The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb

Never blame the screenwriter, or at the very least, never solely blame the screenwriter. This is for many reasons, but the biggest one being that in contemporary, commercial films, such as this, the credited writer is far from the only writer on the film. Often with big budget studio films, there are many cooks in the kitchen. The producers and big wig execs can and often will force their input, and often script doctors (the ghost writers of the film industry) are brought in to either compartmentalize on-the-go, mid-production writing or to take over the duties of the credited writer(s) who might've moved on to the next thing. Heck, some of the big name actors might even bring in their own writers to personalize their role to meet their personality. Bruce Willis has been said to do this.

Also, as majestic of a role such as being a screenwriter might sound, it is not. Your creative input is often limited. Your intents, such as tone and delivery of dialogue, can easily be overlooked or purposefully ignored. You might write a role with having a smart, female lead in mind, but since you're not usually involved with casting decisions, that character might be cast to be ditzy, helpless, and almost useless, in the name of sex appeal and name value. What you do can easily be over-written, and will be.

Dialogue and sometimes entire scenes are often changed or even completely made up on set. Plus, even if you do happen to be one of those rare screenwriters who do manage to have a strong creative voice, you are still not the end all-be all of the production. Even then, say the director, producer, big wig studio execs followed your lousy script word for word, they are still to blame since they were the ones who gave it life.

Nowhere is this aparent as in the Amazing Spiderman 2, it's a movie that feels like it's written by 9 diferent people with studio watching them every step of the way. It's the same situation here, The real person to blame is the producer and the studio...

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

irk just idiots i guess

you forgot to say "no offends" before you called us idiots, idiot...

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Nowhere is this aparent as in the Amazing Spiderman 2, it's a movie that feels like it's written by 9 diferent people with studio watching them every step of the way. It's the same situation here, The real person to blame is the producer and the studio...

I enjoyed that movie, but it was very flawed, and, yes, it certainly felt like a film with too many cooks in the kitchen.

From a certain standpoint, I get where the studio execs are coming from. After all, not only is filmmaking a business, but an export. Believe it or not, film is one of the United States' biggest exports. So essentially, they are creating, branding, and selling a product. And, contrary to certain opinions, being a product doesn't mean it can't be art, but being art doesn't mean it can't be fun.

The problem is the big wigs are often completely out of touch with reality, and such a non-discreet interference impairs the verisimilitude of a movie, and in the case of The Amazing Spiderman 2, that meant cramming so much in, that everything as a whole felt undercooked, while certain elements, such as some of Electro's earlier scenes and the entirety of Rhino's screen time, completely clashed with the vibe and style of the rest of the film.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Nowhere is this aparent as in the Amazing Spiderman 2, it's a movie that feels like it's written by 9 diferent people with studio watching them every step of the way. It's the same situation here, The real person to blame is the producer and the studio...

Off-topic, but man was that frustrating. There was so much that ASM2 got so right, and so much that just felt so bloated, under-developed and meddled with that it was just a weird, uneven experience overall. If they let the same overall story play out over two shorter movies, they could have been great ones. As-is, I still enjoyed ASM2 quite a bit, but its potential was hobbled by some of the decisions made, likely by the higher-ups.

The reason the Marvel movies worked so well is because the executives and the filmmakers showed some restraint and let things develop at the right pace. Considering what they're already setting up in the second movie of the ASM franchise, it doesn't seem like Sony has learned that lesson very well.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

irk just idiots i guess

Yeah...kinda like a guy who was temp banned not long ago using inflamitory "rhetoric" like that. Tone it down, Mikey.

[Puddinpop]

I was looking at Leo earlier today and just thought to myself.. Damn, I just cant get over how awesome and stoic he looks. All of them. I think its different.. its refreshing. They don't look like cutie cuddly cartoon characters anymore. They look like freaky mutated Humanoid Turtles. There is a reason why April always faints at the sight of them. They are not supposed to be comfortable to look at what so ever and this team nailed it. The nostrils, eyes, head shape just resemble a turtle. When I look at Leos eyes in that HD close up picture when he lands on the brick wall.. They look real. The CGI is so badass. They've created their own version, they had every right too btw. When I think about the possible plot and tone for this reboot I think this new edgy look will work very well. Just seeing them.. Splinter, Shredder all of them on the big screen will be such an amazing experience. I cant friggin wait to see Splinter charge at Shredder and swing his katana at him ( SPARKS FLY EVERYWHERE) its going to be so EPIC. I know some really hate what they've seen so far but I'm hoping that some of you are able to enjoy it, at least a little. I get goose bumps every time I watch the trailer. I hope we get a sequel with Dimension X and the Technodrome and maybe even Bebop and Rocksteady. Hell yea.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't really see a whole lot of "turtle" in those designs. There's a shell sure, but looking at the trailer the plastron and carapace don't look connected with a shell bridge. Their faces are Sapien and not Chelonian enough to be "realistic turtle mutant"

If anything, I'd say they are man-tortoise with the size of those shells. And I am a bit disappointed to see how bland the colors are in the texturing job is, especially given the slight hint of a paint job in the Promo Poster and the amazing coloring job done in the OotS game. The textures them selves are nicely done, great bump mapping for sure. And the CG models move decently enough and are well integrated, they look like they are there in the movie.

