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Konchadunga · 07-07-2014, 02:17 AM

I, too, like what they did with Timothy. When he was initially introduced, I found him annoying, and worse, I feared they'd just reward him for daring to dream he was a valid ally, as is sometimes done in cartoons. Giving him a tragic fate was a mature way to teach a vital lesson to children.

TurtleMaster4 · 07-07-2014, 09:03 PM

N: I don't like that they mutated Karai!
P: but it should make for a good story line!

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 07-07-2014, 10:21 PM

Positive: Mikey's voice actor has grown on me and he doesn't bother me at all.

Negative: Seems like the Leo/Karai & Donnie/April show so far...in my opinion, Raph is getting a disservice so far (other than maybe Slash & Destroy). How about giving the guy some kind of arc or such that actually can/will go on, writers? Or have him be somewhat substantial to stuff going on? At this point, I'd settle for some kind of self-sacrifice (even if it was something like him losing his eye while protecting/saving Mikey or Leo or such...)

*BabyTurtles* · 07-08-2014, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Positive: Mikey's voice actor has grown on me and he doesn't bother me at all.

Negative: Seems like the Leo/Karai & Donnie/April show so far...in my opinion, Raph is getting a disservice so far (other than maybe Slash & Destroy). How about giving the guy some kind of arc or such that actually can/will go on, writers? Or have him be somewhat substantial to stuff going on? At this point, I'd settle for some kind of self-sacrifice (even if it was something like him losing his eye while protecting/saving Mikey or Leo or such...)

I feel the same way....except with Mikey.

Werecat · 07-08-2014, 01:12 AM

Positive: I am enjoying the relationship between Raph and Slash.

Negative: Too bad the show does not explore the connections between Raph and Slash.

The nick show is very good though so I don't understand the negative threads lol.

*Slade* · 07-08-2014, 01:13 AM

Too many mutants..

The turtles are awesome though

*ssjup81* · 07-08-2014, 01:34 AM

Positive: I'm generally enjoying the show. lol

Negative: Too many mutants and hate the fact that April comes across as a plot convenience as opposed to an actual character. I feel I know Casey and to an extent, Irma than her.

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I feel the same way....except with Mikey.

I ironically am in the middle. I do like the goofy Donnie/April stuff (it's funny to me) and I like Leo/Karai's focus, but I do agree that this feels like Leo and Donnie's show, co-starring Raph and Mikey.

I feel both (Raph and Mikey) need to be focused on.

*Shark_Blade* · 07-08-2014, 03:56 AM

They did explore Mikey i.e. Pizza Face is my fave example for him.

I'll just post what I wrote about Mikey.

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

There's a dark side in all of us, nothing is pure black and white.

I'd say Mikey is equivalent of Bubbles from Powerpuff Girls. They may seem sweet and innocent, but when they snapped.. you better stand back, far away.

It's a joy for me to see how Mikey went bad cop during the interrogation scene. It shows another depth of dimension to his character, truly satisfying to watch. I salivate every second of it. Beneath that sweet, innocent exterior, there's twisted cruelty and malice inside him.

Bravo Nick, you've done well.

But the ending left much to be desired. No one acknowledged his heroism, and was it all a dream or did it really happen (I like to think it did, but some people don't)? That's why I dislike Alice in wonderland, it's all a dream what a waste of time.

Maybe they should explore Mikey's sexuality next, his constant desperate desire for the "pleasure of the flesh".

*BabyTurtles* · 07-08-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

They did explore Mikey i.e. Pizza Face is my fave example for him.

I'll just post what I wrote about Mikey.

But the ending left much to be desired. No one acknowledged his heroism, and was it all a dream or did it really happen (I like to think it did, but some people don't)? That's why I dislike Alice in wonderland, it's all a dream what a waste of time.

Maybe they should explore Mikey's sexuality next, his constant desperate desire for the "pleasure of the flesh".

if it's all going to end up a dream it's not really good development.

that episode was meant to be funny only, it wasn't meant to move the plot...or Mikey's character at all because it didn't.
that skit with him being bad cop wasn't meant to show a dark side...it was just meant to be funny. (If he actually snapped or did something hardcore to someone that wasn't a pizza then maybe It would be taken seriously)

the Bubbles' episode (when she snapped) was meant to show she had a hardcore side because
1) it wasn't a dream
2) she actually beat up their main villain
3) she held her ground longer than the others
4) the others respected her afterwards.
5) bonus: she wasn't smacking a tied up pizza XD

if Mikey's dark side actually showed him doing something that affected the show or what others think about him...then it would be development.

but I don't even need a Mikey hardcore episode.....I just want a Mikey episode that respects him as a character...

