disablities: social, learning ect.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Powder

But father*, you don't want to read this series of TMNT books illustrated by the infamous Patrick "Spaz" Spaziante?



Who said anything about racism? Sheesh, some people...

*Son is a very condescending thing to say, hypocrite.

Lol.

Nobody said anything about racism (other than my allusions above), my point is that if someone who was disabled did work on a franchise, then saying that you're not prejudiced against the disabled because this person is your colleague is no defence, in the same manner as having black friends does not preclude one from being a racist. Do I have to hold your hand here in explaining this to you? It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

I called you 'son' because everyone else in here is being condescending to me (including yourself by telling me to 'calm down') so I was replying in kind. I'd say that I'm surprised that you lack the perceptiveness to have seen that but I'm not. I bet you were pleased with yourself in believing you had exposed my apparent 'hypocrisy' though. Bless.

Then again, you are the guy who attacked a typo earlier when someone made a very valid point about your attitude (because you had no relevant reply), so that tells us all we need to know about you. I mean who in this day and age picks up on typos in an argument? I have you grouped with a few other individuals as the cliquey type. You and certain others think that as long-time posters you own this forum - you drive new users away as a result (I've seen it). That's something I really dislike about internet fora. There's nothing more embarrassing than someone who thinks that their high post count gives their opinions more worth.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Jester

So...because "spaz" is offensive in the UK it should be removed from an American produced movie that might have a market over there? The world doesn't revolve around the UK any more than the US.

Heck, I'm surprised it didn't just get the axe along with Mikey's nunchucks.

More straw man **** - so now I believe the world revolves around the UK? 'Spaz' is an offensive term in many countries. For many who speak English as a second language, they know exactly what the term means and it will be offensive in their own country. The fact of the matter is that the USA might not find the word offensive, but it (and it's equivalents in foreign languages) is a pejorative term in many places. The USA is probably in the minority on this one - but then that's nothing new is it?

As for the little jibe about the chucks, that sort of reinforces my point. Apparently showing nunchucks in the UK was deemed bannable at the time, but a word insulting the disabled is fine. I wish it had been censored in our version, even though I never watch that cut any more anyway.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Davetello

ur so dumb and think ur better than everybody but ur not!!!1 the internet makes me mad!!

My posts were jokes, guy. You're the one over-analyzing the way we type and taking it as a personal attack. You're projecting and making assumptions as well as being passive aggressive. Questioning my intelligence isn't charming either. Never have I implied that my high post count somehow makes me a better person or fan than anyone else. Some of the coolest people here have barely made their mark while others with post counts higher than I recycle the same 20 words over and over ("this is cool" "awesome!!!" "i want one" "lol funny XD" etc.). As for calling out typos during an argument, it's relevant when a person calls another stupid yet can't even use proper grammar or spell correctly. That's just one example.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Powder

My posts were jokes, guy. You're the one over-analyzing the way we type and taking it as a personal attack. You're projecting and making assumptions as well as being passive aggressive. Questioning my intelligence isn't charming either. Never have I implied that my high post count somehow makes me a better person or fan than anyone else. Some of the coolest people here have barely made their mark while others with post counts higher than I recycle the same 20 words over and over ("this is cool" "awesome!!!" "i want one" "lol funny XD" etc.). As for calling out typos during an argument, it's relevant when a person calls another stupid yet can't even use proper grammar or spell correctly. That's just one example.

First of all, there's no need to alter my quote. It's not an accurate reflection of what I was saying. On the other hand, you've went up slightly in my estimation (not that you care) after your more serious reply.

I tend to analyse language so that's no real surprise. I don't feel I'm projecting at all, although I will admit that I am being passive-aggressive. However, perhaps that's because of the fact that Jester (who I like as a poster) has been argumentative for the sake of it here (as well as misrepresenting my views). I don't even consider my original post in here abrasive. The fact that that insufferable cretin 'The Stryker' unfairly targeted me earlier for no reason hasn't helped my current view of the place either (although at least he had the sense to run along when I put him in his place).

If I recall correctly, that guy called you an idiot because you attacked him first. Therefore, he was well within his rights (he had a point I feel as what you said about him was unfair). He was provoked. Provoking someone into abusing you and then turning it back on them because of a typo (probably made because he was flustered when replying) is pretty low.

