The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[Lou 500]

Originally Posted by Jester

It's all based on this poster:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...9784688821.jpg

ARGH WHY DIDN'T THIS HAPPEN?! The premise looks awesome.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Anyone know where it is? I saw The Black Nerd did a review but I couldn't find it.

Hmm. Intentional resemblence?

[Bry]

Anyone look closely at the glasses Donatello is wearing?

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Wow lol...

"Wow lol", meaning...?

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by vortex1310

Hmmm, interesting new shots.

I don't think my opinion has changed, I am still highly disappointed with the look of the turtles. The aesthetic to me is everything, but I am open to the "energy" of the movie. It seems to be hitting those well-worn action movie notes so I'm not hopeful but I do try to appreciate they are even giving this franchise another go.

I just still can't decide whether to support the movie or not by going to the theater.

This is me. I'm open to the story and the atmosphere, and I have no problems with exploding crap and TMNT being more brawlers than Ninjas, but like you, their aesthetic make up is everything to me, so that definitely dips the scale to the negative for me.

I'll probably go see it in the theater. My hope is, the movie opens big in it's debut weekend, but because the looks are so revolting, the next week and so on drop sharply, and hopefully the studio heads take note that there is interest, just don't change the dynamic so much for the sake of change to the point that it alienates the fans who made the property so popular to begin with.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Bry

Anyone look closely at the glasses Donatello is wearing?

http://i.imgflip.com/8ivli.jpg



"Wow lol", meaning...?

All Raphs doing there is opening his mouth. That's it. Its the lighting, camera angle and the scream that make that shot effective. And I don't get how anyone can say that these designs are "Lazy".. If anything it looks like they worked hard on them.. but didn't know when to stop. Like any passionate artist.. You can ruin a work of art if you don't know when to walk away from it. I get that some may not like it.. but imo calling someone else's work "Laziness" or a "lack of effort" just isn't right.. I think cutting and pasting the same puppet faces from 24 years ago would be a " lack of effort" but that's just me..The design guy actually created a profile on here, he's actually a really nice guy. I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to understand that they are teenagers. Don't any of you remember what it was like when we were teenagers? Don't you remember High school? How acentric some were at that age? Teenagers love to go over board when expressing themselves. They're trying to find themselves. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but If you guys would just try to look past all of the controversy and nostalgia and see that there is true talent in what they've done.. Instead I see every page being bombarded with the same stupid jokes when people know how passionate some are about this film. I wonder if that is intentional? Honestly.. I am embarrassed to call myself a Ninja Turtles fan.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

All Raphs doing there is opening his mouth. That's it. Its the lighting, camera angle and the scream that make that shot effective.

He's opening his mouth and his brow is furrowed and tense. I'm not saying it's complicated, but it works. Also check the Turtles' reactions after their vision from Splinter. Those faces manage to sell the emotion.

The point is, those animatronic puppet faces from 1990 were able to convincingly portray several very different emotions, and actually rather well. I'm not saying that modern CGI can't do more - in fact, I specifically said it could! - but that the argument that the faces had to be redesigned to look more "human" for the sake of emoting is a flawed one. We know that isn't true. If the '90 Henson faces could emote effectively, there's no reason that general facial design couldn't work all the better with modern technology. Again, though - that would take a lot more work, developing a more "inhuman" facial structure, than just patterning them over human actor's faces.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

And I don't get how anyone can say that these designs are "Lazy".. If anything it looks like they worked hard on them.. but didn't know when to stop. Like any passionate artist.. You can ruin a work of art if you don't know when to walk away from it.

I'm not saying that the artists and animators on this movie haven't worked very hard. I'm certain they have. I just think the facial designs themselves are lazy. It's my opinion.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I get that some may not like it.. but imo calling someone else's work "Laziness" or a "lack of effort" just isn't right.. I think cutting and pasting the same puppet faces from 24 years ago would be a " lack of effort" but that's just me..

That's not what I'm suggesting, and that's not even how it works. I'm suggesting that developing/mapping out a whole new facial structure that captures the look of the Turtles as they've always been while also making them more expressive and impressive-looking than ever before would have been the ideal option. The route they went is lazier, IMO.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

The design guy actually created a profile on here, he's actually a really nice guy.

I'm sure he is! I'm not saying a thing about him personally. But you can criticize something that someone has worked on without it being taken as a personal attack.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to understand that they are teenagers. Don't any of you remember what it was like when we were teenagers? Don't you remember High school? How acentric some were at that age? Teenagers love to go over board when expressing themselves. They're trying to find themselves.