*ssjup81* · 07-08-2014, 06:58 PM

I personally felt Pizzaface was a dream because of Donnie and because the ep was supposed to be after The Wrath of Tigerclaw. He got hurt badly there, so maybe he was resting and recovering.

I think the ep showed that he's capable of having a dark side. I thought that when I first saw that ep. Another ep that made me think so was the one where Irma and Casey were kidnapped by the Rat King. He kept punching the rat and telling it to "eat the cheese". I also felt that he was seriously trying to kill Tigerclaw in the Wrath of Tigerclaw. So yeah, I do feel that Mikey has a hidden dark side based on the few things I mentioned.

Konchadunga · 07-15-2014, 08:49 PM

2012 Michelangelo seems to be more like Fluttershy to me, in that he's typically played as clueless and weak, only to get tough in starring episodes where his signature tropes are subverted--and then come next episode, he's back to being the doofy butt monkey. It's a pitiful excuse for character development, and a big problem with episodic series. That "Bubblevicious" episode is an interesting case, because in itself it seems like that sort of thing, but aside from in that episode's beginning, I don't remember any time the show ever made her out to be inferior to her sisters. But PPG was infamously inconsistent in general, and got a pass just because it was a zany comedy. Shows that are actually trying to set good examples and not make any hero an object of derision should have better development.

*miru* · 07-26-2014, 04:18 PM

N: Too little airtime.

P: I really like TigerClaw's design.

Zatoichi · 07-31-2014, 03:32 PM

Positive Things:
Master Splinter~

Loving Tiger Claw, he's the most competent and bad*** in this show yet. The turtles haven't defeated him in a direct fight yet, and it looks like they won't for awhile.

Mikey, I just love his attitude and his voice. Greg Cripes is a cool voice actor.

Negative things:
There is little back story on a lot of the mutants. I would hope there would be a future episode where it just focuses on the villains. I'd like to know more about Bradford, Xever, and Tiger Claw. How have Bradford and Xever been dealing with their mutations? Exactly how has Tiger Claw been living before he met Shredder? What do all three do when Shredder isn't making them go after the Turtles? Do any of them have any slight doubts about working with Shredder? Stuff like that.

*Warhorse* · 07-31-2014, 11:36 PM

N- I have to agree with someone above me, too little air time. For some reason, my DVR will not record the show ahead of schedule, and on Sunday mornings, I have stuff to do outside of the house. I wish I could watch it when it airs, it's just not going to work for me. I wished they would stick it in a prime time slot.

P- I like the fact the Leo's little tea time buddy is going to be making an appearance again. I hope she ends up being someone later on. (Casey's sister, or Angel maybe)

jenna · 08-01-2014, 10:15 AM

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N-I really dislike Splinter. For starters. he looks more like one of them Egyptian dog statues, not a rat. And I don't like how he doesn't even try to hide his favoritism to Leo (rewards him well when he wins in a sparring match) but is constantly on Raph's case (can't even reward him when he wins sparring matches, just wants to vulcan pinch him)

Yeah, he's downright abusive at times! (Although I do quite like that he gives Raph a good wallop from time to time. This is a very different Splinter to the frail, elderly Splinters we've seen in the past)

N-The human Foot Ninja are under-utilised
P-The fight scenes between them and the turtles are epic (ref New Friend, Old Enemy)

N-Raphael doesn't get much air time
P-When he does, he is awesome

P-Turns out I'm a sucker for the cuteness of these turtles
N-???? (whoops! Tipped the balance!)

*Metalwolf* · 08-01-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zatoichi

Negative things:
There is little back story on a lot of the mutants. I would hope there would be a future episode where it just focuses on the villains. I'd like to know more about Bradford, Xever, and Tiger Claw. How have Bradford and Xever been dealing with their mutations? Exactly how has Tiger Claw been living before he met Shredder? What do all three do when Shredder isn't making them go after the Turtles? Do any of them have any slight doubts about working with Shredder? Stuff like that.

Yeah, that would be my negative too. From what little we see, it looks like they spend most of their time (when not dealing with the Turtles) standing guard or having Xever running his mouth off about some sort of supposed rivalry between Tigerclaw and Bradford by sheer dint of them being 'cat' and 'dog,' even as they barely talked to each other to discover what commonalities they had.

Or at least how Bradford sort of feels about his mutation, considering himself a 'freak' and trying to use the Retromutagen on himself before Baxter does, but yet acting in the most 'animal-like' way out of all the other times, which even Tigerclaw doesn't do (which is something I really like about him too.)

So, it's hard to tell how they would feel about their mutations, as one time you'd get the impression they didn't like it (running for the retromutagen) but yet other times referring to themselves as the creature they resemble (and behaving like it at times) and giving the impression they like it. It's all over the place.

