The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[Candy Kappa]

Unless he have with his legal team pulled completely out and they have to re-do the motion capture as well, although IMDB isn't exactly completely trustworthy on movies that isn't finished.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Bry

To each their own, I guess, but... when has this ever been the case? They're shocking to see at first because they're mutants, something that few "normal" people would believe existed beforehand, but at no point in 30 years have they not been "comfortable to look at". They were never designed or intended to be hideous.

Well.. I think that they really honed in on the " freaky" aspect of these characters. Its ok that they are hideous and off putting. Why would they not be. I think they made them look cute in the OT and most of the cartoons for the kiddies. That's why they changed the headbands to Red Blue Orange and Purple. But when you look at these turtles you really get that MUTANT FREAK vibe. I know that having pretty much the same design for 30 years is going to make it a little difficult for some to get used too but it is what it is. I think this new look will work as a whole in the context of the films plot and tone judging by what I've seen so far.. Yea I could be wrong but that's what I think. When you add up all of the ingredients, I think it will work in the end. If it doesn't.. O well..

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Well, He still needs to be credited for doing the motion capture.

my guess is the credits will be sperated via

"voice" and "Performer"

[Sumac]

People need to just except these are our new Turtles.

This is your new Turtles. Not mine, not now, nor ever.
I will not love this designs, because they look ugly and incompetent.

They look like a cross between a human and a turtle imo.

They look like ugly crossover between deformed monkey and something vaguely reptillian. If it was something similar to the Out of the Shadows - it would have been believable as those designs look very turtle-like and realistic (as far as appearance of imaginary mutants can go). But this...

Though, I see where it goes: let's sh*t on the old designes to protect new ones. Now, I expecting shower of arguments, that old designs weren't Turtle-like enough, weren't mutant-like enough...all cheap shots will be used.

It doesn't change the fact that new Turtles designs look hideous, not because they are mutants, but because their designers attempt at realism failed hard. Resorting for the critic of the old designs for the sake of protecting new ones, kind of demonstrate how weak positions of its defenders.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Sumac

They look like ugly crossover between deformed monkey and something vaguely reptillian.

Y'know that conspiracy theory of a reptillian alien race working to control everything on Earth?

Though, I see where it goes: let's sh*t on the old designes to protect new ones. Now, I expecting shower of arguments, that old designs weren't Turtle-like enough, weren't mutant-like enough...all cheap shots will be used.

This is what's been shocking to me. I've seen a lot of comments that have basically boiled down to "the last 30 years of TMNT have been stupid and badly designed and we're finally getting something good."

Were people complaining about bad turtle designs and bad choices for the turtles, the Foot and Shredder for the last 30 years? Was there a lot of complaints about the original movie being horrible and looking awful until the last few months? Through each iteration, has there been a support to change as much as possible to the property before this movie's images leaked?

/shrug I don't recall an outpouring of dislike for everything TMNT, but judging by some of the claims in defense of the film, you'd think there were.

And I'll just stop there. Figure that's already enough to get dogpiled on how I should shut up if I don't like everything about the new film.

[Candy Kappa]

They look more like Silurian (minus the head crown) from Dr. who then bipedal turtles.

Spoiler:

To me, the new turtles are just poorly designed, not just as Ninja Turtles. But, also as general creature character design. The OotS designs are far more superior in making a more realistic take on the Turtles without going too Soul's Winter (another great design, but not workable for a movie), and still keeping the overall Ninja Turtle aesthetics.

[unlundun]

the designs look very well thought out to me, amazing attention to detail. I'm with you sam, its silly to think that there has ever been an iteration of the TMNT when there hasn't been a vocal hatred. If the internet had existed how it does today when the first film came out, the same backlash would exist. I for one welcome the new designs and still love the old. If we're honest, anthropomorphic turtles are indeed half ape, half reptile. I always assumed they were humanoid due to the presence of human DNA within the mutagenic process.

