Who is the best fighter between Raph and Leo? - Page 2

909 Turtle Fan · 03-22-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

But Raph is stronger and faster? And he knows about pressure points too? See, it's not so cut and dry as people like to think. I bet if you even got Donnie pissed off enough, he'd over power Leo and Raph as well. It depends on the circumstances.

Raphael may be stronger but that doesn't make him faster. Royce Gracie proved being bigger and stronger dosent mean ish. Anynone can beat anyone but the question is who is the better fighter between Leo and Raph and imo it would be Leo (his overall skill and desrire to be the best) would beat Raph (his strength and berserker style) one on one.

*BabyTurtles* · 03-22-2014, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

But Raph is stronger and faster? And he knows about pressure points too? See, it's not so cut and dry as people like to think. I bet if you even got Donnie pissed off enough, he'd over power Leo and Raph as well. It depends on the circumstances.

that's why I say any of them could win. it just depends on who wants it more XD

kolaida · 03-22-2014, 06:22 PM

I'm tempted to say Leo simply because he studies and obsesses over it and it tactical and thinks things through. However, Raph seems to have very natural talent like Mikey. He just doesn't seem as interested in learning all the technical aspects of it like Leo.

Like others have said, I think it just depends on the circumstance, I think they are equally matched.

*Warhorse* · 03-26-2014, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kolaida

I'm tempted to say Leo simply because he studies and obsesses over it and it tactical and thinks things through. However, Raph seems to have very natural talent like Mikey. He just doesn't seem as interested in learning all the technical aspects of it like Leo.

Like others have said, I think it just depends on the circumstance, I think they are equally matched.

That's true about natural talent. I'm big into the equestrian circuit, and it just amazes me how we got people dumping mad money and years and years into expensive riding lessons, and they still got bad form, can't get the horse to do anything they are trying to get it to do, and here I am, maybe having 2 years of professional lessons when I was a kid, but after that, I just know how to ride a horse right and get it to do what ever I want, and I have been training them for 15 years, with nobody teaching me. I just know.

*BabyTurtles* · 03-26-2014, 10:07 PM

I think Mikey could kick all there butts!

.........if he trained as much as Leo......

*Warhorse* · 03-26-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I think Mikey could kick all there butts!

.........if he trained as much as Leo......

I swear, I read something like that in a magazine from the creators themselves, that Mikey would be the best, if he took himself a little seriously.

*BabyTurtles* · 03-26-2014, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

I swear, I read something like that in a magazine from the creators themselves, that Mikey would be the best, if he took himself a little seriously.

in the prequel Nick comic, Splinter says Mikey has lots of raw talent XD

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*Shark_Blade* · 03-27-2014, 04:01 AM

If you voted other than Leo, you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

What if they didn't have their weapons? No swords, no sais.

Darling, have you not seen TMNT 2007? Leo basically upper-punched Raph sky high. No weapons, no nothing. Just calm and collected.

"Funny thing about anger, you loose sight on everything"

"Come on bitch, is that all you got?"

ticktack · 03-27-2014, 05:16 AM

ok, alright, Leo could still be strong(even with his uppercockyproudness,toosureness) withought lowering/offending other's ego. But he did it, right? You know what he said "I'm better than you". Like, what?

*Shark_Blade* · 03-27-2014, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ticktack

ok, alright, Leo could still be strong(even with his uppercockyproudness,toosureness) withought lowering/offending other's ego. But he did it, right? You know what he said "I'm better than you". Like, what?

He is better than "you".

ticktack · 03-27-2014, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

He is better than "you".

who's who?

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You know what I think, if Leo was lecturing about who was wrong about something etc, he could have also find another time for that line. Like doesn't he have, know, feel some tact in situations: where~, when.

*Shark_Blade* · 03-27-2014, 07:01 PM

Raph defo.

*Warhorse* · 03-28-2014, 12:44 AM

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Raph defo.

But then, in that same scene, Raph nearly kills Leo with the sais. Like has been said, there is no clear cut answer. And what about the fight between Leo and Raph in the Mirage? Leo tried to stop Raph from leaving, and Raph just picked the dude up and flung him through a wall, knocking Leo the hell out.

And I guess Raph and Mikey are better, they can get sh!t done without being by the book and training 24/7! Leo has like no personality because all he does is train, and train and train, since he don't got the natural talent at fighting that the other 2 have.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-28-2014, 05:45 AM

I think it's close and that, in the moment, Raph could pull out a win if he simply had more of a reason to fight than Leo did. Whoever genuinely wants it more usually wins. But I think Leo is more skilled and more likely to win. It's implied that he trains more and studies more strategy than his brothers. They all had the same teacher, so, personal flair aside, they'd all have most of the same moves. I see Raph as being somewhat predictable, partly because he's less concerned with strategy and partly because he's so quick to anger, and people don't get creative when they're not thinking clearly.

I also kind of think if Leonardo ever had a good reason to be as angry as Raphael often is... for some reason, I think that'd be a whole lot more frightening. Say if, like, Raph somehow accidentally caused Splinter's death. Not only would Leo win that inevitable confrontation, I kind of don't think anyone would be ready for or expecting exactly what he'd be capable of doing, in that moment. I always kind of sense he has just as much anger as Raph, and just channels it better, but that if he ever lost that control, he'd be truly frightening.

I lean towards Leo overall and he's definitely a more skilled fighter, but upsets happen and if anyone could get one on him it'd be Raph.

03-26-2014, 10:07 PM	#25
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	I think Mikey could kick all there butts! .........if he trained as much as Leo...... __________________

03-22-2014, 06:22 PM	#23
kolaida Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 240	I'm tempted to say Leo simply because he studies and obsesses over it and it tactical and thinks things through. However, Raph seems to have very natural talent like Mikey. He just doesn't seem as interested in learning all the technical aspects of it like Leo. Like others have said, I think it just depends on the circumstance, I think they are equally matched.

03-27-2014, 05:16 AM	#29
ticktack Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 423	ok, alright, Leo could still be strong(even with his uppercockyproudness,toosureness) withought lowering/offending other's ego. But he did it, right? You know what he said "I'm better than you". Like, what?

03-27-2014, 07:01 PM	#32
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Raph defo.

03-28-2014, 05:45 AM	#34
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I think it's close and that, in the moment, Raph could pull out a win if he simply had more of a reason to fight than Leo did. Whoever genuinely wants it more usually wins. But I think Leo is more skilled and more likely to win. It's implied that he trains more and studies more strategy than his brothers. They all had the same teacher, so, personal flair aside, they'd all have most of the same moves. I see Raph as being somewhat predictable, partly because he's less concerned with strategy and partly because he's so quick to anger, and people don't get creative when they're not thinking clearly. I also kind of think if Leonardo ever had a good reason to be as angry as Raphael often is... for some reason, I think that'd be a whole lot more frightening. Say if, like, Raph somehow accidentally caused Splinter's death. Not only would Leo win that inevitable confrontation, I kind of don't think anyone would be ready for or expecting exactly what he'd be capable of doing, in that moment. I always kind of sense he has just as much anger as Raph, and just channels it better, but that if he ever lost that control, he'd be truly frightening. I lean towards Leo overall and he's definitely a more skilled fighter, but upsets happen and if anyone could get one on him it'd be Raph.