Things you didnt like about 2k3 tmnt

[MikeandRaph87]

In no specific order my only five complaints against the series...
Shredder was an utrom, a subconcious merge of Shredder and Krang. His claim to be "The One True Shredder!" is ridiculous when he is using the name to use the fear of an ancient demon and I view Shredder as a human as it is.

Rat King being Agent Bishop's imperfect clone wrapped in bnadages. It may have adapted Rat King's only alive appearance in Mirage but it was not Rat King becuase Rat King is a human.

Lack of character from previous versions being reintroduced. Instead we get generic mutants. I like mutants to be humanoid and have thier own character otherwise it just seems like a wasted character.

The portrayal of Micheleangelo boarding on him being retarded and get tendacies get him somewhat abused b his family especially by my other favoerite Raphael. This is the result of Peter Laird not wanting the humor spread out and falling all on Michelangelo's shoulders.

Not finishing The Shredder War. It could have been done in two episodes at the end of the season but perhaps it was the fact only 13 episdoes were made opposed to 26 and the sale of the intellectual property was not known at that time.

[Example]

Utrom Shredder (sounds Swedish), the way they over-exaggerated the goofiness of the 80's turtles in Turtles Forever (such as making them deliberately go out in public without their disguises, something which - as far as I know - never happened in the original 80's cartoon), pretty much everything in Fast Forward except Sh'Okanabo and the Dark Turtles, the character designs in Back To The Sewers, and that's about it. The voice acting sometimes ranged from iffy to good, particularly with Casey and Hun.

[Vicky82]

Mikey - He was annoying, lazy, cocky, lacked ninja skills, hardly used his nunchucks in fighting, always screaming.
(Mikey is my favourite character but not in 2k3, I love Mikey in the Nick show and I think he can defently beat 2k3 Mikey's ass)

Leo - Too many storylines were focused on him
The lack of injuries - Yes I know it was a kids show but it had terrible bruises designs
Leo gets stabbed by Karai - I was a bit confused on where his injury was
Filler episodes - Nano, Garbageman, Notes from the underground episodes
Casey - He was dumb
Season 5, 6 and 7
The turtles 1st lair got destroyed in episode 1 too quickly, it should of got destroyed during season 1 or 2.
The turtles 2nd lair gets destroyed in season 4 and they move again, I thought it was pointless. ( I did love Turtles Forver but I was annoyed that there 3rd lair got destroyed)

[Breadcrab]

As much as I love the 2K3 series, there are a couple of things I dislike about it off the top of my head:

- The humor, when it was there, didn't always work and often felt forced. Obviously Mikey was the primary comic relief, but a lot of his puns and 'witicisms' just fell flat. This was something I could ignore, since it wasn't the primary appeal of the show for me, but it's still a bit disappointing considering the 1987 and 2012 series' nailed the comedy aspect.

- Ditto for some of the one-liners, specifically from Raph and Leo. The bad ones are quite rare, but they're eyebrow-raising when they do show up.

- I honestly didn't like Splinter all that much. He's a bit too serious and strict at times, when I feel he should take on a more lighthearted and optimistic nature, like Yoda in the original Star Wars trilogy. The 1987 and 2012 series' portrayed him perfectly, IMO.

- The episode that introduced Casey felt like a huge missed opportunity. Casey is blandly introduced as a vigilante. Then he and Raph fight until they kinda just stop fighting and team up. It seems rushed, and feels like it should have some weightier motives and character development behind it.

- The fact that they held off so long on an episode exploring and sympathizing Baxter Stockman's past, and then when they did do one they couldn't even air it! Come on! (at least the episode itself was great)

- General Blanque (the federation leader) is a complete cardboard cutout of a villain who exists for no other reason than to be evil and spout "get me that Fugitoid!" over and over again.

- I always found it odd that the TCRI/Search for Splinter arc was interrupted and put on hold so that the Turtles in Space arc could play out. Sure, the whole teleporter thing all makes sense in terms of logical plot progression, but it's still a bit odd from a pacing standpoint.

- While they're cloaked, The Foot Tech Ninjas have so many opportunities to stab the unsuspecting or confused turtles with their swords, but end up punching/kicking them instead. I know it's a kids' show, but at least give me a plausible reason for this! Like, for example, they can't even carry swords because it would interfere with the cloaking. IDK, Something!

- April feels a bit inconsistently written and vaguely defined. Is she headstrong or fragile? Reckless or careful? A techie/support role or someone who goes with the turtles out in the field? The answer seems to be all of the above. I guess you could blame this on the fact that so many writers were working on the show, plus April has always been a tricky character to pull off, but still.

