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Old 09-15-2013, 07:23 PM   #61
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I liked The Last Stand in theaters.

I feel like if I watched it again it would just completely fall apart.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:06 PM   #62
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I liked The Last Stand in theaters.

I feel like if I watched it again it would just completely fall apart.
I kinda feel that way about TMNT (2007)...
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:44 PM   #63
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I kinda feel that way about TMNT (2007)...
Yeah, I don't watch it much for that very reason. I like it, but I want to keep liking it and I know it's not terrific. After I saw it in theaters and watched it once on DVD I didn't see it again for like 5 years.
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:05 AM   #64
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Just saw Bug yesturday. It was good but really wierd and unsettling. Ashley Judd was great in it but I never want to watch it again. It's just too much
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:15 AM   #65
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Batman Begins and Dark Knight. They were both decent enough, but I have no interest in seeing them again- especially Dark Knight. Ledger KILLED the Joker for me. I will always imagine Jack when I think Joker. I don't know WHO Heath was playing, but it wasn't the Clown Prince of Crime....
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:30 AM   #66
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Off the top of my head, probably World War Z.
Great book, and I met Max Brooks and he was awesome and very cool.
I just felt the movie didn't exactly work out, and I love a good zombie movie.
This is one that's like "eh, it was ok but I'll not see it again".
I'll watch Romero's worst film before seeing WWZ again.

I felt it could have been much better, but I was pulled out of the movie a lot, such as with the dog piling zombies. I get that they did it like insects, as they showed in the opening credits. There were other various plot holes kinda moments that pulled me out of the movie.
Probably the best bits of the movie are when the outbreak first starts.

And I really disliked the forced-down-your-throat ending message of
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And for the record, Pacific Rim will be a Day 1 BluRay purchase for me.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:43 AM   #67
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Batman Begins and Dark Knight. They were both decent enough, but I have no interest in seeing them again- especially Dark Knight. Ledger KILLED the Joker for me. I will always imagine Jack when I think Joker. I don't know WHO Heath was playing, but it wasn't the Clown Prince of Crime....
That's kind of odd, since any similarities between the Joker in the Tim Burton movie - any of the characters in that movie, honestly - and their comic book counterparts was purely coincidental. Nicholson, in particular, played the exact same role he does in every movie: Jack Nicholson, only in that movie it was "Jack Nicholson, only this time he's dressed like a clown." It wasn't particularly a stretch (they even named Joker "Jack" to better accommodate the actor), but it wasn't exactly a spot-on portrayal, by any means.

It was fine, I mean I like Jack and everything, but he was a bit too "cute" and way too charming. Joker's a psychopath, a total nihilist, and everyone in a room with him should feel extremely uncomfortable at all times. When he appears, the viewer/reader should be equally fascinated and horrified by what he might do, and afterwards, they should feel a little sickened by what they've seen. He is supposed to be literally the worst type of human being possible, a walking nightmare. And I feel like Nicholson only scratched the surface of the character's potential, while Ledger - who I was ready to hate - fully embraced it. Some of the character's more horrific moments from the comics - like breaking into the home of an elderly couple and skinning them alive, just for fun, as seen in the "Joker" graphic novel - are things I could never see Nicholson's version doing, but would seem perfectly fine for Ledger's interpretation to do.

Mileage will vary, obviously. But I definitely thought Ledger's version was more closely aligned with the comics. It was still its own entirely separate version, but it was closer to the source.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:52 PM   #68
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Hmmm, films i like that i would never see again....

Probably 'Schindler's list', now i think about it.
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Old 03-08-2014, 03:55 PM   #69
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I guess comedies like "Borat" or "40 Year Old Virgin" apply because while funny, the jokes don't exactly age well, especially Borat. Although, to be fair, I did re-watch Borat back in 2008. I remember watching it at the cinema back in 2006(I think) and finding it hysterical, but then I re-watched it a couple of years later on DVD and barely could manage a chuckle.

Another movie I liked the first time I watched it but disliked it the 2nd time was "The Day After Tomorrow". I don't know why, but I liked it a lot the first time I watched it.
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I'm seconding "Schlinder's List," and adding Charlize Theron's "Monster," and Ellen Page's "Hard Candy."

All three are brutal, visceral, amazingly well crafted movies that I will never watch again if I can help it.

"The Shape of Things" was also mindf*ck, but that just left me feeling dirty.
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Old 03-09-2014, 10:43 AM   #71
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Mulholland Drive by David Lynch - very strange and impressive - but one time is enough !
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:00 PM   #72
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I don't mind if I've heard the jokes before or seen horror films before , they still entertain me

Wasn't he named Jack Napier as a tribute to Alan "Alfred" Napier who'd just died , that's what I heard ?
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:27 PM   #73
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Joker's a psychopath, a total nihilist, and everyone in a room with him should feel extremely uncomfortable at all times. When he appears, the viewer/reader should be equally fascinated and horrified by what he might do, and afterwards, they should feel a little sickened by what they've seen
I'll give you that, but don't forget that he is known as the CLOWN prince of crime. He's the Joker, where are the jokes and dark humor? The Joker in The Dark Knight was just too serious for me, he just felt like a completly different character.

The only scenes in the movie where I thought "Now THAT'S the Joker." Include the opening scene "Naw, I'm just waiting for the car." The "magic trick" he does with the pencil and finally during the hospital scene when his bombs have a delay in them.

That's just me, though.
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It's supposed to be more ironic than a description. The fact that someone who looks like a clown is really an inhuman monster. Just like Catwoman got her name because she was a cat burglar and over the years somehow people identified her as a woman with a cat fetish who purrs, which is incorrect. People get hung up on nicknames and descriptors.

