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Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

because bo staves are made of hard wood, are lightweight arena somewhat flexible to facilitate a particular fighting style. A rigid metal retractable and therefore structurally weaker staff.....would not work for a fighting style that uses a bo staff.

Yes, that is a nitpick, but it hasn't been established at any point that Donnie would alterhis trained fighting techniques to uses sub-standard weapon. I'm just going off the point that this is supposed to be a "realistic" portrayal of the TMNT.

and i get that bro, i do. but realistic or not, we are still talkin' about giant, mutated turtles that know ninjitsu.

one could argue that the Avengers was done realistically (as much as the subject matter allowed), but look at all the fantastical elements to it.

a retractable bo on the otherhand, feasible in this world, imo.

[MastahShredder]

With all of the gadgets he has going on, I would be surprised if he just had a regular wooden bo staff. I get that the bo staff has to have some flex to it (like if you want to put sand in your opponents eye. It's a movie, so they're going to probably ignore what a traditional staff is.

I mean, it could look like this for all we know.

[Candy Kappa]

So. How is Donatello able to create a periscopic Bo with cobbled stuff he finds in the sewers, cause it better be made by some vibranium for not braking after a couple of skull fractures.

Not to mention, trading for easy storage to clunky handling, terrible flexibility and lesser impact.

And yes, it is all fiction. But it's a difference between a comic book and a live-action movie, certain things don't translate well. For example Marvel's Rhino, a great villain on paper. Wouldn't look so great in his rubber-skin stuck rhino themed suit on live-action film. Or Batman's eyes, heck his whole mask works differently in the comics, emoting after his facial expressions. Just because a movie is fantastical, doesn't mean it is without a set of rules and laws. Grass is still green in Middle-Earth and the laws of physics exists in Daredevil.

Iron Mans suit is fantastical, but it still worked within the realms of "this suit is for reals". It had realistic storage space, the rockets it fired was small enough to be believable that the suit could store them, it didn't store a huge gun turret inside the shoulder panel.

Don's Bo contradict the cobbled up and scavenger look the turtles have. It is almost as fantastical as if Leonardo was wielding. Pair of Bokken and still managed to cut with them as if they where actual Katana, it is THAT silly.


Edit. Also, Moon Knight's Truncheon also turns into a Nunchaku, grappling hook as well as a 8 feet long staff, and it is made out of Adamantium. So there you go, it's Adamantium.

[Fjaj]

On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for them to speak english if they didn't have humanoid lips. Just something to think about.

[Candy Kappa]

Haven't stopped the turtles before. There's a difference between huge puffer collagen lips and a subtle mouth shape.

[Fjaj]

Um, there lips really aren't that big. And realistically, they would need to have human lips to talk like a human, which they have always done. My point is that you shouldn't just nitpick about realism, the turtles have never been about realism. I can understand you not liking the designs, and if so many people don't like them, then obviously the makers failed on some level, despite other people liking them. However, arguing so much about a such a small issue is kinda dumb. You already have enough reason to dislike it, so you don't need to keep defending yourself by nitpicking.

[Candy Kappa]

Not sure what you are referring to, the thing about Bo, or the lips?

Y'know, animals can mimic human speech. Since the turtles beaks have during mutation turned soft like flesh, it isn't far fetched they could simulate human languages.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by Fjaj

On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for them to speak english if they didn't have humanoid lips. Just something to think about.

[Fjaj]

yes, but they still wouldn't sound like a human, which they always have since humans have been voicing them. My is just that you shouldn't nitpick, so i will not discuss the lips any further. It's okay that you don't like the designs, director, actors, producer, but you don't need to nitpick about little bits of information from photos. You already have more than enough reasons to dislike it.

[Candy Kappa]

So? We're not allowed to participate in a debate because we "nitpick"

Oh, okay.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

HOlly crap if that's real, i'll get one and teach him all the Sam Jackson quotes

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Fjaj

yes, but they still wouldn't sound like a human, which they always have since humans have been voicing them. My is just that you shouldn't nitpick, so i will not discuss the lips any further. It's okay that you don't like the designs, director, actors, producer, but you don't need to nitpick about little bits of information from photos. You already have more than enough reasons to dislike it.

What about the Parrots like the one MajorViolence posted? It spoke English. It sounded like a human. And it wasn't even mutated. No humanoid lips either. And it even spoke better and more clearer than some humans that I've met in life. Doesn't that defeat your argument?

If Splinter taught them since they were 'mutated' then why wouldn't they?

[Fjaj]

You can debate it all you want, i just said i won't. Maybe I'm just not experienced enough with forums, because a lot of people don't seem to get the point, they just like restating their opinion, which of course i have also done numerous times, so i guess i need to think a lot more about my posts and word them better.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

You just said "On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for them to speak english if they didn't have humanoid lips. Just something to think about."

And then MajorViolence showed you an animal, without humanoid lips, that spoke English.

Then you went "but it wouldn't sound like a human".

And yet the Parrot did when he talked, because he was Taught that.

Just like Splinter would teach the Turtles. And being mutated, their brains would be able to process and take in the information better and be able to articulate on their own accord. Plus they are Martial Arts-Fighting Mutated Ninja Turtles...something that Isn't Real. So you can make some stuff up along the way.

I'm not trying to start a fight. I just don't see what exactly is the point that we're missing?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

You just said "On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for them to speak english if they didn't have humanoid lips. Just something to think about."

And then MajorViolence showed you an animal, without humanoid lips, that spoke English.

Then you went "but it wouldn't sound like a human".

And yet the Parrot did when he talked, because he was Taught that.

Just like Splinter would teach the Turtles. And being mutated, their brains would be able to process and take in the information better and be able to articulate on their own accord. Plus they are Martial Arts-Fighting Mutated Ninja Turtles...something that Isn't Real. So you can make some stuff up along the way.

I'm not trying to start a fight. I just don't see what exactly is the point that we're missing?

For a parrot its not about Brain size lol Its the biology of the parrot and the way their vocal cords have evolved same with a mocking bird, they mimic sounds(chain saw, cars, gun shots) not form word and phrases turtles on the other hand don't have that ability lol sorry

[Fjaj]

I am not willing to discuss this subject any further, as it has nothing to with this thread. You can form your own opinions on what I said and how my example was faulty. I would start another discussion back on topic here, but I can't think of anything right now, so I'll come back when I have something new to say.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

For a parrot its not about Brain size lol Its the biology of the parrot and the way their vocal cords have evolved same with a mocking bird, they mimic sounds(chain saw, cars, gun shots) not form word and phrases turtles on the other hand don't have that ability lol sorry

What a shame the turtles aren't partially a species that has speaking vocal chords...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

the way their vocal cords have evolved same with a mocking bird, they mimic sounds(chain saw, cars, gun shots) not form word and phrases turtles on the other hand don't have that ability lol sorry

So...why not just have it written that their vocal cords have mutated since they are now 'more human like'...thus they can speak English, like humans can?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

What a shame the turtles aren't partially a species that has speaking vocal chords...

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So...why not just have it written that their vocal cords have mutated since they are now 'more human like'...thus they can speak English, like humans can?

You know why not just mutate them with human DNA like many versions and just Allow them proper use and lips HUH wow well then guess that works two lol

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

You know why not just mutate thing with human DNA like many version and just Alow them proper use and lips HUH wow well then guess that works two lol

Because it looks stupid. And ridiculous. And silly. And laughable. And maybe that's a reason why most Ninja Turtles in most incarnations (cartoons, previous movies, so on) in the past didn't have lips like that. That's why.