The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[Garfield]

Those designs are just living up to looking like crap.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

The crazy part is If this was just a fan creation On a big budget block bust it would be fine "awe man the an awesome new take on the turtle"
"i like this realistic approach"
"it cool to see something like this"
(all Similar comments I've seen on ten tons of differen Reventions and revamped Turtle concepts)

Instead we get alot of
"make it like the 90's costumes"
"why aren'tr they cute"
"why to they have nostrils"
"why to they have lips"
"there to crowed"

Thing that weren't ever and issue in the Fan version are now Pissed on. And really

They guy who help create these concepts HUGE turtle fan Probably spent close to a year or more worth of working to the concepts alone, Hour digitally sketching and modeling and designing. Day in day out HARD WORK, to have a bunch of people (not all but many)
"It not like the old ones change it back"

You never seen comments like that on someone elses art EVER. this is a different turtle Universe it's its own thing. Yeah you can disagree with it but really what loads of people are doing is disagreement is outright Mob mentality BURN IT TO THE GROUND type thinking.

I appreciate your optimism but maybe there isn't much of an uproar for fan films because we know that they're just that, fan films. This new movie is the real deal. We expect them to get it right so there's no reason to have bad Shrek-like character designs and a shoddy story if the leaked script is any indication.

As far as the guy designing the TMNT for this movie, that's all fine and dandy but they could've clearly picked someone else with a better vision or simply not approve whatever he churned out. It doesn't matter how big of a fan you are. it doesn't give anyone a free pass to put out less than stellar character designs. Maybe in his mind they were great or maybe the higher ups directing him thought it was great but only time will tell if they missed the mark.

[BabyTurtles]

:3 it's nice to hear the boys talk....I think we heard all the turtle voices except for Leo.

I also want to see how April is going to be like...(in personality) ^_^ can't wait for more~

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

:3 it's nice to hear the boys talk....I think we heard all the turtle voices except for Leo.

I also want to see how April is going to be like...(in personality) ^_^ can't wait for more~

you can actually hear Leo's voice, albeit brief in the clip - the Turtles are getting dragged away in an alley, Mikey calls out to him saying "...where's Raph?" to which Leo replies "MIKEY!"

i know its only one word...or one name in this case, but I liked the contrast of Leo's voice to Mikey's (pitch, tone, etc) which was why I was so disappointed to hear that the original actor had been replaced. by knoxville of all people, but thats another thread entirely.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Well, no, you hear the mo-cap actor yell Mikey, but that's not the voice actor so it doesn't count.

Also with all the discussions of "keep the look simple" versus "it makes sense for them to emulate human culture" I just got a laugh watching the original cartoon's first episode again.

"Hey April, why do humans wanna make themselves look dumber than they already do?" - Raphael

And is it just me, or does TMNTMikey's avatar pic of Mike look like they lightened the coloring on his lips compared to the original "it's just a mask" of them? If so, I'd be really happy. My problem with the lips isn't so much the lips themselves, it's that they're so pronounced it looks like they had a model makeup team give them "fuller, more colorful pouty lips." You lighten the color and smooth them and they wouldn't be too distracting.

Now if they'd just smooth out the nose being such a noticeable protrusion rather than having something more in between beak and nose (with nostrils kept) and I could dig the new faces 95%.

SIDENOTE: If English is your second language, I forgive you. If it's not....c'mon people. Proofread your post before you click "post." Some typos are fine, but broken English, no grammar, no punctuation, AND misspelling makes my English degree shrivel in the other room and breaks my brain when I'm read--no, when I'm deciphering them. Again, if English isn't your first language, I have no qualms with you.

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Wasn't the entire original comic geared towards young adults and not kids???
The tone and style is based on Frank Miller's Ronin and Daredevil work. They even went as far to name the Ninja clan the "Foot" to mimic the Electra ninja organization "The Hand"

So I personally don't believe TMNT is geared solely towards kids

Don't forget the turtles creation was written as if it were a side effect of how Matt Murdock got his powers too!

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

SIDENOTE: If English is your second language, I forgive you. If it's not....c'mon people. Proofread your post before you click "post." Some typos are fine, but broken English, no grammar, no punctuation, AND misspelling makes my English degree shrivel in the other room and breaks my brain when I'm read--no, when I'm deciphering them. Again, if English isn't your first language, I have no qualms with you.

No lie, I find myself quite frequently looking at posts on these forums and saying to myself, "What the sweet flippin' hell was that person trying to say?"

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I really do not understand someone comparing a Fan Film to a $125 million Hollywood/Studio picture.

Fan Films/Fan Art are made for the passion and for the Love of it.

This film? For the Money. Plain and simple. Super Hero Films are huge at the box office, so make them more like Super Heroes. Transformer films were successful, so take as many stuff from them as possible. Why? To Make Money.