Phew, I think that's all for now. If I think of anything else, I'll do another post. All things considered though, I still love the shell out of this show.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Breadcrab

As much as I love the 2K3 series, there are a couple of things I dislike about it off the top of my head:

- I always found it odd that the TCRI/Search for Splinter arc was interrupted and put on hold so that the Turtles in Space arc could play out. Sure, the whole teleporter thing all makes sense in terms of logical plot progression, but it's still a bit odd from a pacing standpoint.

I rarely defend this show, but I'll say this before Cyber or anyone else that's rude says it.

That particular story arc played out just like that in the comics, so in this case it kinda gets a free pass since it was just adapting the story. It is a bit odd to put the TCRI story on hold while the Turtles fight Triceratons in space... but eh, Mirage comics. It was still during the early Eastman and Laird still working together and just having fun era.=D

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I rarely defend this show,

Just curious, but why is that?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Just curious, but why is that?

Most of the complaints I heard about it have been valid. I still like the show just not as much as the other 2. If anyone gets a point wrong on account of not knowing the backstory of it I'll speak up.

[Breadcrab]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I rarely defend this show, but I'll say this before Cyber or anyone else that's rude says it.

That particular story arc played out just like that in the comics, so in this case it kinda gets a free pass since it was just adapting the story. It is a bit odd to put the TCRI story on hold while the Turtles fight Triceratons in space... but eh, Mirage comics. It was still during the early Eastman and Laird still working together and just having fun era.=D

Whoops! I apologize. I still haven't read the comics (something I should probably fix soon), so I had no idea that was the case.

Even so, it's really just a nitpick/mild oddity.

[The Sewer Lord]

Originally Posted by Breadcrab

- While they're cloaked, The Foot Tech Ninjas have so many opportunities to stab the unsuspecting or confused turtles with their swords, but end up punching/kicking them instead. I know it's a kids' show, but at least give me a plausible reason for this! Like, for example, they can't even carry swords because it would interfere with the cloaking. IDK, Something!

Actually, there is an explanation - Ch'rell didn't want them dead! In their debut episode, he just wanted the Foot Tech Ninjas to capture Raph to interrogate him to see if the turtles work for the Utroms. And then in "Shredder Strikes Back Pt. 1", he wanted to send a message to the turtles through Leo - which is, of course, that he has returned. Another thing he wanted to make clear is that he could have killed Leo, but he didn't! He wanted to prove to the turtles that they can live only if he allows it. Later episodes didn't feature the Foot Tech that much, so I you can't complain much about that.

[The Sewer Lord]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Most of the complaints I heard about it have been valid. I still like the show just not as much as the other 2. If anyone gets a point wrong on account of not knowing the backstory of it I'll speak up.

I would like to hear the stories. I just wanna know what made you change your mind about it. You used to defend it more often before. I don't know what made you go on a "bash-2k3-rampage".

[ObiWanFan4life]

I personally don't like how much of an idiot Karai became as The Shredder. For example, In her debut episose as The Shredder after driving the turtles out of their home, and instead of searching for their bodies in the wreckage, she just ASSUMES that she killed them.

[DarkLightDragon]

That, and I still find her whole 'revenge' sthick really forced. Yeah, I'll applaud her for actually doing something ballsy such as finding and destroying the lair (even though it required some outside help from the Mystics) but she was just a s****y replacement as Shredder and her motive really lacks anything if we remember her last moments with Ch'rell. Did she totally forget that he had no qualms with killing her during Exodus for dare trying to refrain him from killing the Turtles when they were already down and broken? Why would you want to avenge someone like that? And don't give me the old, "He was my father" excuse. If he was really a father to you in any sense, he never would have tried to kill you. You may have respected him, but he clearly didn't requite that same amount of respect for you.

It's all just one big plot convenience just to get her wearing his mantle to have her forget or ever address again.

Really made glad to have Leo come back and rightfully kick her ass in the following episode.

EDIT: Oh wait. Already had this listed in my last post in this thread. Guess I just decided to elaborate more on it without knowing it was listed.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by The Sewer Lord

I would like to hear the stories. I just wanna know what made you change your mind about it. You used to defend it more often before. I don't know what made you go on a "bash-2k3-rampage".

Not much to tell. I loved the show at first since it brought the Turtles back in an era that allowed them not to pull their punches and actually fight instead of throwing pizzas around and it was adapting Mirage stories and featuring characters we never saw before in animated form like Savanti, Renet, Nobody, the Elite Foot, etc.

I didn't like the needless changes to the story, the lame-ass adaptation to City at War, keeping Karai evil after Shredder was gone, cause um... evil, Raph and Mikey's characterization, and then of course, the whole Demon Shredder, Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers.

I kinda liked Back to the Sewers since it was back in present day and brought back the familiar faces like Hun, Baxter and so forth, but it sickened me how the writers ran out of ideas and felt the series needed some sort of extra gimmick to continue another season. The idiots almost wanted to turn the series into a card game.