How many teenagers did you know that walked around with goggles, a gaming headseat, headphones, taped-up nerd glasses, techy metal armour plates, and some kind of tech-proton pack with cameras and random devices sticking out of their back at all times?

I don't think anybody's saying you can't give the Turtles some individual expressive flair. But these designs - Donatello's especially - are completely over the top. My concern is that it's just a lazy way to establish character traits without actually doing the work with proper characterization and development.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but If you guys would just try to look past all of the controversy and nostalgia and see that there is true talent in what they've done.. Instead I see every page being bombarded with the same stupid jokes when people know how passionate some are about this film. I wonder if that is intentional? Honestly.. I am embarrassed to call myself a Ninja Turtles fan.

See, this is the problem, and this is why these boards keep erupting into arguments - people who can't seem to accept others' opinions for what they are, and in response get emotional and personal and/or try to "shame" others for expressing them.

Not everybody has to agree with you. Not everybody has to think this movie and its designs look good because you happen to be on board. If you don't like or agree with someone else's opinion, you don't have to respond to it or challenge them. You can just move on.

[Shark_Blade]

I think Mikey looks epic, tying his bandana (like in tmntmikey23's avatar).

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Bry

He's opening his mouth and his brow is furrowed and tense. I'm not saying it's complicated, but it works. Also check the Turtles' reactions after their vision from Splinter. Those faces manage to sell the emotion.

The point is, those animatronic puppet faces from 1990 were able to convincingly portray several very different emotions, and actually rather well. I'm not saying that modern CGI can't do more - in fact, I specifically said it could! - but that the argument that the faces had to be redesigned to look more "human" for the sake of emoting is a flawed one. We know that isn't true. If the '90 Henson faces could emote effectively, there's no reason that general facial design couldn't work all the better with modern technology. Again, though - that would take a lot more work developing an more "inhuman" facial structure than just patterning them over human actor's faces.



I'm not saying that the artists and animators on this movie haven't worked very hard. I'm certain they have. I just think the facial designs themselves are lazy. It's my opinion.



That's not what I'm suggesting, and that's not even how it works. I'm suggesting that developing/mapping out a whole new facial structure that captures the look of the Turtles as they've always been while also making them more expressive and impressive-looking than ever before would have been the ideal option. The route they went is lazier, IMO.



I'm sure he is! I'm not saying a thing about him personally. But you can criticize something that someone has worked on without it being taken as a personal attack.



How many teenagers did you know that walked around with goggles, a gaming headseat, headphones, taped-up nerd glasses, techy metal armour plates, and some kind of tech-proton pack with cameras and random devices sticking out of their back at all times?

I don't think anybody's saying you can't give the Turtles some individual expressive flair. But these designs - Donatello's especially - are completely over the top. My concern is that it's just a lazy way to establish character traits without actually doing the work with proper characterization and development.



See, this is the problem, and this is why these boards keep erupting into arguments - people who can't seem to accept others' opinions for what they are, and in response get emotional and personal and/or try to "shame" others for expressing them.

Not everybody has to agree with you. Not everybody has to think this movie looks good because you happen to be on board. If you don't like someone else's opinion, you don't have to respond to it or challenge them. You can just move on.

I thought I said in my post that people are entitled to their opinion? my bad. And I think im allowed to have an opinion on other peoples opinions as long as im not being nasty no? As I put on the top of my post " I mean no offense Bryan" Im not running around my apartment screaming or anything lol I was just stating my own thoughts on the things I've been reading here and when I read the part in your post that you thought the designs were " laziness" I felt compelled to address it. I never said it was an attack either.. I said I didn't think it was right considering the complexity of it. I didn't think it was a fair criticism imo. I wasn't out of line or uncivilized. I do think all of the jokes everywhere are a bit obnoxious but whatever.. My posts have been challenged relentlessly so.. it is what it is. I never said anyone had to agree with me. I made a suggestion. A fair one at that. Your right, If I don't like someone's opinion I don't have to respond.. But if I disagree with it I have every right too now don't I.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

One thing to note is that, This trailer is being referred to as a 3D trailer, So hopefully they will have it in 3D in front of showings of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 this weekend.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

I went to a 3D showing of ASM2 tonight and they showed this trailer but it wasn't in 3D. I figured it would be.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

odd they seeing as they're calling the 3d trailer WHo knows

Went to a 3D showing of ASM2, and they had the trailer in 3D! Looked sweet on the big screen, and now I may actually see TMNT in 3D. I liked what I saw. And, from what I heard around me, people seemed excited.