Fan Films and Studio-Made Films are Two COMPLETELY different things.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

I really do not understand someone comparing a Fan Film to a $125 million Hollywood/Studio picture.

Fan Films/Fan Art are made for the passion and for the Love of it.

This film? For the Money. Plain and simple. Super Hero Films are huge at the box office, so make them more like Super Heroes. Transformer films were successful, so take as many stuff from them as possible. Why? To Make Money.

Fan Films and Studio-Made Films are Two COMPLETELY different things.

And utter insanity and/or stupidity from the producer of a film.

"He [Superman] has to fight a giant spider in the third act."

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

And utter insanity and/or stupidity from the producer of a film.

"He [Superman] has to fight a giant spider in the third act."

"I don't want him in that Suit. I don't want him to Fly. And I want him to Fight a Giant Spider in the Third Act...which will be called a Thanagarian SnareBeast. Also, can't Brainiac have a little robot sidekick? And also can we have Brainiac wrestle a Polar Bear, because polar bears are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom?"

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Well, no, you hear the mo-cap actor yell Mikey, but that's not the voice actor so it doesn't count.

SIDENOTE: If English is your second language, I forgive you. If it's not....c'mon people. Proofread your post before you click "post." Some typos are fine, but broken English, no grammar, no punctuation, AND misspelling makes my English degree shrivel in the other room and breaks my brain when I'm read--no, when I'm deciphering them. Again, if English isn't your first language, I have no qualms with you.

yes, and that mo-cap actor was Pete Plozek, who up until recently, was not only the mo-cap actor, but the voice actor as well. the poster to whom I was responding to said they had wanted to hear Leo's voice, so I was attempting to give 'em a taste of what he would have sounded like, provided they didnt replace him. unfortunately, they did.

and honestly, referring to your english degree, and willingness to forgive people if english is their second language, comes across as really pretentious. just because another person's command of the english language isnt as strong as yours, they should not be chastised for it or be made to feel bad about it. imagine if you just discouraged a person from posting again because they felt embarassed - I personally don't think that would be cool at all.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

yes, and that mo-cap actor was Pete Plozek, who up until recently, was not only the mo-cap actor, but the voice actor as well. the poster to whom I was responding to said they had wanted to hear Leo's voice, so I was attempting to give 'em a taste of what he would have sounded like, provided they didnt replace him. unfortunately, they did.

and honestly, referring to your english degree, and willingness to forgive people if english is their second language, comes across as really pretentious. just because another person's command of the english language isnt as strong as yours, they should not be chastised for it or be made to feel bad about it. imagine if you just discouraged a person from posting again because they felt embarassed - I personally don't think that would be cool at all.

LOVE YOUR BANNER its sick

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Walkabout

Actually, it's not an "argument"...the fact of the matter is in the trailers for this movie it does not mention Liebesman at all, it says (in bold print) FROM PRODUCER MICHAEL BAY.
That is not up for debate my friend, it's not my opinion or argument-it's fact.

Is it M'. Bay's "fault"?
That part is open to speculation, but as far as the trailer for TMNT goes it is being promoted as a Michael Bay film, so it's perfectly reasonable that people are attributing it to Michael Bay.
So it is ABSOLUTELY NO SUPRISE AT ALL that people are "blaming" Michael Bay, as it is being billed as a MICHEAL BAY FILM.

Just an read an article on comicbookmovie.com where they interview one of the costume designers for the Amazing Spiderman 2 - they asked him what others projects has coming down the line, and he responded:



in truth, I have been wondering where Liebsman is, and why he has been silent - but if the crew themselves are referring to it as MBay's Turtles, I think its a sign of who really was in charge...I may not like it, but unfortunately it is, what it is.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

and honestly, referring to your english degree, and willingness to forgive people if english is their second language, comes across as really pretentious. just because another person's command of the english language isnt as strong as yours, they should not be chastised for it or be made to feel bad about it. imagine if you just discouraged a person from posting again because they felt embarassed - I personally don't think that would be cool at all.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying is if English is their second language, then no worries. Totally understand if there's some lost in translation.

My problem is people who speak English as their first, or only, language and the post is practically indecipherable. And I've noted a number of posts that are confusing seem less like a language issue and more of a rushed post without checking it before hitting submit, particularly because some posts are clear and make sense, then others are like crazy talk!

I'm just asking people to please proofread before they submit. T_T

[Sumac]

and honestly, referring to your english degree, and willingness to forgive people if english is their second language, comes across as really pretentious.

It's not pretentious at all. It's much easier to talk with people, when you don't need to decifer what they trying to say. Justification of illiteracy leads only to more illiteracy.
If you know, that you grip on the language is not perfect and after you have been told so, you think it was unjusitfied bulling, you seriously need reality check.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Sumac

If you know, that you grip on the language is not perfect and after you have been told so, you think it was unjusitfied bulling, you seriously need reality check.