[Candy Kappa]

The hybridization in the mutation process depends on which Ooze origin the iteration use. The more Mirage one or the Fred Wolf one.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Guess I fall more in the Laird opinion camp than the Eastman one. /shrug

And congrats on the 7000th post, Candy Kappa

[Candy Kappa]

Oh, thanks. Didn't notice the mile stone

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by unlundun

the designs look very well thought out to me, amazing attention to detail. I'm with you sam, its silly to think that there has ever been an iteration of the TMNT when there hasn't been a vocal hatred. If the internet had existed how it does today when the first film came out, the same backlash would exist. I for one welcome the new designs and still love the old. If we're honest, anthropomorphic turtles are indeed half ape, half reptile. I always assumed they were humanoid due to the presence of human DNA within the mutagenic process.

Exactly. Really Backlash has always existed No matter which Medium, Seriesly by bosses broth is the biggest comic book "nerd" live breaths Marvel Hated Winter soldier, Hated it Because hes a purist and didn't like how they handled the movie. One of the best Marvel movie EVER he hated because it wasn't close enough to the comics.

And im with you on the 1/2 and 1/2 thing

[SwiftNinjaFox]

But where's the turtle half? Greenish skin + shell and otherwise human? To me it looks more like the "effort" put into aliens in the original Star Trek. Just a human with a few additions and some skin paint.

Alright, I'm done, I'm shuttin' up now. It's lunch time and today that means the original movie + pizza. Can't pass up the big 3-0 without the original movie and a pizza.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Well.. I think that they really honed in on the " freaky" aspect of these characters. Its ok that they are hideous and off putting. Why would they not be. I think they made them look cute in the OT and most of the cartoons for the kiddies. That's why they changed the headbands to Red Blue Orange and Purple. But when you look at these turtles you really get that MUTANT FREAK vibe. I know that having pretty much the same design for 30 years is going to make it a little difficult for some to get used too but it is what it is. I think this new look will work as a whole in the context of the films plot and tone judging by what I've seen so far.. Yea I could be wrong but that's what I think. When you add up all of the ingredients, I think it will work in the end. If it doesn't.. O well..

my biggest problem with these is outside of leo they don't really look like turtles to me. Raph and mikey specifically have a more humanoid look to there faces that make them appear more like trolls than bipedal reptiles and their size ain't helping things. It also doesn't help that I feel like I've seen better. I don't deny that the cartoons play up the "cuteness" somewhat( with the exception of 2k3.)but I've seen plenty of other interpretations where they looked threatening and offputting while not approaching toxic avenger levels of mutated freakiness. The out of the shadows designs would be one example. Not cute or cuddly just man sized turtles done in a semi realistic style. By the way in your earlier post when you said the eyes looked cartoony were you refering to the last two live action movies or all three because I thought they looked very life like and realistic in the first film before they widened them up and made them more animated for the sequels.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Sumac

This is your new Turtles. Not mine, not now, nor ever.
I will not love this designs, because they look ugly and incompetent.


They look like ugly crossover between deformed monkey and something vaguely reptillian. If it was something similar to the Out of the Shadows - it would have been believable as those designs look very turtle-like and realistic (as far as appearance of imaginary mutants can go). But this...

Though, I see where it goes: let's sh*t on the old designes to protect new ones. Now, I expecting shower of arguments, that old designs weren't Turtle-like enough, weren't mutant-like enough...all cheap shots will be used.

It doesn't change the fact that new Turtles designs look hideous, not because they are mutants, but because their designers attempt at realism failed hard. Resorting for the critic of the old designs for the sake of protecting new ones, kind of demonstrate how weak positions of its defenders.