Some of you really don't have any room to call others aggressive, really. I can sense the anger in some of your posts. Why can't people just be polite and respectful on here? I see silly posts from time to time but, unlike you, I don't feel the need to belittle someone for them. Some people are fragile and don't need that rubbish. If I wanted to I could go around here being an absolute **** to people (believe me, in the past I've did it far better than you ever have), but I won't do that as I have more respect for people's feelings than that (unless I'm attacked first). It's called growing up.

Saying that some of your posts are 'just jokes' is a very big cop-out. Just admit to your own poor behaviour at times.

One more thing - some of the smartest people of all time couldn't spell correctly. That's something else you need to realise. Besides, it was obvious to everyone that his was a typo.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Davetello

First of all, there's no need to alter my quote. It's not an accurate reflection of what I was saying. On the other hand, you've went up slightly in my estimation (not that you care) after your more serious reply.

I tend to analyse language so that's no real surprise. I don't feel I'm projecting at all, although I will admit that I am being passive-aggressive. However, perhaps that's because of the fact that Jester (who I like as a poster) has been argumentative for the sake of it here (as well as misrepresenting my views). I don't even consider my original post in here abrasive. The fact that that insufferable cretin 'The Stryker' unfairly targeted me earlier for no reason hasn't helped my current view of the place either (although at least he had the sense to run along when I put him in his place).

If I recall correctly, that guy called you an idiot because you attacked him first. Therefore, he was well within his rights (he had a point I feel as what you said about him was unfair). He was provoked. Provoking someone into abusing you and then turning it back on them because of a typo (probably made because he was flustered when replying) is pretty low.

Some of you really don't have any room to call others aggressive, really. I can sense the anger in some of your posts. Why can't people just be polite and respectful on here? I see silly posts from time to time but, unlike you, I don't feel the need to belittle someone for them. Some people are fragile and don't need that rubbish. If I wanted to I could go around here being an absolute cvnt to people (believe me, in the past I've did it far better than you ever have), but I won't do that as I have more respect for people's feeling than that (unless I'm attacked first). It's called growing up.

Saying that some of your posts are 'just jokes' is a very big cop-out. Just admit to your own poor behaviour at times.

One more thing - some of the smartest people of all time couldn't spell correctly. That's something else you need to realise. Besides, it was obvious to everyone that his was a typo.

My god. Stop taking everything so seriously. My first three posts in this thread were simple jokes that you got frustrated by and let fly over your head. That's not a cop out. Maybe my sense of humor isn't for you, but it is what it is. As a person who knows Jester fairly well, I can assure you he is far from argumentative for the sake of it. You yourself said he made valid points, obviously he's putting thought into his statements and feels as strongly about it as you do. Does the fact he feels differently somehow mean he should just give up and submit to your opinion? Obviously not. You seem to have some sort of victim complex. All this talk of being targeted and getting offended by simple things. You wanna talk about growing up, you're a 31 year old man arguing about the way people carry themselves on a forum based out of a childrens cartoon. Plus, you've been trying to belittle me and be condescending this whole time. That comment about how you made Stryker "run along" and "put him in his place" doesn't exactly seem mature to me either. You really have no place to tell anyone to grow up. & the C word is a foul one. Chill with that.

If you don't like me, put me on ignore and spare yourself the aggravation. If you don't like a bunch of people here, then leave.

[Jester]

Wait...he used "See you next Tuesaday"? That was one of the examples I was gonna use in my connotations point.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Powder

My god. Stop taking everything so seriously. My first three posts in this thread were simple jokes that you got frustrated by and let fly over your head. That's not a cop out. Maybe my sense of humor isn't for you, but it is what it is. As a person who knows Jester fairly well, I can assure you he is far from argumentative for the sake of it. You yourself said he made valid points, obviously he's putting thought into his statements and feels as strongly about it as you do. Does the fact he feels differently somehow mean he should just give up and submit to your opinion? Obviously not. You seem to have some sort of victim complex. All this talk of being targeted and getting offended by simple things. You wanna talk about growing up, you're a 31 year old man arguing about the way people carry themselves on a forum based out of a childrens cartoon. Plus, you've been trying to belittle me and be condescending this whole time. That comment about how you made Stryker "run along" and "put him in his place" doesn't exactly seem mature to me either. You really have no place to tell anyone to grow up. & the C word is a foul one. Chill with that.

