Pupils or no pupils?

Gonstead · 10-18-2013, 03:29 AM

As the titles says.

I personally go for no pupils.

Bonus question: What if the OT and 2012 TMNT had no pupils? I know the 2012 series does it at times in combat but I mean as a permanent thing.

*Powder* · 10-18-2013, 03:47 AM

This is not a two choice question, really. I doubt there's anyone who'll always want one or the other. Whether or not they suit a certain version of the turtles depends on far too many factors to list. Needs a both/depends option.

Walkabout · 10-18-2013, 03:55 AM

I lean towards no pupils, mainly because of the old action figures which had such an effect on me (

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**Jester** · 10-18-2013, 04:03 AM

I'm with Powder....it really depends. Some artists renditions of the Turtles even are more suited for pupils than others. When Chris Allan drew his issues of Tales of the TMNT Vol 2, they looked odd because his style lends itself to the pupils.

Same can be said for FW styled Turtles with no pupils:

Spoiler:

Walkabout · 10-18-2013, 04:08 AM

When you put it like that...

*Andrew NDB* · 10-18-2013, 04:50 AM

The no pupils thing has always rang as stupid to me. Of course they should have pupils. Drawing them without them always just rang as an artistic sort of, "Look how cool they look with no pupils!" thing. But it's nonsense... they're not Batman, they're not wearing infrared contact lenses or anything.

Equally stupid is giving each Turtle exotically and unique colored pupils. Which seems to be the new thing to do.

*Shark_Blade* · 10-18-2013, 05:47 AM

Both. 2k12.

But if I have to choose..

I'd choose no pupil since it looks cool and how they started in mirage.

ryukenden · 10-18-2013, 10:29 AM

I like both to be honest. In battle, they look awesome without pupils but everything else doesn't look good with whited out eyes especially during down time. So if I have to choose, I say without pupils. I really like it the way the Turtles have normal eyes when they're calm but once their adrenaline is pumping, their eyes white out.

CowabungaMikey · 10-18-2013, 10:38 AM

I love the no pupils. But I agree, in the OT they got to have pupils.

RaphAndDonnie · 10-18-2013, 10:59 AM

I don't really care either way but if I had to choose I'd say pupils look aesthetically better.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-18-2013, 01:59 PM

Jester: I have that shirt, I wear it to the gym a lot.

I agree with Andrew that they should have pupils, generally speaking, for the same reasons: When Batman or most masked characters have no pupils, it's usually a function of the mask itself. The mask magically making their pupils vanish, or further showing them unmasked and still having no pupils, seems very odd. It just looks weird.

I disagree about eye colors, though, to me it's just another distinguishing trait between them and not that big a deal. Might not be "realistic", but literally nothing about TMNT on any level is realistic to begin with.

I can deal either way, though, I got over them not having pupils in the 2K3 series. I always draw them with pupils, though.

*Donatello19* · 10-18-2013, 02:00 PM

I prefer pupils personally, but I like how 2K12 does both.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-18-2013, 02:16 PM

I like how Nick does pupils and no pupils when they're in battle. It's just so cool. Frankly, I never cared about it before and it really doesn't matter to me what they do. But I do like the pupils for the Nick Turtles and having them be different colors is just so cool.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 10-18-2013, 02:30 PM

The question is really a broad option. You can't really choose pupils or non pupils.

Some turtles look good with pupils, thus looking weird without pupils. Incarnations such as the movie turtles and the 1987 turtles look weird or just plain wrong without pupils.

On the other hand, some turtles look good without pupils. The mirage turtles and the 2003 turtles look better without pupils, and look really weird with pupils.

So, overall you can't really choose which, because it all comes down to which incarnation.

A better question would be 'Do the 2012 Turtles look better with or without pupils?', as we have seen both of them with and without pupils.

pingclang · 10-18-2013, 02:35 PM

Well, I prefer without, since that's how Mirage did it. The thing I have to mention though is that when they took off the bandannas, they had pupils. I always liked that take on it. So with me, when the mask is on, none but when they're off, which I would like to see more of, yeah, show the eyes.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-18-2013, 02:43 PM

But why would their pupils vanish just because they tie a strip of cloth around their head, though? That's what I don't get. At least with Batman, they realized after a few years how silly it was for his eyes to vanish and decided "Oh, yeah, uh, night vision lenses in the mask". It was still flimsy but at least it sort of made sense. I doubt the TMNT have high-tech filter lenses woven into their tattered headband rags.

(Cue someone saying that Donatello did exactly that as a way of explanation)

*BubblyShell22* · 10-18-2013, 02:50 PM

Yeah, I felt the same way, but I do like how they go all white in battle mode in the Nick cartoon as it just looks damn awesome.

And who knows? Maybe Don could rig something like that up.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-18-2013, 03:07 PM

I'm actually ok with it for dramatic effect like on the Nick show, they do lots of things like that so it fits in just fine there.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 10-18-2013, 03:08 PM

I prefer without pupils since that's how it originally was. The turtles look weird with the 2k3 Back to the Sewers season. There are times where they can pull them off well (2k12 series) but to me, it's like seeing Batman with pupils....awkward.

pingclang · 10-18-2013, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

But why would their pupils vanish just because they tie a strip of cloth around their head, though? That's what I don't get. At least with Batman, they realized after a few years how silly it was for his eyes to vanish and decided "Oh, yeah, uh, night vision lenses in the mask". It was still flimsy but at least it sort of made sense. I doubt the TMNT have high-tech filter lenses woven into their tattered headband rags.

(Cue someone saying that Donatello did exactly that as a way of explanation)

It's just a lense that covers the eye-holes of the mask.