They are not " cheap shots " they are opinions. In forums people express their opinions. Like your entire post. You're entitled to it. No one is ******** on anything. They had every right to create something new. Just like you have every right to criticize it. The old designs in the old films were state of the art. They were awesome, and still are. If you think that they failed with the new ones than that's fine. We are not the ones "resorting to the old designs to protect the new ones ". We don't have to protect anything, there isn't a threat. But it is only natural to compare something that has been remade or redesigned with the old version. Its not only the " pro reboot" crowd that is doing it, it's also people that hate the new look that are comparing it to the old ones . So I sometimes try to point out that today realism and detail are big components when it comes to designing characters. If your offended by these criticisms try going on a forum for the old movie only to find people making obnoxious comments and posting pictures all over the place making fun of the old movie designs . That's something we " defenders " have to look at daily when we come here so.. comes with the territory. Especially on an opinion based forum. We like what we like, you like what you like. Period. There is nothing " weak " about it.

And @ Slingtheory: I actually agree that they looked realistic in the first film. From there they went down hill big time. But again that was over 2 decades ago and I think that today they could do better. Im not saying that as an insult its just the truth. Today technology is more advanced. I don't hate the original film by a LONG shot. It is still my all time favorite movie and I've seriously have watched it probably hundreds of times. But im ready for something updated and different that's all. Im happy with what I am getting. I'm sorry that some are not : /

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Y'know that conspiracy theory of a reptillian alien race working to control everything on Earth?



This is what's been shocking to me. I've seen a lot of comments that have basically boiled down to "the last 30 years of TMNT have been stupid and badly designed and we're finally getting something good."

Were people complaining about bad turtle designs and bad choices for the turtles, the Foot and Shredder for the last 30 years? Was there a lot of complaints about the original movie being horrible and looking awful until the last few months? Through each iteration, has there been a support to change as much as possible to the property before this movie's images leaked?

/shrug I don't recall an outpouring of dislike for everything TMNT, but judging by some of the claims in defense of the film, you'd think there were.

Personally i have seen and heard plenty of backlash for every version of the turtles in some way shape or form. Im not say older versions are bad Im not Obviously i love them to death but In my eyes they are all different for their own reasons, People complained about the 80s show too kiddy friendly not edgy enough stupid change for the sake of change even the look i have seen people complain because they are too cartoony. The Original movie i have heard both its too dark it so light i have heard complaints About the animatronics(which is stupid because they were great) dumb expressions ghost stare's, NM need i say anything people complain about this all the time, 2k3 too dark there to short, not funny enough, not faithful enough, lazy. 2k7 cartoon, no shredder, Nick three toes, stupid anime style, tall splinter younger age. IDW reincarnation changing plot points, magic spirituality. OOTS too weird looking Nostrils stupid proportions. All thing i have heard countless time regard each version it happens And really none are any more Vocal then what has happened with this movie.

[#MechaFresh]

Originally Posted by The Turtle Terminator

He was removed from the cast and replaced by Tony Shalhoub

Thanks for the reply bud, had no idea...I figured they'd at least keep Danny in the credits as Splinter's "performer"(judging from that quick shot of him in the latest trailer), but oh well

Why was Danny replaced in the first place? I understand the part about not being a guarantee for both;performing and voicing the character, but was there any reason in particular?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Personally i have seen and heard plenty of backlash for every version of the turtles in some way shape or form. Im not say older versions are bad Im not Obviously i love them to death but In my eyes they are all different for their own reasons, People complained about the 80s show too kiddy friendly not edgy enough stupid change for the sake of change even the look i have seen people complain because they are too cartoony. The Original movie i have heard both its too dark it so light i have heard complaints About the animatronics(which is stupid because they were great) dumb expressions ghost stare's, NM need i say anything people complain about this all the time, 2k3 too dark there to short, not funny enough, not faithful enough, lazy. 2k7 cartoon, no shredder, Nick three toes, stupid anime style, tall splinter younger age. IDW reincarnation changing plot points, magic spirituality. OOTS too weird looking Nostrils stupid proportions. All thing i have heard countless time regard each version it happens And really none are any more Vocal then what has happened with this movie.

Yet none of those examples are the same as what I see now of "the new version is the best because everything before it made no sense, so everything being changed is better than it's ever been." I've literally seen that argument made on multiple aspects of the changes. Like nothing in the last 30 years made sense so it all needed to be changed and now it's good...that inherently implies it was all bad until these changes.