(Also, really liked ASM2. I really don't agree with the critics on this one, even though if I had to nitpick, sure, I would change some things, but it's like that with all movies. Okay, anyway...)

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by Jester

It's all based on this poster:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...9784688821.jpg

I actually didn't really like the looks of the turtles in the 2k3 movie. They look more like a gecko or some type of lizard.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

All Raphs doing there is opening his mouth. That's it. Its the lighting, camera angle and the scream that make that shot effective. And I don't get how anyone can say that these designs are "Lazy".. If anything it looks like they worked hard on them.. but didn't know when to stop. Like any passionate artist.. You can ruin a work of art if you don't know when to walk away from it. I get that some may not like it.. but imo calling someone else's work "Laziness" or a "lack of effort" just isn't right.. I think cutting and pasting the same puppet faces from 24 years ago would be a " lack of effort" but that's just me..The design guy actually created a profile on here, he's actually a really nice guy. I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to understand that they are teenagers. Don't any of you remember what it was like when we were teenagers? Don't you remember High school? How acentric some were at that age? Teenagers love to go over board when expressing themselves. They're trying to find themselves. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but If you guys would just try to look past all of the controversy and nostalgia and see that there is true talent in what they've done.. Instead I see every page being bombarded with the same stupid jokes when people know how passionate some are about this film. I wonder if that is intentional? Honestly.. I am embarrassed to call myself a Ninja Turtles fan.

I wouldn't call it lazy, more like compensating, it's like they couldn't write their personalities wery well so they threw a bunch of crap on them to make their personalities more in line with what they couldn't write...

[Radical Raph]

Some other poster in another forum have pointed out what looks like eyes inside the Shredder helmet:

[MastahShredder]

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...1&postcount=67



I thought the same thing.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Yeah, because the Main Item that helps him See Clearly, especially as a Martial Artist being trained to protect himself and his family, is not that important...

But hey, if not being able to see that well during a battle/fight (and if you are training for years and years, you know that sooner or later you'll have to protect yourself let alone your family) because of your flimsy glasses that are just put together by tape isn't That important, then I guess I am just mistaken.

Guys, the point is he made the glasses that way to fit his head. Otherwise they wouldn't work.

[Radical Raph]

I can see glimpses of the actors in the other turtles, but I don't really see this guy in Donnie...



When I first saw he was playing Donnie, I was worried they were going to make him too goofy looking, no offense to the actor, but I'm glad they didn't.

[MastahShredder]

Listen to this interview knowing what we know now. He seems to really skirt around the Shredder ordeal. He never once mentions he plays Shredder. However, he probably does and it's an Iron Man suit based on his comments.



"Yeah, well, Eric Sach's or, Oroku Saki..the original Shredder..or so I'm told and I've read."

"They're are guys who become Shredder. That's also my understanding of it. So when Shredder becomes Shredder in this movie, it gets into the real back-story of his fascination with..and I can't give away too much but it gets into his deep fascination of armor and who is the Shredder who he creates. Anybody could play Shredder when they put the Shredder suit on. I don't care if it's an actor that's 5' tall. He's going to be Shredder and Shredder is a bad dude."

My take is Sach's creates the hero and he creates the villain with a tech suit.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...1&postcount=67

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7019/1...9b28810f_z.jpg

I thought the same thing.

I could be over analyzing here, but do those eyes look Asian to you?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

Guys, the point is he made the glasses that way to fit his head. Otherwise they wouldn't work.

But it still makes him look pretty ridiculous, imo.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

I could be over analyzing here, but do those eyes look Asian to you?

They know fans are extremely pissed off that they think Shredder is not Japanese. Maybe Saki is tied in with Karai and together they create the Shredder suit. They did say we are going to be surprised and wouldn't say yes or no if Oroku Saki is in the film. I think we'll get some kind of reveal..one way or another.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

Guys, the point is he made the glasses that way to fit his head. Otherwise they wouldn't work.

The point is, he shouldn't be wearing glasses period!

[UGHShellshocked]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

Some other poster in another forum have pointed out what looks like eyes inside the Shredder helmet:

https://imageshack.us/a/img838/2408/fvpk.jpg

This scene might be a dream sequence and that is Oroko Saki trying to persuade Sachs to put the suit on.

Sachs might be a good guy for all we know and each time he puts on the suit he gets more and more addicted to the powers that Oroko Saki gives him.

Think of it being like the ring in LOTR every time one puts it on they become even more addicted to it.