TMNT Counterparts

[Karpo_007]

The old cartoon Raph was changed from hothead to smartass.

[Knuckles]

Originally Posted by Krangfan

Actually Knuckles, I consider the original cartoon Raph to be kind of different from the other Raphs. Well, of course they're both all personality, but the original cartoon Raph didn't seem as "agressive" as the others.

Absolutely. Believe me, as a die-hard Raph fan, I know this--sorry, didn't make myself clear. I mentioned that the old cartoon's Raph was all attitude, what I meant with "that's beside the point," is that if someone had a team that didn't really have a toughguy, but they did have an angry/attitude guy, you could use that for a Raph counterpart. My main point with my last post was to say that the Mirage version of the turtles were indeed archetypes, and that depending on what you base your parallel on, it works.

[Maniax_God]

TMNT / Pulp Fiction

Leonardo / Winston Wolf
Rapheal / Butch
Mikey / Vincent
Dontello / Jules
April / Mrs. Mia Wallace
Shredder / Marcellus Wallace


Some of the relationships dont match up, but the personalites do...

[Reznorite420]

Originally Posted by impetus

Egon is the brainy smart guy(Donatello), but he is also the smart leader - more like Leonardo.

Ray doesn't seem Leonardish at all - to me, anyway. He's another crazy brainiac but silly guy - more like Don. Anyway, that's what I think.

Mike as Winston???
Mike = wisecracker = Peter.
Winston = "dont mess with me" = Raph.

Leonardo is kinda the medium of them all: not too brainy, not too ignorant, not too sarcastic, so Ray it is.

Mike is the most clueless of them all, so Winston it is.

Raph is the wittiest and most sarcastic of them all, so Peter it is.

[impetus]

fine...

[Tokka-B]

That's exactly why I liked the old toon better Karpo.

[Cascadia]

Both the old TMNT and new TMNT cartoon are good. But they are very different from one another, so you cannot really compare them. It is like comparing apples with oranges.

[Sparvid]

Oranges are way better than apples!

But then again, I'm allergic to apples so I'm a bit biased in that question...

[Karpo_007]

Originally Posted by Scienctific freak

Both the old TMNT and new TMNT cartoon are good. But they are very different from one another, so you cannot really compare them. It is like comparing apples with oranges.

Very true. This is no remake series like New he-man, it's totally diifrent thing. And the time gap is so big that the comparison would never be fair. Since I read Mirage, I have always tought that I would see those characters in a cartoon, and the new show comes very close!

[Shellfox]

Back to the real topic

X-Men Evolution
Mike- Nightcrawler or Spyke
Raph- Rouge or Wolvie
Don- Forge or beast
Leo- Cyclopse or Jean
Splinter- Prof X or Storm
April- Shadow Cat
Casey- Iceman or Gambit
Shredder- Magneto
Rocksteady- Blob
Bebop- Toad
Krang- Apicalips (can't spell)
Ninjara- Wolfsbane or magma
Lotus Blossum- Scarlet Witch
Mondo- Iceman

Swat Kats
Don- Razor (on all levels)
Raph- T Bone
Leo- Commander Farrel
Mike- Manx
Shredder- Dark Cat
Krang- Doc Viper
Hun- Mac Metalicat
Baxter- Molly Metalicat
Ninjara- Lt. Fallena Farrel
April- LT Gov. Callico Brigs
Splinter- Prof. Hackle
Metalhead- Cybertron
Turtle Van/Battle shell- Turbo Cat
Shell Cycle- Cycleatron

[heretic888]

Actually, while I started this with ALL TMNT incarnations in mind, (meaning, if necessary, you can mix & match versions) the Mirage turtles are total archetypal figures.

Not really. The main difference is the Mirage TMNT change over time.

Leonardo, be it official or unofficial, is the leader figure--Mirage or otherwise.

The position in the 'family' has nothing to do with his personality. I have seen agressive types or 'brainy' types being the leaders quite often.

Raphael is the hotheaded toughguy with an attitude--in the old cartoon, he was all attitude, but that's beside the point.

The difference is Raph realizes this and wants to change. Most of the 'hotheads' in these types of things don't. Raph is also more group- and family-oriented than most characters like that.

Donatello is the brainy one--scientific, intelligent, good with mechanical and electronic things.

That is only one facet of his character, and the most shallow one at that. People tend to neglect Don is also the 'philosophical one' or the 'withdrawn one' or the 'least clannish one' or the 'pacifistic one'...... they just equate him as 'the nerd'. He is not a stereotype.

Michelangelo is the lighthearted, fun-loving, funny, joker character--also artistic.

Minus the joker. If we are still talking about the Mirage types, the only times I can remember Mike pulling any jokes on anyone or making fun of anyone is less than five. Of course, as I said, they change over time and Mike becomes increasingly less 'joker' as the comic progresses.

Also, the 'artistic' side of his character is always added on, as if its sloppy second edition. Him being an artist is probably the major aspect of his character.

Besides, these aren't meant to be exact matches, (i.e., Bubbles doesn't need to play a guitar--she played drums, actually--to be like Mikey--she's the most lighthearted, sensitive, and childlike of the PPG, Mikey is the most lighthearted, sensitive, and childlike of the TMNT. If you want to go the artistic route--Mikey writes poems, Bubbles draws pictures) you merely have to find the closest match in any given team/group. It works pretty well most of the time.

