Nightwing and Wonder Woman to possibly be in Man of Steel 2 - Page 2

*Krutch* · 11-12-2013, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whatswiththeheadbands?

People are having a problem with this because they are cramming too much into 1 movie, instead of spacing it out.

This. I think we're all more than okay with Batman starting off established. But not when he's being introduced with Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Lex... IN a Superman movie.

*CyberCubed* · 11-12-2013, 07:05 PM

Most movies have a large cast. Man of Steel introduced about 7 characters as an intro movie:

Superman
Lois
Jor-El
Zod
Zod's righthand woman
Clark's parents
Perry White
Jenny Olsen

*chrisdude* · 11-12-2013, 10:14 PM

Alright. So, Batman, Nightwing and Wonder Woman can have roles the size of Clark's parents and Jenny Olsen. Now it all fits. Awesome.

*Krutch* · 11-13-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most movies have a large cast. Man of Steel introduced about 7 characters as an intro movie:

Superman
Lois
Jor-El
Zod
Zod's righthand woman
Clark's parents
Perry White
Jenny Olsen

And look how well developed they all were. And now they have to share space with an additional 4 main cast.

*CyberCubed* · 11-13-2013, 01:28 AM

The new movie will have:

Superman
Lois
Lex Luthor
Batman
Nightwing
Wonder Woman

And...whomever else. I think they should forget about Wonder Woman and maybe have her show up in something else.

*NinjaPug* · 11-13-2013, 06:40 AM

The rumors make it sound like Wonder Woman will only be known as Diana in the movie and her role is only an introduction to the character.

Michelangelo · 11-13-2013, 07:08 AM

Quality over quantity.
It's Superman, not the LOTRs.
The Xmen movies had too many characters in them. They were cool but never got enough time to do much if anything. Sure they all exist in the same universe but unless there's a really good reason to have them, why bother. If there's going to be tonnes of characters just look at the LOTRs. Establishing characters like lex luthor are ok, but some people have no clue who nightwing is. Black widow in xmen origins was just lame. All these characters for the sake of being able to say wonder woman is going to be in it. Also, get the actors who played them back. Get Christian Bale, not Affleck. Batman might be established but Affleck as Batman is not. Really believe he'll suck. Prove me wrong Affleck, prove me wrong.

*chrisdude* · 11-13-2013, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michelangelo

Quality over quantity.
It's Superman, not the LOTRs.
The Xmen movies had too many characters in them. They were cool but never got enough time to do much if anything. Sure they all exist in the same universe but unless there's a really good reason to have them, why bother. If there's going to be tonnes of characters just look at the LOTRs. Establishing characters like lex luthor are ok, but some people have no clue who nightwing is. Black widow in xmen origins was just lame. All these characters for the sake of being able to say wonder woman is going to be in it. Also, get the actors who played them back. Get Christian Bale, not Affleck. Batman might be established but Affleck as Batman is not. Really believe he'll suck. Prove me wrong Affleck, prove me wrong.

Basically this. Except Bale. I think Dark Knight Batman is just too realistic and grounded to go toe-to-toe with Superman. I hope the new Batman has insane gadgets and other crazy technology. Like a real Batmobile, and a crazy jet.

Nightwing seems like an easy character to tack on. Say he's Dick Grayson, and he used to be Robin. Boom. Everyone knows who that is.

Wonder Woman? Heck. I don't even know Wonder Woman. I haven't seen her in movies, comics, or television. And if most people are unfamiliar with her, maybe they could get away with reducing her to a small, Black Widow kind of supporting role.

*CyberCubed* · 11-13-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

Wonder Woman? Heck. I don't even know Wonder Woman. I haven't seen her in movies, comics, or television. And if most people are unfamiliar with her, maybe they could get away with reducing her to a small, Black Widow kind of supporting role.

How could you not know Wonder Woman? She's had a live-action TV series, been in multiple DC cartoons as a main character in Justice League, and she's been in many DC animated movies.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-13-2013, 02:13 PM

She also put the entire teenage male population of the 1970s through puberty...

Spoiler:

You're welcome.

*chrisdude* · 11-14-2013, 05:06 AM

I knew a Wonder Woman fan, in college, if it helps...

But that TV show is just before my time. I know she spins in place to change into her costume, and her bracelets are bulletproof, but I haven't seen the show. I watched cartoons, as a kid, too, but I think Justice League just came along later. I remember my dad watching it.

I've enjoyed the graphic novels Superman: Earth One and Batman: Earth One. So I figure the Grant Morrison Wonder Woman book will be as good a place to start as any. I look forward to it.

Michelangelo · 11-14-2013, 06:00 AM

Like the xmen it will just become another tale with too many meetings and not enough awesome action. So long as there are heaps of epic battles they can say whatever they like. So long as they don't stand around in boring locations or rooms and talk BS like the xmen did. Just look at star wars, heaps of characters all intertwined with enough time onscreen to work as characters I want to care about in awesome locations and in all kinds of situations before building to an epic battle that is so personal and captivating. It's like movie makers these days have never seen star wars. If they want the characters to sit around and chit chat at least give them something interesting to say, give the script writing duties to Tarantino he'll set things on fire. I want this movie to be incredibly awesome, not just money making good.

