"Thor" now a woman....

[Candy Kappa]

A wizard did it.




Or Loki.

[JamieH]

Well, according to Jason Aaron this will be an all new "Thor." So there won't really be any real gender bending, like when Loki was a woman (hiding in Sif's reborn body after the ragnarok). I also don't think it'll be Angela. If Jason Aaron says this is a continuation of his plans and story from "Thor: God of Thunder", I'm going into this new wielder of mjolnir optimistically. He also stated that the Odin-son will still be around, so I am very curious to see how an unworthy Thor plays out.

Considering how much Marvel plays with time travel like a ragged red headed step child, I'm thinking the new Thor will be one of Thor's granddaughters. Or their mother, or their grandmother... basically I think it's going to be an in the family sort of thing (but not Angela). Hell, it could even be a descendant of Loki.

[Candy Kappa]

It would be awesome if Sif had to wield the hammer for a while, and she finally got her golden hair in Marvel canon.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Even if AoU weren't coming out, Marvel would revert back to normal Thor sooner or later - because when has a comic character ever stayed dead?

Nobody's dead in this scenario.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Nobody's dead in this scenario.

Well, he might as well be. The real Thor will be back before you know it.

[ZariusTwo]

The male Thor will still be playing a part in the Avengers books, he'll be using an axe instead of a hammer.

[Candy Kappa]

So... There is two Thors then? Didn't they say the female Thor was still The Thor?




... Wait. Is Thor now a Disney Princess?

[Leo656]

Conversations like that prove exactly how short-sighted and dumb this idea is. I mean, in the end it's just another temporary story that the media is blowing out of proportion like when Superman died, or got new powers... it kills me when they get SO swept up in this, though, because in 18 months not only will everything be back to the status quo, but nobody's ever gonna bring it up again, except to say, "Oh, man, remember that? Oof."

They could actually use those issues to tell "real" stories instead of trying to buy Brownie Points with the PC Police. Eh, not too many people read Thor anyway. But if Dude Thor is still around, having Chick Thor take over the main book is even more silly. Remember when Superman did that "World of New Krypton" thing in 2010 that took forever, and Superman wasn't in the main books anymore, even though he was still in the DCU and showing up in other books? They had Mon-El carry one book, Nightwing and Flamebird carrying the other book, and nobody at all read that sh*t. People were like, "Why would I buy a book called 'Superman' where Superman shows up on zero pages?"

Likewise, they can call the new chick "Thor", but it ain't. And it's even more "ain't" because the character's still hangin' around! They could have at least "killed" the guy off, but I guess they didn't want to because killing Thor seems like something they do a lot of as it is.

I mean, it's their book, you do have to shake things up and it's their story to tell, but with some things, you don't have to be a genius to have enough foresight to realize that ten years from now, people are going to say, "Why'd they waste their time with that?"

I'unno, both companies the last few years are pissing me off with all the stunts over stories crap. That and the price just really pushed me out of it.

[Jester]

Thor I can...kinda...understand. I mean the hammer does have the whole inscription.

BUT...why not give Sif or Valkyrie more to do? I mean, we have already created female characters, why not develop them instead of making She-Thor?

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on on Sam "Falcon" Wilson becoming the new Captain America?

[Leo656]

It's... interesting. Cap has recently become a "Legacy" character, so there's some precedent for it, I just find the timing... suspicious.

The two biggest "Aryan Wet Dream" Avengers get flipped upside-down in the same week or so? I don't knowwwww, maaaaaaan... that's what makes me think the main reasoning behind the entire thing was no more complicated than, "Wow... sure are a lot of white dudes on The Avengers. Could we get in trouble for that?"

I'm not really a Marvel guy anyway and haven't been able to buy comics in a long time regardless, but I kind of shake my head when I hear about stuff like this. So often it just seems so forced and contrived. If nothing else, spreading those two changes out a little bit would go a long way towards making the whole thing seem less like an editorial mandate and more like genuine character/story progression.

[Candy Kappa]

Sam Wilson's costume looked pretty cool, a lot better then Thor's female costume, as it got boob windows in the armor and possible a open belly window?

[Jester]

I'll miss the Falcon's abilities....but if anyone should be the "new" Cap I can't think of anyone better.

And the costume is cool.

[Leo656]

I'm just gonna leave this right here...

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

I'm happy about this! Love how Marvel is paying attention to the lack of female heroes out there and trying to fix it.