If you don't like me, put me on ignore and spare yourself the aggravation. If you don't like a bunch of people here, then leave.

I know Jester isn't argumentative, which is why I was taken aback by it. I'm more interested in the fact that he keeps claiming that I'm equating offensive words with slavery, when anyone reading my posts can tell that isn't the case. Besides, the 1990 film was just an example (relevant given what this forum is) - my general point is that I don't like anyone using the term 'spaz' or 'mong' as an insult.

I don't see how that makes me immature. I've seen people chased away from this site before because of the likes of 'The Stryker'. If you think I'm the immature one in this scenario then that says far more about you than it does me. I've also seen you use this argument before..."this is a kids' cartoon forum!". First of all, it makes no difference whether it's a tellytubbies forum or a Scarface forum - the fact of the matter is that people shouldn't be allowed to act like dickheads without reprisal. Second, the forum isn't just for the cartoons - many of us are interested in the more serious comics as well. The place may be named 'thetechnodrome' but it's not exclusively about 1987.

I spoke like that about 'The Stryker' because he's particularly irritating and he deserves my condemnation. He gives a lot of abuse out and seems to get away with it, so I'm sure he can handle some back. That's why I speak in such aggressive terms there. Considering he attacked me for absolutely no reason, it's quite obvious who's immature in that situation.

Why would I put you on ignore? Some of your posts are alright, and even if they weren't, I rarely if ever put anyone on ignore. I did consider it with Stryker though, which should tell you just how intolerable he is.

Why should I leave, and where did I say I don't like a bunch of people? Attitudes like yours and the Stryker's are in the vast minority here - most people are respectful and just want to talk turtles or other issues. It's the demeaning, unnecessary posts which bring the place down, so if anything they're the people who should leave (or be banned). I don't have a problem with Jester either - this is just a misunderstanding. You just couldn't help yourself though - you thrive on animosity.

I don't have a problem with a bunch of people on here. Please don't flatter yourself. Please don't even try to label me immature when you pick up on typos and consider spelling prowess a barometer of intelligence.

As for the 'c' word, the fact that that is considered more offensive in the States than 'spaz' shows what a backward nation you are at times.

[Powder]

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Davetello

As for the 'c' word, the fact that that is considered more offensive in the States than 'spaz' shows what a backward nation you are at times.

This...isn't helping keep me from jumping back into the argument.

I really don't know if our "spaz" derives from the outdated term "spastic" used for those with Cerebral Palsy. I can't tell you if we ever used the term "spastic" and the shorted term to describe those people. If our word never had the tie to those who were disabled and only those who were extremely excitable to the point of spasm, then there's no reason that word to have the nasty taste that it leaves in British mouths.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Powder

I'm generally a very affable individual, but I tend not to back down when someone starts on me. I've seen you be abusive before so it was quite obvious I wasn't going to think you were only joking in your original posts, wasn't it?

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Jester

This...isn't helping keep me from jumping back into the argument.

I really don't know if our "spaz" derives from the outdated term "spastic" used for those with Cerebral Palsy. I can't tell you if we ever used the term "spastic" and the shorted term to describe those people. If our word never had the tie to those who were disabled and only those who were extremely excitable to the point of spasm, then there's no reason that word to have the nasty taste that it leaves in British mouths.

Fair enough. If that's the case then perhaps you have a point. The way Mikey uses it though (as if to describe an incompetent rather than excitable foot soldier) doesn't seem to back up your belief...

I still find it strange that the 'c' word is more offensive over there than 'spaz'. Why on earth should women find that word offensive? It's just a word for their genitals, like the 'p' word.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Davetello

I'm generally a very affable individual, but I tend not to back down when someone starts on me. I've seen you be abusive before so it was quite obvious I wasn't going to think you were only joking in your original posts, wasn't it?

I would just completely drop it but in order to prevent you from telling the next guy that I ran off after having been put in my place, I'll say this- I'm done here. It's going nowhere.

[Jester]

Here it's an step up (or down...depending on how you look at it) from calling them a "female dog"...

Again...why is the "s" word so offensive there? Different cultures, mate.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Powder

I would just completely drop it but in order to prevent you from telling the next guy that I ran off after having been put in my place, I'll say this- I'm done here. It's going nowhere.