It would be nice to see a more villain centric episode that isn't focused primarily on the Shredder or some dude destined to become just another mutant in Shredder's roster, and where they won't make them act contrary to what they were doing earlier. Or show them having 'real' hobbies that aren't just the cliche villain 'I like to beat things up and train endlessly.'

So I share that negative with you.

For my positive, I'm glad they are getting away from New York and it's villains, and going to the country for a little bit. It's a change of pace, and I hope they stay there for a whole season.

Midnight Mutant · 08-01-2014, 06:18 PM

NEG: I hate, hate, hate, how it only took ONE DROP of retro-mutagen to change Kirby back 100%, when they clearly say they only have two batches....a.k.a two vials that have a LOT of drops in them!

It makes it seem too easy imo.

POS: I absolutely love how most of Donnie's inventions or tools are garbage or weird random things (Cup+string+suction cup thing = stethoscope, Gameboy+Christmas lights+whisks = Mutagen tracker, Toaster+hula girl = A hacking....device?!?! ). It just tickles me happy!

*victory_angel* · 08-01-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Mutant

NEG: I hate, hate, hate, how it only took ONE DROP of retro-mutagen to change Kirby back 100%, when they clearly say they only have two batches....a.k.a two vials that have a LOT of drops in them!

I agree that is such a macguffin. The only reason I can see this point having any significance is if Kirby reverts back to being a mutant because he wasn't given a full of the retro-mutagen. But that would only happen when the plot say's it's convenient.

Positive: I like that Donnie is going to take some initiative within the family and stand up to Leo.

Negative: That we have to wait until after the movie to see the two calm members of the team butting heads.

Mr Null · 08-02-2014, 07:19 AM

P - this show has made me like Casey Jones for the first time.
- the nostalgia - loving the call backs to previous incarnations.
- Tiger Claw and Rahzar. These two are badass henchmen.
- Bebop and Rocksteady coming! Anton Zeck was pretty switched on, so I have high hopes.

N - Not enough Shredder this season. I feel like he has barely been in it. And he needs more fight scenes. This has more been Karai's season.
- Kirby Bat / Baxter-fly / fishface. I'd prefer Wingnut and Screwloose and Stockman being a human. He still pretty much only experiments as a fly anyway. But I am grateful Kirby bat is gone now.
- The Kraang. Their speech pattern that just annoys the hell out of me. And the fact they seem so mindless. Like drones.

*ssjup81* · 08-02-2014, 07:26 AM

Positive: I don't think I mentioned it earlier, but throwbacks to previous incarnations, like Casey's "Catman dude" line in Wrath of Tigerclaw which could've possibly been a throwback to the Archie series. lol I also like how retro the Turtles' lair is as well as a few other things, like the Shellraiser when it first starts up. It's a dial-up modem sound.

Negative: I know some are looking forward to them....but I'm not. Bebop and Rocksteady. I dunno, I just can't get excited about them, and since they are OT specific, this does feel like OT pandering, but it'll be interesting to see how they'll become mutated and if they'll actually work for Shredder or on their on or with Karai, etc.

07-07-2014, 02:17 AM	#141
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	I, too, like what they did with Timothy. When he was initially introduced, I found him annoying, and worse, I feared they'd just reward him for daring to dream he was a valid ally, as is sometimes done in cartoons. Giving him a tragic fate was a mature way to teach a vital lesson to children. __________________

07-07-2014, 10:21 PM	#143
Ramboraph4life aka Matt Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Liberty, Iowa Posts: 1,234	Positive: Mikey's voice actor has grown on me and he doesn't bother me at all. Negative: Seems like the Leo/Karai & Donnie/April show so far...in my opinion, Raph is getting a disservice so far (other than maybe Slash & Destroy). How about giving the guy some kind of arc or such that actually can/will go on, writers? Or have him be somewhat substantial to stuff going on? At this point, I'd settle for some kind of self-sacrifice (even if it was something like him losing his eye while protecting/saving Mikey or Leo or such...) Last edited by Ramboraph4life aka Matt; 07-07-2014 at 10:27 PM.