At least that's how I took it. I understand what you're saying. I usually don't like it, using your example for instance, I much prefer Batman with his actual eyes. I'm a huge Green Arrow fan and as much as I like his Neal Adams look, I liked the Mike Grell painted eyes much better. Just when it comes to the Turtles, I think it looks much cooler, even if it makes no sense.

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10-18-2013, 03:29 AM	#1
Gonstead Random Punk Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 39	Pupils or no pupils? As the titles says. I personally go for no pupils. Bonus question: What if the OT and 2012 TMNT had no pupils? I know the 2012 series does it at times in combat but I mean as a permanent thing.

10-18-2013, 03:55 AM	#3
Walkabout Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 556	I lean towards no pupils, mainly because of the old action figures which had such an effect on me ()

10-18-2013, 04:03 AM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I'm with Powder....it really depends. Some artists renditions of the Turtles even are more suited for pupils than others. When Chris Allan drew his issues of Tales of the TMNT Vol 2, they looked odd because his style lends itself to the pupils. Same can be said for FW styled Turtles with no pupils: Spoiler: __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-18-2013, 04:50 AM	#6
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,543	The no pupils thing has always rang as stupid to me. Of course they should have pupils. Drawing them without them always just rang as an artistic sort of, "Look how cool they look with no pupils!" thing. But it's nonsense... they're not Batman, they're not wearing infrared contact lenses or anything. Equally stupid is giving each Turtle exotically and unique colored pupils. Which seems to be the new thing to do. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 10-18-2013 at 05:03 AM.

10-18-2013, 03:47 AM	#2
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,955	This is not a two choice question, really. I doubt there's anyone who'll always want one or the other. Whether or not they suit a certain version of the turtles depends on far too many factors to list. Needs a both/depends option.

10-18-2013, 04:08 AM	#5
Walkabout Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 556	When you put it like that...

10-18-2013, 05:47 AM	#7
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Both. 2k12. But if I have to choose.. I'd choose no pupil since it looks cool and how they started in mirage.

10-18-2013, 10:29 AM	#8
ryukenden Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 383	I like both to be honest. In battle, they look awesome without pupils but everything else doesn't look good with whited out eyes especially during down time. So if I have to choose, I say without pupils. I really like it the way the Turtles have normal eyes when they're calm but once their adrenaline is pumping, their eyes white out.

10-18-2013, 10:38 AM	#9
CowabungaMikey Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 661	I love the no pupils. But I agree, in the OT they got to have pupils. __________________ Cowabunga says it all!

10-18-2013, 01:59 PM	#11
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Jester: I have that shirt, I wear it to the gym a lot. I agree with Andrew that they should have pupils, generally speaking, for the same reasons: When Batman or most masked characters have no pupils, it's usually a function of the mask itself. The mask magically making their pupils vanish, or further showing them unmasked and still having no pupils, seems very odd. It just looks weird. I disagree about eye colors, though, to me it's just another distinguishing trait between them and not that big a deal. Might not be "realistic", but literally nothing about TMNT on any level is realistic to begin with. I can deal either way, though, I got over them not having pupils in the 2K3 series. I always draw them with pupils, though.

10-18-2013, 02:00 PM	#12
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	I prefer pupils personally, but I like how 2K12 does both.

10-18-2013, 02:16 PM	#13
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I like how Nick does pupils and no pupils when they're in battle. It's just so cool. Frankly, I never cared about it before and it really doesn't matter to me what they do. But I do like the pupils for the Nick Turtles and having them be different colors is just so cool. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-18-2013, 02:30 PM	#14
Whatswiththeheadbands? The Weed of Crime Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Shadow's Sanctum Posts: 3,007	The question is really a broad option. You can't really choose pupils or non pupils. Some turtles look good with pupils, thus looking weird without pupils. Incarnations such as the movie turtles and the 1987 turtles look weird or just plain wrong without pupils. On the other hand, some turtles look good without pupils. The mirage turtles and the 2003 turtles look better without pupils, and look really weird with pupils. So, overall you can't really choose which, because it all comes down to which incarnation. A better question would be 'Do the 2012 Turtles look better with or without pupils?', as we have seen both of them with and without pupils. __________________ Who knows what Evil lurks in the hearts of Men? The Shadow knows...

10-18-2013, 02:35 PM	#15
pingclang Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Tennessee Posts: 552	Well, I prefer without, since that's how Mirage did it. The thing I have to mention though is that when they took off the bandannas, they had pupils. I always liked that take on it. So with me, when the mask is on, none but when they're off, which I would like to see more of, yeah, show the eyes.

10-18-2013, 02:43 PM	#16
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	But why would their pupils vanish just because they tie a strip of cloth around their head, though? That's what I don't get. At least with Batman, they realized after a few years how silly it was for his eyes to vanish and decided "Oh, yeah, uh, night vision lenses in the mask". It was still flimsy but at least it sort of made sense. I doubt the TMNT have high-tech filter lenses woven into their tattered headband rags. (Cue someone saying that Donatello did exactly that as a way of explanation)

10-18-2013, 02:50 PM	#17
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, I felt the same way, but I do like how they go all white in battle mode in the Nick cartoon as it just looks damn awesome. And who knows? Maybe Don could rig something like that up. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-18-2013, 03:07 PM	#18
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm actually ok with it for dramatic effect like on the Nick show, they do lots of things like that so it fits in just fine there.

10-18-2013, 03:08 PM	#19
LeotheLateBloomer Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,117	I prefer without pupils since that's how it originally was. The turtles look weird with the 2k3 Back to the Sewers season. There are times where they can pull them off well (2k12 series) but to me, it's like seeing Batman with pupils....awkward.