I don't think I've 'put you in your place' (although you've said some weird things, which I did reply to). You've at least tried to be serious in the aftermath. To be fair, you're not on Stryker's level of bellendry or idiocy, so I'm less irritated by you. I've actually seen you make good, constructive posts. I can't say the same about him. In my opinion he's the worst poster on this entire forum.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Jester

Here it's an step up (or down...depending on how you look at it) from calling them a "female dog"...

Again...why is the "s" word so offensive there? Different cultures, mate.

Different cultures, indeed, dude. But the difference is that the 'c' word doesn't degrade a vulnerable group of people (unless you listen to too much of what feminists say). The 's' word does i.e. the disabled are a far more vulnerable and discriminated against group than able-bodied women. In that sense we have to eradicate and discourage any terms which denigrate them.

I did know that the 'c' word is highly offensive over there, though. If I meet a very abusive individual next time I'm over there I will call them said word (although I don't really fancy being shot in the street, another wonderful law you have there).

Oh, and given the state of your health care system, I'm not really surprised that the disabled are seen as scum in the USA.

[Jester]

Again...it's not taken that way here. I actually had to look up who it's meant to offend. To be honest I thought those with epilepsy first, because that disorder would cause you to spasm....but I was wrong...because it's not a slang term for someone with a disability here. It's almost a form of geek...or dweeb...in fact.

http://vimeo.com/15432053

Also any thoughts on Raph's usage in Secret of the Ooze?

EDIT: Seriously, dude. All the snide back handed remarks about 'Merica aren't endearing you to me...and they are making it hard to see this argument end.

AND if I was a total jerk, I'd say, "I'm winning!" because you have to constantly resort to denigrating my freakin' country.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Jester

Again...it's not taken that way here. I actually had to look up who it's meant to offend. To be honest I thought those with epilepsy first, because that disorder would cause you to spasm....but I was wrong...because it's not a slang term for someone with a disability here. It's almost a form of geek...or dweeb...in fact.

http://vimeo.com/15432053

Also any thoughts on Raph's usage in Secret of the Ooze?

EDIT: Seriously, dude. All the snide back handed remarks about 'Merica aren't endearing you to me...and they are making it hard to see this argument end.

AND if I was a total jerk, I'd say, "I'm winning!" because you have to constantly result to denigrating my freakin' country.

Well that's very strange. It's generally shorthand for a 'spastic' (in fact over here the term 'spaz' has almost died out now and the full term 'spastic' is generally used as an insult).

Haha, I knew you'd eventually mention me being 'anti-American'. If it's any consolation, I hate the UK too and think we're just as bad (in fact in many ways we are even worse). I just despise your government, gun laws, health care system and the fact that you still have capital punishment. We have many draconian laws of our own but at least we don't have those three. Don't view it as winning because my dislike for these aspects of American life are legendary and I'd probably bring them up in a less heated debate as well. On the plus side some of your entertainment is sensational (if a bit preachy).

For what it's worth, you seem a good guy and you have made some good points here (although at times it seems you're playing devil's advocate). The only thing that really annoyed me was the claim that I think offensive terms are as bad as slavery.

Patriotism is bollocks mate. The USA and UK - we're both as scummy as each other, so please don't take this as me being a little-Englander. I generally hate the west as a whole. Given the Syria situation you can hardly grudge me a few shots at your country right now.

EDIT: forgot to address Raph's usage in SotO.That backs up what I say as well because he clearly means Perry is an idiot or gimp. I'm sure they've said it in Mirage as well.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Davetello

forgot to address Raph's usage in SotO.That backs up what I say as well because he clearly means Perry is an idiot or gimp. I'm sure they've said it in Mirage as well.

Or....he's calling him a dork. He is a pretty big dork.

[愛]

What the hell is even going on? Good lord, cut it out and get back on topic.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by 愛

What the hell is even going on? Good lord, cut it out and get back on topic.

Hey, it all bizarrely escalated - I didn't want this either, and I suspect the other lads didn't either in the end. That's why this is so weird.

Jester - that could be plausible, but I'm still not convinced (the context Mikey says it in the first movie seems to lean to my side of the argument, which would imply similar for SotO).

Anyway, it's all something that we keep going over. It won't be resolved and the turtles were just an example. My original post was about people in the UK using the word - this debate would never have occurred had I not referenced an American film. So we can drop it if you like.

And apologies for insulting your country. Feel free to insult mine though, because I will probably agree with you.