Only if you match superficial characteristics. Mike writing poems and Bubbles drawing are in no way similar except on a superficial scale.

[Knuckles]

Originally Posted by heretic888

Mike writing poems and Bubbles drawing are in no way similar except on a superficial scale.

And that's exactly what this thread's about. I don't think anybody (at least not me) is trying to draw any in-depth comparisons. I said they didn't have to be exact matches. Question: Is Raph the most hot-headed member of the TMNT? Is that a significant and recogizable personality trait? Well if the answer is yes, (which it is) then is Wolverine the most hot-headed of the core X-Men? Is Buttercup the most hot-headed of the PPG? Well then, boom--you got a match. They do not have to be in sync with each other on every single level. I don't think we'll ever get a deep, character-exploring episode of the PPG where Buttercup is coming to terms with her temper, and gradually tries to tame it over the course of the series. That series doesn't lend itself to that. TMNT does, (the Mirage, and Mirage-based incarnations, anyway) so good for it. This is intended to be a fun topic where you can find cool matches between the TMNT and other comic/cartoon/whatever teams. Plus, though I still hold to my point that though the Mirage characters change, they still have their roots, and the versions that followed, (including even the old cartoon) may have changed things drastically, but they didn't make up character traits. Donatello was made the resident genius, for example. Well, he's the most intelligent of the turtles, and good with machines and the like. The creators of the old show didn't just make that up--they may have decided to focus ONLY on that, but that's because it was a very noticable trait in the original version. Leonardo showed leadership qualities, made leader decisions, and held himself responsible for his brothers. Therefore he became the leader figure. Raphael, (the most changed for the old cartoon) got his hothead/loner quality taken away, but they retained his bad attitude. Michelangelo is the most easy-going turtle, demonstrated in a number of ways, and thus on the cartoon, he was mellow and fun-loving. The point is, everyone is familiar with the roles the turtles take on, and they didn't just come from nowhere. Leo has leadership qualities the others do not. Raph is a toughguy with an attitude and prone to temper fits. Don is very intelligent and good with scientific topics. Mike is easy-going and fun-loving. Those are superficial points and do not reflect the entire characters' personalities, obviously. But that's enough for the purposes of this thread.

[Sparvid]

[quote="heretic888"]

If we are still talking about the Mirage types, the only times I can remember Mike pulling any jokes on anyone or making fun of anyone is less than five.

And then, of course, there are other instances where Turtles other than Mike has pulled jokes.

[Shellfox]

once more trying to get back on track

Angle
Raph- Angle
Leo- Wes
Casey- Gun
Mike- Lorn
Don- Fred
April- Cordy
Foot- Wolfram and Hart
Ninjara- Lady with the elecrtic skin
Splinter- Doyle or Powers that be
Null- Skip

[impetus]

I'd like to hear someone's comparison to the A-Team.
Raph = T, but how about the others?

How about Charlies Angels:
Angels - TMNT
Charlie - Splinter

[Anarchistguy]

Originally Posted by Shellfox

Back to the real topic


Swat Kats
Don- Razor (on all levels)

Why? Because they're voiced by the same guy?

[Karpo_007]

A little late, but just came in to mind...

Shredder: Pinky
Krang: Brain

What shall we do today Krang?

Same we do every day Shredder, we power up the Technodrome and take over the world!

[Shellfox]

Darkwing Duck
Leo- Darkwing
Don- Honker
Raph- Goslin (thats gunna be wierd)
Mike- Launchpad
Venus- Margana McCawber
Splinter- J Gander Hooter
Casey- Gizmo Duck
Slash- Negaduck
Shredder- Megavolt
Leatherhead- Neptunia
Metalhead- Stegmutt
Bebop- Bushroot
Baxter- Quacker Jack
Dragonlord- Liquidator

[Tinselcat]

Originally Posted by Shellfox

Darkwing Duck
Leo- Darkwing
Don- Honker
Raph- Goslin (thats gunna be wierd)
Mike- Launchpad
Venus- Margana McCawber
Splinter- J Gander Hooter
Casey- Gizmo Duck
Slash- Negaduck
Shredder- Megavolt
Leatherhead- Neptunia
Metalhead- Stegmutt
Bebop- Bushroot
Baxter- Quacker Jack
Dragonlord- Liquidator

I looooves Darkwing Duck! good analogy there, dude!! yay for ducks!

[kyabetsu]

Originally Posted by Tinselcat

Cowboy Bebop:
Raph: Faye (yes, Faye. I said Spike first, but then I thought about it.)
post-apocalyptic Leo: Spike (but less trigger-happy)
Don in 20 years: Jet
Mike with a head injury: Ed (hee hee hee...)

seee...
ED ... ed's a NUT but the character is also BLINDINGLY brilliant....

so i gotta say...
Don from the first movie with a headwound: Ed.
mike on pot: Jet from the mushroom episode.
Splinter with a headcold: Ein.

why splinter/ein? b/c they're both REALLY smart but hardly anyone actually understands the way they talk (fortune cookies/barking) and no one listens until the absolute LAST minute when the good advice saves the day....

uh. kinda...
yeah... it's a stretch.
but ein had to be SOME body... and splinter's furry like ein too. heh.