I'm trying to "decifer" what this sentence means, but can't for the life of me.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying is if English is their second language, then no worries. Totally understand if there's some lost in translation.

My problem is people who speak English as their first, or only, language and the post is practically indecipherable. And I've noted a number of posts that are confusing seem less like a language issue and more of a rushed post without checking it before hitting submit, particularly because some posts are clear and make sense, then others are like crazy talk!

I'm just asking people to please proofread before they submit. T_T

Originally Posted by Sumac

It's not pretentious at all. It's much easier to talk with people, when you don't need to decifer what they trying to say. Justification of illiteracy leads only to more illiteracy.
If you know, that you grip on the language is not perfect and after you have been told so, you think it was unjusitfied bulling, you seriously need reality check.

I have nothing against having a clear, well typed, easy to understand conversation - but considering the medium by which we are communicating, the internet, I think its asking a little too much, from a place that spawned a whole subset of communication devoted to various smiley faces, and emoticons. People have basically gotten used to typing quickly and hitting send, its the time we live in.

Now...to speak to both your points, I agree with you. Because we have not held people accountable to basic things like grammar, its the reason we have fallen into disarray, not just as a small internet community, but as a society as a whole - I used to work in a call center, populated by grown adults, who would call their supervisor to ask how to spell basic words (ie. communicate) no joke, and I would find myself shaking my head.

but...the reason I wrote my first post, was because, I never said anything during my time in that call center, because for all I knew my co-worker didnt have the education level that I did. and maybe, just maybe, asking their supervisor for assistance on basic grammar was super embarrassing for them. thats all im saying.

does it suck to have to decipher certain posts? yes, we are NOT disagreeing there.

i just feel bad, knowing that some people post the way they do, not because they aren't proofreading, but because they genuinely don't know any better.

just so you know SWIFT - i do agree that people SHOULD take the time to proofread their posts, as a courtesy to others who may read it, BUT i just know that for some people, no amount of proofreading will help because they dont know any better, thats all i meant.

but I've said enough, ill get off my soap box...

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

I used to work in a call center, populated by grown adults, who would call their supervisor to ask how to spell basic words (ie. communicate) no joke, and I would find myself shaking my head.

If not for spell check being built into Microsoft Office, I'm not convinced my best friend would be capable of daily communication at work. He can't spell to save his life!

[Candy Kappa]

It's a bit funny reading some forum members posts, who have English as their first language write worse then my crummy English.

I always have Spell check installed, cause sometimes I forget how some words spell.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Walkabout

Yeah, please.

Instead of getting angry at people here (who despite not liking the new designs are obviously fans of the TMNT, hence being on a TMNT forum) go look at what real "casuals" or movie critics are saying about this movie and Michael Bay in general, you will see that the "haters" of this film here are being pretty damn respectful about it for the most part.

Well.. Those same "critics" and "casuals" tore apart a classic back in 1990. Honestly.. I could give a rats a** what critics have to say, no pun intended. Usually hating on something extremely successful seems to be common place in the world of social media these days. My girlfriend always before seeing a movie says to me " No! the reviews were terrible" and most of the time its a great film, or it gets a 90+ rating and is absolutely terrible.. I like to experience something on my own rather than allowing others to think for me by adopting their opinions. Plus everyone is different. I disagree when you say that the "haters" here are being "pretty damn respectful".. If we are reading the same forum id say that some people here have been completely obnoxious, irrational and DISrespectful. On both sides

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Why is no one blaming the guy that wrote the script? Seems to me most of the problems stem from that as well as whoever designed the TMNT. Give credit where it's due I say.

Never blame the screenwriter, or at the very least, never solely blame the screenwriter. This is for many reasons, but the biggest one being that in contemporary, commercial films, such as this, the credited writer is far from the only writer on the film. Often with big budget studio films, there are many cooks in the kitchen. The producers and big wig execs can and often will force their input, and often script doctors (the ghost writers of the film industry) are brought in to either compartmentalize on-the-go, mid-production writing or to take over the duties of the credited writer(s) who might've moved on to the next thing. Heck, some of the big name actors might even bring in their own writers to personalize their role to meet their personality. Bruce Willis has been said to do this.

Also, as majestic of a role such as being a screenwriter might sound, it is not. Your creative input is often limited. Your intents, such as tone and delivery of dialogue, can easily be overlooked or purposefully ignored. You might write a role with having a smart, female lead in mind, but since you're not usually involved with casting decisions, that character might be cast to be ditzy, helpless, and almost useless, in the name of sex appeal and name value. What you do can easily be over-written, and will be.

Dialogue and sometimes entire scenes are often changed or even completely made up on set. Plus, even if you do happen to be one of those rare screenwriters who do manage to have a strong creative voice, you are still not the end all-be all of the production. Even then, say the director, producer, big wig studio execs followed your lousy script word for word, they are still to blame since they were the ones who gave it life.