07-08-2014, 01:13 AM	#146
Slade god status Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,291	Too many mutants.. The turtles are awesome though __________________ Do not concern yourself with what I've already done: rather tremble at the thought of what I am about to do. Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=48140

07-15-2014, 08:49 PM	#151
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	2012 Michelangelo seems to be more like Fluttershy to me, in that he's typically played as clueless and weak, only to get tough in starring episodes where his signature tropes are subverted--and then come next episode, he's back to being the doofy butt monkey. It's a pitiful excuse for character development, and a big problem with episodic series. That "Bubblevicious" episode is an interesting case, because in itself it seems like that sort of thing, but aside from in that episode's beginning, I don't remember any time the show ever made her out to be inferior to her sisters. But PPG was infamously inconsistent in general, and got a pass just because it was a zany comedy. Shows that are actually trying to set good examples and not make any hero an object of derision should have better development. __________________

07-26-2014, 04:18 PM	#152
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	N: Too little airtime. P: I really like TigerClaw's design. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

07-07-2014, 09:03 PM	#142
TurtleMaster4 Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Some where in the Sewers of New York! Posts: 390	N: I don't like that they mutated Karai! P: but it should make for a good story line!

07-08-2014, 01:12 AM	#145
Werecat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 266	Positive: I am enjoying the relationship between Raph and Slash. Negative: Too bad the show does not explore the connections between Raph and Slash. The nick show is very good though so I don't understand the negative threads lol.

07-08-2014, 06:58 PM	#150
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	I personally felt Pizzaface was a dream because of Donnie and because the ep was supposed to be after The Wrath of Tigerclaw. He got hurt badly there, so maybe he was resting and recovering. I think the ep showed that he's capable of having a dark side. I thought that when I first saw that ep. Another ep that made me think so was the one where Irma and Casey were kidnapped by the Rat King. He kept punching the rat and telling it to "eat the cheese". I also felt that he was seriously trying to kill Tigerclaw in the Wrath of Tigerclaw. So yeah, I do feel that Mikey has a hidden dark side based on the few things I mentioned.

07-31-2014, 03:32 PM	#153
Zatoichi Thug Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 98	Positive Things: Master Splinter~ Loving Tiger Claw, he's the most competent and bad*** in this show yet. The turtles haven't defeated him in a direct fight yet, and it looks like they won't for awhile. Mikey, I just love his attitude and his voice. Greg Cripes is a cool voice actor. Negative things: There is little back story on a lot of the mutants. I would hope there would be a future episode where it just focuses on the villains. I'd like to know more about Bradford, Xever, and Tiger Claw. How have Bradford and Xever been dealing with their mutations? Exactly how has Tiger Claw been living before he met Shredder? What do all three do when Shredder isn't making them go after the Turtles? Do any of them have any slight doubts about working with Shredder? Stuff like that.

07-31-2014, 11:36 PM	#154
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	N- I have to agree with someone above me, too little air time. For some reason, my DVR will not record the show ahead of schedule, and on Sunday mornings, I have stuff to do outside of the house. I wish I could watch it when it airs, it's just not going to work for me. I wished they would stick it in a prime time slot. P- I like the fact the Leo's little tea time buddy is going to be making an appearance again. I hope she ends up being someone later on. (Casey's sister, or Angel maybe)

08-01-2014, 06:18 PM	#157
Midnight Mutant Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 249	NEG: I hate, hate, hate, how it only took ONE DROP of retro-mutagen to change Kirby back 100%, when they clearly say they only have two batches....a.k.a two vials that have a LOT of drops in them! It makes it seem too easy imo. POS: I absolutely love how most of Donnie's inventions or tools are garbage or weird random things (Cup+string+suction cup thing = stethoscope, Gameboy+Christmas lights+whisks = Mutagen tracker, Toaster+hula girl = A hacking....device?!?! ). It just tickles me happy! __________________

08-02-2014, 07:19 AM	#159
Mr Null Thug Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 63	P - this show has made me like Casey Jones for the first time. - the nostalgia - loving the call backs to previous incarnations. - Tiger Claw and Rahzar. These two are badass henchmen. - Bebop and Rocksteady coming! Anton Zeck was pretty switched on, so I have high hopes. N - Not enough Shredder this season. I feel like he has barely been in it. And he needs more fight scenes. This has more been Karai's season. - Kirby Bat / Baxter-fly / fishface. I'd prefer Wingnut and Screwloose and Stockman being a human. He still pretty much only experiments as a fly anyway. But I am grateful Kirby bat is gone now. - The Kraang. Their speech pattern that just annoys the hell out of me. And the fact they seem so mindless. Like drones.

08-02-2014, 07:26 AM	#160
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Positive: I don't think I mentioned it earlier, but throwbacks to previous incarnations, like Casey's "Catman dude" line in Wrath of Tigerclaw which could've possibly been a throwback to the Archie series. lol I also like how retro the Turtles' lair is as well as a few other things, like the Shellraiser when it first starts up. It's a dial-up modem sound. Negative: I know some are looking forward to them....but I'm not. Bebop and Rocksteady. I dunno, I just can't get excited about them, and since they are OT specific, this does feel like OT pandering, but it'll be interesting to see how they'll become mutated and if they'll actually work for Shredder or on their on or with Karai, etc.