Why are Bebop and Rocksteady so popular?

[pingclang]

I love Bebop and Rocksteady and it has nothing to do with nostalgia, it's just they're really cool characters. They had awesome designs, I mean look at them, they had some amazing voice talents behind them and yeah they were too goofy but some of their comedy was actually on an adult level too. I like Dogpound and Fishface but a dog and a fish compared to a frickin rhino and boar? Come on!

[plasticturtle]

My guess is a mixture of nostalgia and the fact that they were pretty funny characters. Their goofiness just tended to make them endearing.

[Andrew NDB]

Because we were like 5 when they came out and a big, dumb talking rhino and warthog with 80s punker gear seemed cool at the time.

[Tazi]

I think still OT had the largest fan-base out of all the three animated series, people who watched it are now grown-ups, and even if they don't care much about TMNT anymore, they still remember Rocksteady and Bebop from it, and when they meet new tmnt media (games, movies) they wonder why B&R are not in there like Shredder.
Otherwise, they were pretty nice character designs for their time, and they worked nicely as comic reliefs. They were memorable, and I'm sure a lot fans (including myself) wanna see them again in some form, which is not yet happened...
Well, IDW will bring them soon, and it seems like, they'll keep some of their goofyness and dumbness, but they won't be incompetent idiots, like in OT, and that's fine for me.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Tazi

Well, IDW will bring them soon, and it seems like, they'll keep some of their goofyness and dumbness, but they won't be incompetent idiots, like in OT, and that's fine for me.

Which is a little puzzling to me. As almost every poster in this thread seems to agree, about all B&R had going for them was how dumb and goofy they were... so if the idea in IDW is to bring them back for the nostalgiacs, but to change them to be serious and credible threats... isn't that fundamentally making them into different characters? And if you're fundamentally making them into different characters... what's the point, really?

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by pingclang

I love Bebop and Rocksteady and it has nothing to do with nostalgia, it's just they're really cool characters. They had awesome designs, I mean look at them, they had some amazing voice talents behind them and yeah they were too goofy but some of their comedy was actually on an adult level too. I like Dogpound and Fishface but a dog and a fish compared to a frickin rhino and boar? Come on!

I noticed a bit of adult orientated jokes in the Season3 DVD set I bought.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which is a little puzzling to me. As almost every poster in this thread seems to agree, about all B&R had going for them was how dumb and goofy they were... so if the idea in IDW is to bring them back for the nostalgiacs, but to change them to be serious and credible threats... isn't that fundamentally making them into different characters? And if you're fundamentally making them into different characters... what's the point, really?

Very true points. But only time will tell now, until then everyone is speculating. I just hope the feel like the same characters but that they are coherent enough to prove to be a road block or force to reckon with.

[Tazi]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which is a little puzzling to me. As almost every poster in this thread seems to agree, about all B&R had going for them was how dumb and goofy they were... so if the idea in IDW is to bring them back for the nostalgiacs, but to change them to be serious and credible threats... isn't that fundamentally making them into different characters? And if you're fundamentally making them into different characters... what's the point, really?

Well, the point is to satisfy the curiosity of how they would work, if they were written as more serious/cartoonish characters. Or at least for me.
Of course they would be a different R&B like that, but I don't think that can be a problem, if they don't go too far. From what we know of their IDW version so far is that they're mutated fun lovin thugs, who are not really intelligent, but they're street smart at least, and they're still a threat to the turtles. That's really not that far from OT's Season 1, but we will see.

But I kinda got your point about nostalgia.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

I guess the comparison can be made towards Mikey,
who has undergone drastic personality changes over all his incarnations. In the cartoons alone he has gone from the party surfer guy of the 80s to a totally un-serious, prank loving kid-at-heart sorta thing.

I dont honestly know how to describe him in the new show...
Anyway, same character but totally different.

[pingclang]

[QUOTE=FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza;1144349]I noticed a bit of adult orientated jokes in the Season3 DVD set I bought.

Seems like there were a lot throughout the series but I can't remember any of them off-hand. The show was like that, an adult joke would pop up outta nowhere.

[CyberCubed]

Bebop made a joke about how he never washes his hands because they don't work when they're wet.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda figure they can be dumb and be funny and what-have-you... but when it comes time to fight... let them actually... you know... fight.

I still think Dogpound and Fishface are awesome though, especially in the sense that they hate each other and are basically forced to work together.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by pingclang

Seems like there were a lot throughout the series but I can't remember any of them off-hand. The show was like that, an adult joke would pop up outta nowhere.

Ya, I'm the same way. I would need to watch all 4 discs again. They were just thrown around and I was caught totally off guard. It's great to laugh at this old show. Some of these shows I used to watch younger just hasn't aged well at all. OT shows it's age but doesn't apologize for it and therefor it's still fun

[pingclang]

Originally Posted by FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza

Ya, I'm the same way. I would need to watch all 4 discs again. They were just thrown around and I was caught totally off guard. It's great to laugh at this old show. Some of these shows I used to watch younger just hasn't aged well at all. OT shows it's age but doesn't apologize for it and therefor it's still fun

Yeah, it really does hold up well.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which is a little puzzling to me. As almost every poster in this thread seems to agree, about all B&R had going for them was how dumb and goofy they were... so if the idea in IDW is to bring them back for the nostalgiacs, but to change them to be serious and credible threats... isn't that fundamentally making them into different characters? And if you're fundamentally making them into different characters... what's the point, really?

I wouldn't say their goofiness is all they have going for them, and for many people it might not even be what they like best about them. For me, I just think they look cool. And I'd wager it's the same for a lot of other people, just based on the kind of fanart they usually get.

[ShellCast]

Yeah I never really got those guys. Just their appearance was so cool, to me it never really matched their goofiness. I know they started as goofy thugs, but they have such a hardcore look. Even as a kid I remember thinking 'sure they're dumb, but by all accounts they should still be a viable threat' which of course they never were

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which is a little puzzling to me. As almost every poster in this thread seems to agree, about all B&R had going for them was how dumb and goofy they were... so if the idea in IDW is to bring them back for the nostalgiacs, but to change them to be serious and credible threats... isn't that fundamentally making them into different characters? And if you're fundamentally making them into different characters... what's the point, really?

That same question could be asked of "why bother to remake TMNT in the first place?". Or remaking anything, which often results in changing aspects of a character. Marketability and the $$$ that come with the name recognition. Familiar elements will draw people in, hopefully. There are many comic readers who remember the cartoon show but probably haven't touched a Mirage comic. Seeing Bebop and Rocksteady on a cover may draw in some more buys.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Primarily nostalgia, but the characters have grown in popularity with the fanbase at large, it seems, that they are going to trickle over into other media- much like the Jimmy Olsen and Perry white characters in Superman did- both originated in an adaptation (the radio show) but became so well know they bled over into other media (such as the comics- the source material)

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by ShellCast

Yeah I never really got those guys. Just their appearance was so cool, to me it never really matched their goofiness. I know they started as goofy thugs, but they have such a hardcore look. Even as a kid I remember thinking 'sure they're dumb, but by all accounts they should still be a viable threat' which of course they never were

Not that Shredder or Krang were much better

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza

Not that Shredder or Krang were much better

Next Mutation Villains In a nutshell.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Whatever the reason for thier enduring popularity, I'm just glad they are back, and that the ban on using them and so many other haracters has finally fallen by the wayside.