Their eyes are very well done the light reflects very nicely in them.

And, give the set designs. I do like the attention for detail worked into the designs, like Mikey's pukka bead necklace is missing. Bead in the chain.

And I am a bit sadden to see April faint again, I thought we here over with that sexist sh*t, but. Maybe there is an extra explanation for it.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I don't really see a whole lot of "turtle" in those designs. There's a shell sure, but looking at the trailer the plastron and carapace don't look connected with a shell bridge. Their faces are Sapien and not Chelonian enough to be "realistic turtle mutant"

If anything, I'd say they are man-tortoise with the size of those shells. And I am a bit disappointed to see how bland the colors are in the texturing job is, especially given the slight hint of a paint job in the Promo Poster and the amazing coloring job done in the OotS game. The textures them selves are nicely done, great bump mapping for sure. And the CG models move decently enough and are well integrated, they look like they are there in the movie.

Their eyes are very well done the light reflects very nicely in them.

And, give the set designs. I do like the attention for detail worked into the designs, like Mikey's pukka bead necklace is missing. Bead in the chain.

And I am a bit sadden to see April faint again, I thought we here over with that sexist sh*t, but. Maybe there is an extra explanation for it.

You know Kappa.. I know judging by your past posts that your not too enthused about this film, But I really appreciate your fairness and honesty.. Im also sick of seeing that same shot, they need a new closing shot. Most of all I am SICK of seeing her holding Raphs sai. Im guessing sometime in June well get a third trailer.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb

I enjoyed that movie, but it was very flawed, and, yes, it certainly felt like a film with too many cooks in the kitchen.

From a certain standpoint, I get where the studio execs are coming from. After all, not only is filmmaking a business, but an export. Believe it or not, film is one of the United States' biggest exports. So essentially, they are creating, branding, and selling a product. And, contrary to certain opinions, being a product doesn't mean it can't be art, but being art doesn't mean it can't be fun.

The problem is the big wigs are often completely out of touch with reality, and such a non-discreet interference impairs the verisimilitude of a movie, and in the case of The Amazing Spiderman 2, that meant cramming so much in, that everything as a whole felt undercooked, while certain elements, such as some of Electro's earlier scenes and the entirety of Rhino's screen time, completely clashed with the vibe and style of the rest of the film.

Sadly, business men are destroying every aspect of our society. It's mostly because everything is all about profits and money, not the love and passion behind the projects. In the past, in the very distant past, films were written, produced, directed and acted by people who truly had a passion for the craft. Now, business men, who just buy out studios and patent rights, care less about the passion, and only the bottom dollar. Instead of looking what made such properties a hit, they tend to look at statistics, and graphs, to help make up their minds on how things should be done, instead of getting off their ass in their fancy offices and getting their hands dirty on the project itself so they can see what they are truly investing their money in.

[#MechaFresh]

Anyone notice TMNT 2014 is missing from Danny Woodburn's IMDB Filmography? Just wondering...

[TigerClaw]

Gonna go see The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Hopefully they have the new trailer with it, And I hope in 3D.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

irk just idiots i guess

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

and Spielberg IS producer Halo and and produced Transformers

And what about the countless other "producers" whos name are attached but dont to Jack for the production other then add a name

You know how many time you see from producer "blank" and they have next to no input what so ever.

This argument is old and flawed.

Again, when the producer is the only person getting top billing in the trailer, and it has all the hallmarks of his films in the visuals, and the cast has people from his films that are good friends, and he's the one that's been talking about it.....then he's naturally going to be the one getting the flak.

It makes sense, though. They don't want to say "From the director of Wrath of the Titans and Battle: Los Angeles" on their marketing when his only two big films were panned by critics and audiences alike.

Also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwkqeI7XWk

Because if there was ever a "insane producer with too much influence" story, it's that one.

Originally Posted by graphic_content

what bothers me are the casuals I see posting on FB, and Twitter saying stuff like...Megan Fox doesn't have red hair, this movie is stupid......they are willing to dismiss an entire movie based on one small detail - red hair, and yet, she never had red hair in the original comics, nor was she portrayed with red hair in ANY of the live action films.