*CyberCubed* · 11-14-2013, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I knew a Wonder Woman fan, in college, if it helps...

But that TV show is just before my time. I know she spins in place to change into her costume, and her bracelets are bulletproof, but I haven't seen the show. I watched cartoons, as a kid, too, but I think Justice League just came along later. I remember my dad watching it.
.

Wonder Woman doesn't spin to change into her costume anymore, at least from what I've seen in modern years. She's an Amazon that lived on an island separate from the rest of civilization that only has women. There are no men allowed on the Amazon island.

Think of Wonder Woman's amazon island like how Atlantis is to Aquaman and all the underwater people. It's a myth to the rest of the world.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 11-14-2013, 01:12 PM

If they are to put in Wonder woman and nightwing, they should in a maximum of 2 scenes, then expand and develop them over the course of more movies.

*Raph's Girl* · 11-14-2013, 06:25 PM

Eh don't worry. If you want live action character development for Nightwing just watch Arrow. He's gonna be played by Vampire Diaries actor Steven McQueen.

*CyberCubed* · 11-14-2013, 07:06 PM

I just hope Nightwing isn't 17 years old.

If Batman is in his 40's I want Nightwing to be around 25.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-18-2013, 10:11 PM

Not sure what it means for the rumored involvement of the Nightwing character - if there was in fact to be any - but the actor rumored to be in talks to play him, Adam Driver, recently denied any involvement.

Also, something interesting from supermanhomepage.com...

Daniel Alter, a producer with ties to Warner Bros., tweeted a comment that has started a new round of rumors regarding Batman's role in the upcoming Superman/Batman movie.

"Can't wait for #BatmanvsSuperman.. #batfleck semi-retired/not speaking to Robin anymore.. Controlling drones from the batcave."

Could this be something similar to what we saw in the "Kingdom Come" graphic novel saga where Batman was monitoring Gotham via Bat-Robots and was not on speaking terms with Dick Grayson (who was still Robin at the time)? Obviously Superman is only at the start of his career in this next movie, but Batman... he's supposed to be a seasoned and tired crime fighter.

For now, take this with a grain of salt...

We're trying to focus mainly on the Superman aspects of this film (being we're a Superman fan site), but there's not much on offer at the moment.

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=14218

That's... interesting. If true, I'd pretty much bet any future Batman solo movies will involve a younger Batman and a different actor in the role, and will exist as "flashbacks" to earlier days in his career. It could also be a way to keep the Dark Knight Trilogy in a loose continuity with the Affleck version. Since things seem to run in threes in Hollywood these days, I'd bet Affleck will play Batman in this movie, Justice League, and one other film, and the next three will be "Flashback" films with a younger Batman and Robin.

It's an interesting - if slightly convoluted - approach. I'd still prefer a Batman who was the same age as Superman. I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea of even a slightly-depowered Superman essentially smacking a senior citizen. We'll see how they play it, I guess.

BODYCOUNT · 11-18-2013, 11:38 PM

What if the just show up for the fight scenes! that would be cool. no long back story we all know who the hell they are.... come in share 10-15 screen time for 2-3 fights/one liners and they are good. more knightwing tho....maybe touch on jason todds death to make bats extra grumpy????

*CyberCubed* · 11-19-2013, 12:08 AM

From what I hear Wonder Woman's role would be minor where she would only be known as, "Diana" and it would lead to a back-door pilot to her own movie.

Also Nightwing being there doesn't mean there has to be any other Robin's. If Nightwing is in the movie I don't expect them to mention Tim Drake or anyone else, just probably one reference that Nightwing was once Robin for casual movie go-ers.

11-12-2013, 10:14 PM	#23
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	Alright. So, Batman, Nightwing and Wonder Woman can have roles the size of Clark's parents and Jenny Olsen. Now it all fits. Awesome. __________________ PSN/Miiverse: MikeFarber

11-14-2013, 05:06 AM	#31
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	I knew a Wonder Woman fan, in college, if it helps... But that TV show is just before my time. I know she spins in place to change into her costume, and her bracelets are bulletproof, but I haven't seen the show. I watched cartoons, as a kid, too, but I think Justice League just came along later. I remember my dad watching it. I've enjoyed the graphic novels Superman: Earth One and Batman: Earth One. So I figure the Grant Morrison Wonder Woman book will be as good a place to start as any. I look forward to it. __________________ PSN/Miiverse: MikeFarber

11-14-2013, 01:12 PM	#34
Whatswiththeheadbands? The Weed of Crime Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Shadow's Sanctum Posts: 3,007	If they are to put in Wonder woman and nightwing, they should in a maximum of 2 scenes, then expand and develop them over the course of more movies. __________________ Who knows what Evil lurks in the hearts of Men? The Shadow knows...