I can at least understand fans who are against change for their varying reasons. I can't understand the position of "now it's better because the last 30 years were bad" which I have seen a few times. /shrug

I mean, it's gonna be what it's gonna be, obviously. It is what it is at this point. Like it, don't like it, it's going to happen.

But there's a lot of things I could have said that about through movie history too.

At least the turtles don't have shell nipples (still not letting that go, Schumaker!).

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

When someone actually told me "Hey, if they don't do any Martial Arts in the film? I'd be fine with it, as long as it's entertaining. It wouldn't bother me"...

I'm sorry, but that's when they lost me. And no, it was no one on this forum.

I understand we all have different opinions. But let's be honest, that doesn't mean one will Understand the other's opinion on the matter. Doesn't mean it's a slight or such. Sometimes, it's just in the category of "I don't get it."

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

The hybridization in the mutation process depends on which Ooze origin the iteration use. The more Mirage one or the Fred Wolf one.

The Mirage one is not a hybridization at all. More like a hyper-evolutionary process.

[Sumac]

Y'know that conspiracy theory of a reptillian alien race working to control everything on Earth?

I, for one, NOT welcoming our new green overlords!!

I remember there were some complaints about Turtles look in the TMNT'07, but in the end it was more or less accepted. As far as I remember, I haven't seen people saying things like: "this new CGI Turtles are the best, everything that was before was garbage". At least not on this forum. It's kind of strange, that there are so many people who ready to throw such arguments, when it comes for this movie. Which leads to some uncomfortable questions...
But enough with conspiracies.

If the internet had existed how it does today when the first film came out, the same backlash would exist.

Unlikely. They were more than similar to the design used in the original cartoon.

Just updating for a modern audience.

By way of making them look nothing like previous versions?
It's kind of strange idea of the update to me. Very Bay-like. Or should I say "very modern Hollywood-like"?

They are not " cheap shots " they are opinions. In forums people express their opinions. Like your entire post. You're entitled to it. No one is ******** on anything. They had every right to create something new. Just like you have every right to criticize it. The old designs in the old films were state of the art. They were awesome, and still are. If you think that they failed with the new ones than that's fine. We are not the ones "resorting to the old designs to protect the new ones ". We don't have to protect anything, there isn't a threat. But it is only natural to compare something that has been remade or redesigned with the old version. Its not only the " pro reboot" crowd that is doing it, it's also people that hate the new look that are comparing it to the old ones . So I sometimes try to point out that today realism and detail are big components when it comes to designing characters. If your offended by these criticisms try going on a forum for the old movie only to find people making obnoxious comments and posting pictures all over the place making fun of the old movie designs . That's something we " defenders " have to look at daily when we come here so.. comes with the territory. Especially on an opinion based forum. We like what we like, you like what you like. Period. There is nothing " weak " about it.

Arguments and opinions like anything else in the world, have their own values. Some are more valuable than the others, not only because WHAT was stated, but also, HOW it was stated and in what CONTEXT. So, when people start protecting new designs by suddenly pooring dirt all over the old ones, it denominates value of their opinion and arguments, because they try to justify their position by pointing flaws in something outside of immediate topic.

It is the method I am VERY familliar with, which I call "diverting", when person answers not about subject at hand, but about something vaguely related, diverting from the original point of discussion. Usually it is achieved by using some unrelated (or vaguely related) comparisions. Like in this case: instead pointing strengths of the new designs, some people pointing flaws in the old ones, thinking that it will make new designs look better. In reality, it doesn't make new designs look any better. It's just points the flaws in the old ones. So this is why I call this "cheap shots".

Also, so far, "defenders of the Bay-Turtles" are the only obnoxious faction around this place, with their hatred for the people who are less then impressed with this "project", calling them names and generally making this place look like mouse dancehall. Most of the old forumgoers are extremely patient and correct,...even when they don't have any reasons to be.