Perfect example: In the first Joker story printed after he killed Robin/Jason Todd, the plot centered around an imposter Joker who had surfaced, and his behavior - jokes and clown-like behavior over violence and mayhem - were a dead giveaway to batman and Gordon that this guy wasn't the real Joker. Det. Essen specifically stated, "The Joker's M.O. is bad jokes..." only to be corrected by Gordon, "NO. He's NOT a comedian." Again, the visual is supposed to be ironic. I know that in the 60s when everything was watered down for the Comics Code, he became a simple clown, but it may as well have been a completely different character altogether.

Again, the scene in the "Joker" graphic novel sums him up. He and an accomplice break into the home of an elderly couple. The accomplice asks him, who lives there. Joker replies, "Who cares?" And then he skins them alive and laughs about it. Not very "clownish". Because he's NOT a clown. He's the Devil. He's a monster. He has no soul. Big difference.

Those scenes you described from the movie are very good representation, but again, what they got right wasn't necessarily that he was "being funny", but that he was being a psychopath and HE was the only one "in" on the "joke". It's a subtle but important distinction.

And the bomb scene was a "happy accident", the pyro didn't go off as expected and Ledger was just keeping in character because the cameras were on, and it turned out to be such a good shot they left it in. More a testament to his immersing himself in the role than anything.
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Those scenes you described from the movie are very good representation, but again, what they got right wasn't necessarily that he was "being funny", but that he was being a psychopath and HE was the only one "in" on the "joke". It's a subtle but important distinction.
I'll admit my knowledge of the character mostly comes from The Killing Joke graphic novel, Batman the Animated Series and the Mad Love graphic novel.

When I think of the Joker, I think of the most disturbing scene in the Killing Joke: When the Joker strips Commissioner Gordon naked, chains him up, places him on an amusement ride and shows him naked pictures of his daughter all while singing a song about how Gordon just needs to go loo-oo-oony. That going crazy will end his suffering.

We as an audience find this horrible, sick, disturbing, while to the Joker it's a game; just one big joke. We didn't need several scenes of him asking people if they know how he got his scars to do that. But alternative character interpretation and all.

No denying that Heath gave an excellent performance, I just feel the script could have been better. I just remembered another scene from The Dark Knight that felt Joker-esque to me: "I just want my phone call."
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I'm with TMNTguy here. What I've always liked about The Joker is his strange and often macabre sense of humor. He doesn't just kill like a "normal" psychopath, he does it with irony and sadistic schadenfreude in mind. There's a line from one of they comics that comes to mind when I think of Joker- "Anyone can butcher. A true artist does it with class." He said this to another psycho killer, ironicly enougb, right before turning on him §during a team up. I feel like Jack embodied this aspect far better than Ledger. He was closer to what we got in B:TAS, which I feel is the perfect deiction of him- albeit slightly sanitized for kids cartoons.
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The cartoon struck a good balance, at least as close as they could get on 90s TV. Killing Joke, also, is great. Again, though, I can more easily see Ledger's Joker going that dark, and doing those things. Jack, sure, but Heath more so.

I'unno, once again, to me the fact Jack was just playing himself in clown face waters it down a little bit. I love it for what it was, but he was almost too easy to like, and he seemed more goofy than threatening. And you're never supposed to fall in love with the villain. It's an easy trap to fall into when doing villains. For all Ledger's flair, he was such a lunatic he remained someone you wanted to see get beat in the end. I feel Nicholson and certain other portrayals of Joker make him too likeable. The writers can't contain their love for such an interesting character and get too "Cutesey" with it.

I don't know, it's a wrestling psychology thing. "The heel can't ever turn into the babyface." Jack's Joker, you honestly didn't want to see die at the end, he was such a showman. Heath's, it's like, "This kind of person really shouldn't exist, he's a human cancer. Just KILL HIM already!" Which to me, means they nailed it better.

I will forever mark the F*ck out for that "Party Man" scene, though. Joker absolutely murders a bunch of people and then dances spastically to Prince. Absolutely he does that. That sh*t was glorious.
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I feel Nicholson and certain other portrayals of Joker make him too likeable. The writers can't contain their love for such an interesting character and get too "Cutesey" with it.

I don't know, it's a wrestling psychology thing. "The heel can't ever turn into the babyface." Jack's Joker, you honestly didn't want to see die at the end, he was such a showman. Heath's, it's like, "This kind of person really shouldn't exist, he's a human cancer. Just KILL HIM already!" Which to me, means they nailed it better.
Hmm. Never thought of it that way. Just goes to show you how strong of a character he is; Writers can focus on just one part of his personality and still find an audience for him.
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Since he's such a multi-faceted personality to begin with, it's very easy to do.

I have a soft spot for Romero's version, for example, since it was the first I was exposed to as a kid. And based on the character of the era as well as SOME parts of his personality, it was OK. But it's not the best way to do it either, for me. It's valid. It's not "incorrect". Nicholson's is valid. It's not "incorrect". Same with Ledger's. They all hit different notes of the same character. Heath just honestly surprised me by having his version overwrite the others in my personal headspace.
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"The Shape of Things" was also mindf*ck, but that just left me feeling dirty.
Yeah it really does. I like it but it's the furthest thing from a feel good movie. Niel LeBute is great at creating really great characters with terrible charcter flaws. Saw Your Friends and Neighbors recently and I felt pretty dirty afterwards as well.
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