11-14-2013, 06:25 PM	#35
Raph's Girl Dierna Soul, Reporter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jakku Posts: 10,831	Eh don't worry. If you want live action character development for Nightwing just watch Arrow. He's gonna be played by Vampire Diaries actor Steven McQueen. __________________

11-12-2013, 07:05 PM	#22
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	Most movies have a large cast. Man of Steel introduced about 7 characters as an intro movie: Superman Lois Jor-El Zod Zod's righthand woman Clark's parents Perry White Jenny Olsen

11-13-2013, 01:28 AM	#25
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	The new movie will have: Superman Lois Lex Luthor Batman Nightwing Wonder Woman And...whomever else. I think they should forget about Wonder Woman and maybe have her show up in something else.

11-13-2013, 06:40 AM	#26
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	The rumors make it sound like Wonder Woman will only be known as Diana in the movie and her role is only an introduction to the character.

11-13-2013, 07:08 AM	#27
Michelangelo Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 244	Quality over quantity. It's Superman, not the LOTRs. The Xmen movies had too many characters in them. They were cool but never got enough time to do much if anything. Sure they all exist in the same universe but unless there's a really good reason to have them, why bother. If there's going to be tonnes of characters just look at the LOTRs. Establishing characters like lex luthor are ok, but some people have no clue who nightwing is. Black widow in xmen origins was just lame. All these characters for the sake of being able to say wonder woman is going to be in it. Also, get the actors who played them back. Get Christian Bale, not Affleck. Batman might be established but Affleck as Batman is not. Really believe he'll suck. Prove me wrong Affleck, prove me wrong.

11-13-2013, 02:13 PM	#30
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	She also put the entire teenage male population of the 1970s through puberty... Spoiler: You're welcome.

11-14-2013, 06:00 AM	#32
Michelangelo Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 244	Like the xmen it will just become another tale with too many meetings and not enough awesome action. So long as there are heaps of epic battles they can say whatever they like. So long as they don't stand around in boring locations or rooms and talk BS like the xmen did. Just look at star wars, heaps of characters all intertwined with enough time onscreen to work as characters I want to care about in awesome locations and in all kinds of situations before building to an epic battle that is so personal and captivating. It's like movie makers these days have never seen star wars. If they want the characters to sit around and chit chat at least give them something interesting to say, give the script writing duties to Tarantino he'll set things on fire. I want this movie to be incredibly awesome, not just money making good.

11-14-2013, 07:06 PM	#36
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	I just hope Nightwing isn't 17 years old. If Batman is in his 40's I want Nightwing to be around 25.

11-18-2013, 10:11 PM	#37
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Not sure what it means for the rumored involvement of the Nightwing character - if there was in fact to be any - but the actor rumored to be in talks to play him, Adam Driver, recently denied any involvement. Also, something interesting from supermanhomepage.com... Daniel Alter, a producer with ties to Warner Bros., tweeted a comment that has started a new round of rumors regarding Batman's role in the upcoming Superman/Batman movie. "Can't wait for #BatmanvsSuperman.. #batfleck semi-retired/not speaking to Robin anymore.. Controlling drones from the batcave." Could this be something similar to what we saw in the "Kingdom Come" graphic novel saga where Batman was monitoring Gotham via Bat-Robots and was not on speaking terms with Dick Grayson (who was still Robin at the time)? Obviously Superman is only at the start of his career in this next movie, but Batman... he's supposed to be a seasoned and tired crime fighter. For now, take this with a grain of salt... We're trying to focus mainly on the Superman aspects of this film (being we're a Superman fan site), but there's not much on offer at the moment. http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=14218 That's... interesting. If true, I'd pretty much bet any future Batman solo movies will involve a younger Batman and a different actor in the role, and will exist as "flashbacks" to earlier days in his career. It could also be a way to keep the Dark Knight Trilogy in a loose continuity with the Affleck version. Since things seem to run in threes in Hollywood these days, I'd bet Affleck will play Batman in this movie, Justice League, and one other film, and the next three will be "Flashback" films with a younger Batman and Robin. It's an interesting - if slightly convoluted - approach. I'd still prefer a Batman who was the same age as Superman. I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea of even a slightly-depowered Superman essentially smacking a senior citizen. We'll see how they play it, I guess.

11-18-2013, 11:38 PM	#38
BODYCOUNT Thug Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 98	What if the just show up for the fight scenes! that would be cool. no long back story we all know who the hell they are.... come in share 10-15 screen time for 2-3 fights/one liners and they are good. more knightwing tho....maybe touch on jason todds death to make bats extra grumpy????

11-19-2013, 12:08 AM	#39
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	From what I hear Wonder Woman's role would be minor where she would only be known as, "Diana" and it would lead to a back-door pilot to her own movie. Also Nightwing being there doesn't mean there has to be any other Robin's. If Nightwing is in the movie I don't expect them to mention Tim Drake or anyone else, just probably one reference that Nightwing was once Robin for casual movie go-ers.