I still like the show, and characters like Bishop and Baxter, but I just like the new show a lot more, and well, I'll always love the original OT. So it's third place, the middle child, or whatever you wanna call it, but I like the other two shows more.

[Vivi]

Out of curiosity, is there a thread like this in the other shows? Cause it's a bit crappy to rain down on this one only. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it's my favorite one.

[The Sewer Lord]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Not much to tell. I loved the show at first since it brought the Turtles back in an era that allowed them not to pull their punches and actually fight instead of throwing pizzas around and it was adapting Mirage stories and featuring characters we never saw before in animated form like Savanti, Renet, Nobody, the Elite Foot, etc.

I didn't like the needless changes to the story, the lame-ass adaptation to City at War, keeping Karai evil after Shredder was gone, cause um... evil, Raph and Mikey's characterization, and then of course, the whole Demon Shredder, Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers.

I kinda liked Back to the Sewers since it was back in present day and brought back the familiar faces like Hun, Baxter and so forth, but it sickened me how the writers ran out of ideas and felt the series needed some sort of extra gimmick to continue another season. The idiots almost wanted to turn the series into a card game.

I still like the show, and characters like Bishop and Baxter, but I just like the new show a lot more, and well, I'll always love the original OT. So it's third place, the middle child, or whatever you wanna call it, but I like the other two shows more.

I see. That's pretty much what most people rant about the 2k3.

Originally Posted by Vivi

Out of curiosity, is there a thread like this in the other shows? Cause it's a bit crappy to rain down on this one only. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it's my favorite one.

Well, there have been a lot of Nick bashers on the Nick forums recently. It's mostly shown on podcast and the "Why long-time fans have mixed reactions to the Nick show" thread. I haven't seen much OT rants on the forums.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Out of curiosity, is there a thread like this in the other shows? Cause it's a bit crappy to rain down on this one only. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it's my favorite one.

I'm sure it comes in waves.
But I think a lot of the 4Kids vs. Nick comparisons is because, at least to me, they have a much stronger association to continuity while the OT was mostly episodic due to its syndicated nature for cartoons at that time. Thus dramatically changing the storytelling, its approach, the growth of the characters, and the complexity of the subplots for a series. ...And not solely because these two are the most recent TMNT shows.

Due to these two shows having this important similarity, their storytelling can be more fairly compared to, making it much easier to compare and contrast the strengths and weaknesses in both shows that maybe some of us didn't notice before, or we just didn't have another show to properly compare 4Kids to before the Nick series showed up.

[CyberCubed]

It's because the original cartoon wasn't mean to be taken seriously, so when it has plotholes or nonsensical endings...it doesn't really matter.

Like the bizarre episode where Splinter used moth balls to turn the Turtles from floating balloons back to normal....with no explanation of how that worked at all.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's because the original cartoon wasn't mean to be taken seriously, so when it has plotholes or nonsensical endings...it doesn't really matter.

Like the bizarre episode where Splinter used moth balls to turn the Turtles from floating balloons back to normal....with no explanation of how that worked at all.

I guess you forgot how there were tons of OT-bashing threads when the 2K3 hits its stride. Hell, one of the main rules Shredder and Krang enforced was to NOT start threads and topics just to bash the OT or say 'how much better the 2K3 is than the OT'.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I guess you forgot how there were tons of OT-bashing threads when the 2K3 hits its stride. Hell, one of the main rules Shredder and Krang enforced was to NOT start threads and topics just to bash the OT or say 'how much better the 2K3 is than the OT'.

But that's because back then we were getting a more action-driven and plot driven cartoon for the first time. Also we were all teens when the 2k3 series was airing, so at the time we probably all felt we needed a show to, "grow up" along with us. Now that we're all in our 20's we don't need to be "macho men" and can enjoy things as they are. Our former teen selves needed to grow up.

The reason the OT still stands out is because it has its niche of being a fun, light-hearted comedy series with a lot of zany storylines.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But that's because back then we were getting a more action-driven and plot driven cartoon for the first time. Also we were all teens when the 2k3 series was airing, so at the time we probably all felt we needed a show to, "grow up" along with us. Now that we're all in our 20's we don't need to be "macho men" and can enjoy things as they are. Our former teen selves needed to grow up.

The reason the OT still stands out is because it has its niche of being a fun, light-hearted comedy series with a lot of zany storylines.

Oh you and your over-explaining things. Dude, they asked 'why aren't there any OT bashing threads' and I answered that yeah, there were tons of em back in the day. No need for anything more to be said.

Dude, you're like an insane TMNT spokesman. If a random guy in the store says 'wow, those ninja turtles were really lame back then' you'd jump all over their **** and give a 3 hour rant on why that's not true. Trust me, the Turtles don't need you as an agent.