On top of that, I always thought the cartoon was more of a reddish brown, but definitely not true red-head.

Of course, Megan Fox also doesn't have the body type to play cartoon April on film....the animators certainly liked April to be a busty vixen, didn't they? (Get it? Fox? Vixen? )

Originally Posted by Bry

Off-topic, but man was that frustrating. There was so much that ASM2 got so right, and so much that just felt so bloated, under-developed and meddled with that it was just a weird, uneven experience overall.

ASM2 is the best presentation of Spider-Man we've ever had on film. It was damn near perfect Spider-Man, I thought.

Then the villain development happened.....or rather, didn't happen. And therein began the problem. -_-

Still enjoyed the movie. Hell, I could watch it on mute just to enjoy the perfect costume design (looks like fabric, folds/moves/wrinkles with movement, big eyes, so awesome) when Spidey's on screen, but yeah...it had its issues. Good movie, but not spectacular nor amazing.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Sadly, business men are destroying every aspect of our society. It's mostly because everything is all about profits and money, not the love and passion behind the projects. In the past, in the very distant past, films were written, produced, directed and acted by people who truly had a passion for the craft. Now, business men, who just buy out studios and patent rights, care less about the passion, and only the bottom dollar. Instead of looking what made such properties a hit, they tend to look at statistics, and graphs, to help make up their minds on how things should be done, instead of getting off their ass in their fancy offices and getting their hands dirty on the project itself so they can see what they are truly investing their money in.

I can't agree with you more.

When it comes to mainstream, major corporations, it's all about the profits to gained in the next quarter, creativity be damned. Just look at the amount of reboots and sequels that are getting churned out each year....they are making a "Beverly Hills Cop" reboot, for Splinter's sake! It falls into everything as well; television, food, clothing, toys, video games. Especially video games.....the mobile gaming market is a cesspool!

They don't give a warthog's tail about anything other than most people recognize this brand name, and they can turn a quick buck by using it.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If anything, I'd say they are man-tortoise with the size of those shells. And I am a bit disappointed to see how bland the colors are in the texturing job is, especially given the slight hint of a paint job in the Promo Poster and the amazing coloring job done in the OotS game. The textures them selves are nicely done, great bump mapping for sure. And the CG models move decently enough and are well integrated, they look like they are there in the movie.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Galapogos Tortoises?

I'm not worried on the colors and texturing just yet. I do agree with others that the CG will be polished well into the year and closer to release before it's the final print.

And I am a bit sadden to see April faint again, I thought we here over with that sexist sh*t, but. Maybe there is an extra explanation for it.

To be fair, a realistic response to them would likely be either to faint or scream and run in absolute terror.

However, personally, I would have liked to see Vernon and April together for that scene and Vernon be the one to pass out!

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Most of all I am SICK of seeing her holding Raphs sai. Im guessing sometime in June well get a third trailer.

Perhaps Megan Fox is using her time on TMNT to secretly prepare for auditioning for Elektra with Marvel Studios?

[Candy Kappa]

I wouldn't mind a He-Man movie adaptation with a bit more faithfulness to it.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

However, personally, I would have liked to see Vernon and April together for that scene and Vernon be the one to pass out!

That is actually really funny....and totally fitting for Vern's character from the OT. Just imagining that put a huge smile on my face and made me chuckle. That's the first thing said about this movie that made me genuinely feel good inside...and it isn't even in the film.

[CowabungaMikey]

Spoiler:

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Teenage Mutant Ninja Galapogos Tortoises?

I'm not worried on the colors and texturing just yet. I do agree with others that the CG will be polished well into the year and closer to release before it's the final print.



To be fair, a realistic response to them would likely be either to faint or scream and run in absolute terror.

However, personally, I would have liked to see Vernon and April together for that scene and Vernon be the one to pass out!



Perhaps Megan Fox is using her time on TMNT to secretly prepare for auditioning for Elektra with Marvel Studios?

This made me laugh. I know I too would probably run like HELL lol

[Sumac]

I'm trying to "decifer" what this sentence means, but can't for the life of me.

At least I am not telling people that its okay.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Again, when the producer is the only person getting top billing in the trailer, and it has all the hallmarks of his films in the visuals, and the cast has people from his films that are good friends, and he's the one that's been talking about it.....then he's naturally going to be the one getting the flak.

It makes sense, though. They don't want to say "From the director of Wrath of the Titans and Battle: Los Angeles" on their marketing when his only two big films were panned by critics and audiences alike.

Whatever happened to the days when the characters themselves was all that was needed to sell a movie? I never remember any director or producer being headlighted for the first TMNT movie. Not even the actors for that part.