Red String of Fate

[Leo656]

I'unno. I think stuff like that works fine in fiction but has little to no relation to real life. I've been accused of being a cynic, but frankly, in my life I've gone from being an "Anything's possible" type to "Well, this is it" kind of guy. I've *tried* to believe there's more to life than what we see, but it's been a long time since I've seen anything to make me feel that way.

Especially relationships. The vast majority of people end up with the wrong person, and that's a statistical fact. That makes it supremely hard to believe that people are being arranged together by some invisible magical hands. It's purely a crapshoot.

I don't know. I became a lot more tolerant of how horrible life is, once I gave up believing that it was all planned out, and just decided that we're all alone in the universe and ultimately nothing we do matters. I'd argue it's actually a healthier way to live.

Not trying to trash anyone's beliefs, it's just what makes sense to me.

Things like "Destiny" and "Fate" can make for neat fiction, though. I mean, when I used to write fanfics, my stories were full of Heaven and Hell type stuff, despite the fact I'm an atheist. People would often ask me why I did that, and I'd simply respond, "It makes the story better. I don't have to believe in something to use it as a plot device."

[NitpickingMask]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

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...Thats not what chaos theory is. "When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future." Butterfly effect =/= Chaos theory. They are related yes, but its not same thing. Chaos theory is fricking hard to explain, but comparing it to concept of fate is just... Wrong. I'm probably explaining it wrong, but chaos theory is about how deterministic systems should have their future behavior determined by initial conditions, but it is still impossible to predict them accurately. Fate is on other hand by its nature completely deterministic.

Heck butterfly effect isn't an example of fate either, its just about how small changes can have radical effects on the results. Please don't use big fancy concepts without doing research on them, even people who do actually understand the chaos theory have problems with explaining it =/

Also, if you want to say a story about titanic and weird coincidences, you speak of "Futility, or the wreck of the Titan" aka the book about ship named titan that sinks after hitting iceberg written 14 years earlier. Saying that people felt bad before going to ship doesn't mean anything, I feel bad before going to plane every time and one day its possible that the plane I go to malfunctions. Thats just a weak example. You should bring up example of synchronity and not example of "I have bad feeling about this" since statistically some of those bad feelings are going to hit the mark anyway.

I'm not even discussing the myth thing anymore since you are clearly strawmanning there. One definition of the word is "folklore" and red string of fate is folklore. Why does my dislike of red string of fate mean I have to hate every thing that falls under one of definitions for word myth? Hell, why does my dislike of one folklore mean I have to dislike all folklore? Like I said, you are using slippery slope fallacy there. Also, you are being contradictory there, since most religions aren't like hinduism or buddhism and as accepting of other beliefs. Christianity for example straight out believes that non Christian faiths(or even other variants of same religion) are wrong. Most religious people don't accept the possibility of other religion being right. You can believe in whatever you want for all I care(You are somehow assuming that I'm intolerant of religions. For example, buddhism is rather cool religion if you ask me due to their tolerance towards other faiths Philosophical version is pretty cool as well. Again, you are using faulty logic that somehow me disliking red string of fate means I dislike all myths which somehow means I dislike all religions), but you are speaking as if religious people are most accepting of other religions. Either way, I won't continue this conversation since Internet conversations on religion never end up well, this is final thing I say about myths.

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

Interestingly enough, there was a book by a man named Morgan Robertson called 'Futility, or Wreck of The Titan' that was written 14 years prior to the maiden voyage of the Titanic.

Dang it, you brought up Futility before I did D:< Now it sounds dumb I say exact same thing you did xP Maybe I should dig up if there is another book about iceberg shipwrecks. Bonus point if writer died on titanic for extra irony

[kolaida]

Originally Posted by NitpickingMask

...Thats not what chaos theory is. "When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future." Butterfly effect =/= Chaos theory. They are related yes, but its not same thing. Chaos theory is fricking hard to explain, but comparing it to concept of fate is just... Wrong. I'm probably explaining it wrong, but chaos theory is about how deterministic systems should have their future behavior determined by initial conditions, but it is still impossible to predict them accurately. Fate is on other hand by its nature completely deterministic.

Heck butterfly effect isn't an example of fate either, its just about how small changes can have radical effects on the results. Please don't use big fancy concepts without doing research on them, even people who do actually understand the chaos theory have problems with explaining it =/

Also, if you want to say a story about titanic and weird coincidences, you speak of "Futility, or the wreck of the Titan" aka the book about ship named titan that sinks after hitting iceberg written 14 years earlier. Saying that people felt bad before going to ship doesn't mean anything, I feel bad before going to plane every time and one day its possible that the plane I go to malfunctions. Thats just a weak example. You should bring up example of synchronity and not example of "I have bad feeling about this" since statistically some of those bad feelings are going to hit the mark anyway.

I'm not even discussing the myth thing anymore since you are clearly strawmanning there. One definition of the word is "folklore" and red string of fate is folklore. Why does my dislike of red string of fate mean I have to hate every thing that falls under one of definitions for word myth? Hell, why does my dislike of one folklore mean I have to dislike all folklore? Like I said, you are using slippery slope fallacy there. Also, you are being contradictory there, since most religions aren't like hinduism or buddhism and as accepting of other beliefs. Christianity for example straight out believes that non Christian faiths(or even other variants of same religion) are wrong. Most religious people don't accept the possibility of other religion being right. You can believe in whatever you want for all I care(You are somehow assuming that I'm intolerant of religions. For example, buddhism is rather cool religion if you ask me due to their tolerance towards other faiths Philosophical version is pretty cool as well. Again, you are using faulty logic that somehow me disliking red string of fate means I dislike all myths which somehow means I dislike all religions), but you are speaking as if religious people are most accepting of other religions. Either way, I won't continue this conversation since Internet conversations on religion never end up well, this is final thing I say about myths.

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Dang it, you brought up Futility before I did D:< Now it sounds dumb I say exact same thing you did xP Maybe I should dig up if there is another book about iceberg shipwrecks. Bonus point if writer died on titanic for extra irony

I had a bad feeling once and turned out a wanted man from the FBI was nearby. But it was a BAD feeling as in something (survivor instinct, I'm sure) took over and all my other thoughts left except run and get to safety now. It was overpowering. I think when you're truly in danger, instincts just kick in and take over. Granted, I've had other bad feelings that were uncalled for but none of them come even close to how I felt that night (and I didn't know until the next day what I was terrified of).

That aside, Titanic is one of the saddest stories because so much went wrong (like The Californian ignoring Titanic's distress calls). Of course, Futility could have been researched before being written and Morgan might have figured the most tragic thing would be a boat giving up lifeboats to keep more room on deck and that April was the month most likely to hit ice. Also, it wasn't just Titanic's lack of lifeboats- they didn't fill the ones they had to capacity, some people didn't think the ship would sink before help arrived (and if the Captain of the Californian hadn't decided sleep was more important than distress flares, they might have been right). The Titanic makes me sad.