I don't think there's a lack of female superheroes. A lack of spotlight for them? With the exception of Wonder Woman in DC, yes. However, I think Marvel could have just given an established female superhero a "push" (to use a wrestling term) as a main Avenger. However, that wouldn't have gotten the same amount of press as replacing Thor.

I'm not against the idea of a female Thor. I'll give it a shot depending on the reviews. However, the cynic in me sees this as a PR stunt first and foremost. Plus, anyone who has read more than a few years worth of comics knows these changes don't last. Heck, even Barry Allen came back as the Flash after 20+ years.

[Leo656]

Yeah, man, there's literally a billion female super-heroes, of every race, color, and religion under the sun. Diversity, or lack thereof, is not the problem. The problem is, the general public only pays attention when there's a PR stunt like this. I'm much more familiar with the DC stable of characters, but Marvel has about twice as many characters as DC to begin with, so I'd assume based on what I've seen with my own eyes that a ton of them are chicks.

The problem is in how they present the characters they already have. You know how many people just assume Wolverine's the leader of the X-Men? I don't really follow their books, but even if he was at some point, I know for a fact Storm has put much more time in a leadership role. How many people know that, though?

You don't need to "flip" characters, and you really don't even need to create new ones. They already have a ton of stuff to work with, but taking a semi-obscure character and elevating them actually takes time and work. "Hey, look! Thor's got tits!" That's easy. And lazy.

[JamieH]

The recent changes, and news of changes to come, of Thor and Asgard are likely the right changes. Asgard has just had to leave Broxton, OK and earth itself. It was getting to a point that Asgard had overstayed it's welcome. Sometimes some things need to go away for a little while, otherwise they can begin to sour. Thor can be that way.

Look if Marvel had tossed a random writer onto this, sure, I could understand the negative opinions. But fact is that the guy that's been writing Thor for the past... I think 3 years, who has also been doing an amazing job, is still behind this new Thor. And whatever your opinion on Marvel may be, they do seem to trust their talent a bit more when they've proven themselves to be successful.

Also, if you haven't been reading comics for some time, you've got a limited knowledge on things. You don't have a current understanding on what's been going on or how well they've been done. Like it or not, you've become the same general public that doesn't know what's really happening or has happened.

And so what if things revert? Is it not possible that before they do we get some great storytelling that stands out on it's own? If you get too wrapped up in canon and changes (and fear of them) you can't enjoy something that is good on it's own merits. You certainly can't if you doom it to failure without knowing (or ignoring) the details or even giving it a chance.

[Leo656]

I see what you're getting at, but how many times have comics tried some big, dramatic "new direction" that only, at the end of the day, leaves people saying, "Wow, I wish they never did that"? I'm not saying "Never try anything new," but a lot of the times, flat-out bad ideas are obvious on their face, and once they're over, people just look back on the whole thing as wasted time, money and effort.

Sometimes you can just tell certain things aren't a good idea. Doing stories that you already know are going to be overwritten and then forever ignored in less than three years time? That's a really bad way to tell stories, if you ask me. I mean, I guess sometimes you never know until you try it, and it can go both ways, too - "World of New Krypton" was a Superman storyline that sounded like it absolutely had to be awesome, until they dragged it out in the most boring way possible and ruined it. But I think when some things just seem so blatantly designed solely to get some attention, it's already a bad idea.

If anyone looks back on these angles in ten years as anything other than, "Oof, remember that?" I'll be surprised.

[rickwj324]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Over the history of Thor, Thor has been a frog, an alien, a blue collar Joe named Thunderstrike, powerless, and "drawn" by Rob Liefeld. But apparently a woman is a bridge too far. Yeah, right.

Seriously, I don't know why people are bothered by this regardless - much as I love the concept, I'm fairly resigned to the fact that it'll die in the neck after everyone refuses to buy it.

Out of everything you just mentioned....the scariest one of them all is the "drawn by Rob Liefield" comment!! I got the shivers reading that....

[Candy Kappa]

Y'know what would be very awesome?

if the new Thor was Þrúðr, or Thrud. She is real-life Thor's daughter. Or maybe Torunn, Marvel's Thor's daughter in that animated movie (iirc)

But, Thrud would be great.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Leo656

They could actually use those issues to tell "real" stories instead of trying to buy Brownie Points with the PC Police.

Leo, if the PC Police don't regularly receive their tithe of genderbent and racebent characters, I hear they blight your crops and steal your firstborn.