ready now for serious and more mature TMNT, in a saturday morning cartoon form. And as far as I know artisan has not cancelled the old TMNT dvd either.

Mondo_Gecko · 03-30-2003, 11:27 AM

Yeah thats what i said Karpo he likes the first season. Not the other ones. And i'm worried that i woulden't get to see the rest on dvd.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:38 AM

Well the Artisan owns the rights to the show, not Mirage. But of course Laird wouldn't object it, it would make more money to Mirage if it sells.

It seems to me that you have understood things quite wrong. Laird doesn't hate the old cartoon, it made Mirage some big bucks back in the day. But he created TMNT. It was a action packed comic book with deep plo and good writing. Of course he likes it more, as do most of the older fans.

Now if there is a possibilty to do a Cartoon near the way TMNT originally was, of course it will be done that way. The old TMNT characters like Krang and company will be comingback only if the DVD gets released. That much can be said for certain.

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 11:41 AM

Anyway, I don't think that more than two or three seasons will be released on DVD. They won't be that successful.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:46 AM

The 3 first seasons of the old cartoon were good, of course the first season being best of all. I think it would make sense to release thos on DVD. But nothing new has come from artisan, they just said while a go that there ill be a TMNT dvd in 2003.

Shellfox · 03-30-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Well I hope this clears it for everyone. I never would have guessed that they do own the rights. Well it's good to now that issue is just about the fact that they wouldn't fit in the show in milion years.

Thats not 100% true, they could fit in to the new show rather well, they just need to be massively retooled, to better fit into the new world. I know they probly will never show up (99.9% sure, the future is not written yet) but they could fit im with the proper work

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 12:04 PM

Im sure there will be non human characters, but not many animal mutant characters. Only way they could fit in would be as human members of the PD, but as it has been said, they will never be in it.

*Anarchistguy* · 03-30-2003, 12:33 PM

I think the only animal mutant suitable would be Leatherhead. But not the old toon Leatherhead. The Mirage one adopted by the Utroms.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 12:40 PM

I think it was said that he will be there in the second season...

Sparvid · 03-30-2003, 01:30 PM

Reading that Tales of TMNT issue, I find Leatherhead to be a really interesting character! I haven't read #45 yet, but I don't like the idea of having him turn on the Turtles...

Mondo_Gecko · 03-30-2003, 02:13 PM

Oh God If they just have Leatherhead as the only mutant thats going to suck so bad.

I don't want non human characters, instead of mutants. Cuz no way a robot is better then a mutant.

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 02:22 PM

What was so cool about every character being a mutant? I mean it was cool as long as there were only a few mutants but they quicly overdid that.
Wasn't there even an ep where Shredder brought a canister of mutagen into the zoo?

Mondo_Gecko · 03-30-2003, 02:29 PM

It just is. I can't explain it. It just was so cool when the mutagen could turn a person into an animal or an animal into a mutant. That concept will never seem tired to me.

So what there was more then 5 mutants. Is that so bad? It still felt special to me watching someone or an animal get mutated. Those were my favourite episodes.

03-29-2003, 11:40 PM	#1
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	Rumor Control For those of you wondering why Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Technodrome aren't in the new show, check out Blas from the past no. 73 right here: http://www.planetracers.com/blast/blast73.html __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

03-30-2003, 01:30 AM	#2
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,753	This will cause just more "we want Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady back"-threads. I kinda wish Peter hadn't said that... __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-30-2003, 11:41 AM	#11
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,753	Anyway, I don't think that more than two or three seasons will be released on DVD. They won't be that successful. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-30-2003, 12:33 PM	#15
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	I think the only animal mutant suitable would be Leatherhead. But not the old toon Leatherhead. The Mirage one adopted by the Utroms. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

03-30-2003, 02:22 PM	#19
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,753	What was so cool about every character being a mutant? I mean it was cool as long as there were only a few mutants but they quicly overdid that. Wasn't there even an ep where Shredder brought a canister of mutagen into the zoo? __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-30-2003, 04:18 AM	#4
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well I hope this clears it for everyone. I never would have guessed that they do own the rights. Well it's good to now that issue is just about the fact that they wouldn't fit in the show in milion years.

03-30-2003, 11:11 AM	#6
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	They were part of the old cartoon, but never part of the true TMNT wich thenew cartoon and the new movie are based on. Im more than happy that the reason is so simple, not just a copyright issue. But it is weird, if Mirage own the rights to the cartoon characters, why can't they put pictures of the cartoon on the official site?

03-30-2003, 11:18 AM	#7
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	You know i kinda firgured all along it had nothing to do with any copyright rights or whatever but plain and simple Laird just didn't want to use them. That makes me very sad knowing that right now if he wanted to he could use them for whatever and he ain't budging. But he's got his own ideas for the TMNT and i may not like them i do have to respect that. You know i bet if it was up to him we won't even get the reest of the seasons of the old show on dvd. I really hope it's not up to him. But on the plus whoever came up with the Garbageman episode BRAVO that looks like the best episode ever. and one of the coolest villians.

03-30-2003, 11:23 AM	#8
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	You are wrong, he has alwyas said he likes the first season. In an interview he said he would like to see it on DVD. The world is ready now for serious and more mature TMNT, in a saturday morning cartoon form. And as far as I know artisan has not cancelled the old TMNT dvd either.

03-30-2003, 11:27 AM	#9
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Yeah thats what i said Karpo he likes the first season. Not the other ones. And i'm worried that i woulden't get to see the rest on dvd.

03-30-2003, 11:38 AM	#10
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well the Artisan owns the rights to the show, not Mirage. But of course Laird wouldn't object it, it would make more money to Mirage if it sells. It seems to me that you have understood things quite wrong. Laird doesn't hate the old cartoon, it made Mirage some big bucks back in the day. But he created TMNT. It was a action packed comic book with deep plo and good writing. Of course he likes it more, as do most of the older fans. Now if there is a possibilty to do a Cartoon near the way TMNT originally was, of course it will be done that way. The old TMNT characters like Krang and company will be comingback only if the DVD gets released. That much can be said for certain.

03-30-2003, 11:46 AM	#12
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	The 3 first seasons of the old cartoon were good, of course the first season being best of all. I think it would make sense to release thos on DVD. But nothing new has come from artisan, they just said while a go that there ill be a TMNT dvd in 2003.

03-30-2003, 12:04 PM	#14
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Im sure there will be non human characters, but not many animal mutant characters. Only way they could fit in would be as human members of the PD, but as it has been said, they will never be in it.

03-30-2003, 12:40 PM	#16
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I think it was said that he will be there in the second season...

03-30-2003, 01:30 PM	#17
Sparvid Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Östersund, Sweden Posts: 860	Reading that Tales of TMNT issue, I find Leatherhead to be a really interesting character! I haven't read #45 yet, but I don't like the idea of having him turn on the Turtles...

03-30-2003, 02:13 PM	#18
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Oh God If they just have Leatherhead as the only mutant thats going to suck so bad. I don't want non human characters, instead of mutants. Cuz no way a robot is better then a mutant.

03-30-2003, 02:29 PM	#20
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	It just is. I can't explain it. It just was so cool when the mutagen could turn a person into an animal or an animal into a mutant. That concept will never seem tired to me. So what there was more then 5 mutants. Is that so bad? It still felt special to me watching someone or an animal get mutated. Those were my favourite episodes.