"Thor" now a woman....

[Leolead]

Sounds like Superiour Spider-Man all over again Why not just make a series using a newly introduced character? This is just straight up stupid, just like Superior Spiderman, Technically, Thor Odinson is not turning female, he is losing the right to wield Mjolnir, and a female is taking his place.. well some people are taking it out of proportion though.

[JamieH]

I don't want to derail or go off topic here, but Superior Spider-Man was great. Doc Ock fixed every damn problem Peter Parker had in short order. By questionable means, but he got results. And it was actually a great example of how dangerous Spidey really is and could be. Plus, it created new problems for Peter Parker. Which it may seem like he always had plenty of those, but it had reached a point where you sort of knew what was going to happen next. Now? Hell, anything could happen. Even when Anna Maria told Peter she was pregnant, I halfway bought it for that brief moment until she revealed she only said it to get a chance to speak to him alone. Hell, I wanted it to be true. Even if the possibility of a midget Spider-Baby was to be retconned, I wanedt to see that played out. Christ, you want to talk about giving Peter Parker some guilt, imagine if she was pregnant, had a miscarriage and/or died, and the reason was because of his altered DNA and her body being unable to cope because of her size. He'd feel guiltier than a devout Catholic that used a condom.

It wasn't perfect, but it was a great change of pace. Now, you want to talk about bad Spidey story lines, One More Day. How that bag of bones Aunt May is still alive is beyond me. Hell, she has a better love life than Peter now. That just seems wrong on some level. They took away the one thing Peter Parker had to look forward to when he went home or called it a night, his jackpot, Mary Jane Watson. I mean damn, he accidentally kills his first love, possibly the love of his life, then he makes a deal with the devil that makes it so his marriage to his second love had never ****ing happened? All so Aunt May can live and he can get his secret identity back? That there was a tragedy and horrible case of a retcon.

[Leolead]

I'm sorry but i have to disagree, i'm a huge Spidey fan, i think the Ultimate universe handling of Spider-Man is phenomenal, and I think they treated it like a big deal, that Peter Parker went off as a hero to all. But reading t Superior Spider-Man actually disgusts me to the point I'm pretty done with it.
You have Doc Ock taking over Peter Parker's body and killing him. Then you have Spider-Man publicly killing people.

THEN they give a bit of hope that Peter Parker's still alive, and that he might be able to take back his body. Only to crush that hope very completely and kill him off in an undignified, stupidly bitter fashion. aside the idiocy of body-swapping Spider-Man with a cancer-ridden Doctor Octopus, that the Avengers realize something's wrong but the test results aren't able to be interpreted by the genius Avengers because they had the day off. you have Peter Parker shown to not have enough character or spirit to fight off Otto Octavius in his own head. It p!sses me off and just feels idiotic.

[Leo656]

Maybe I've only been exposed to "Bad Marvel", but that kinda stuff is a big reason why I never got into them. The art always looks good but the stories themselves seem so bad. Even reading summaries and synopses, so much of it's like, "What?" It's like they always got over by selling manufactured "angst" combined with very pretty pictures.

I'unno, DC's done more than their share of garbage, too, especially the last 5-10 years. A lot of people I converse about comics with pretty much have DC as more the "Story" company and Marvel as the "Art" company. DC's books never seem to care if their stuff looks good or not (some is amazing, some of it so amateurish it's insulting), but Marvel's stuff always looks great even if the story is nonsense.

I mean, both companies DID pay Rob Liefeld at some point, so there's lots of problems with both of 'em... but that's how I always seen them in general terms. I really like the Marvel movies, too, in that they do a good job of telling the basic story without all the clutter and crap that the books have. The movies have their own good and bad parts but they're infinitely more accessible than the comics.

[JamieH]

Originally Posted by Leolead

I'm sorry but i have to disagree, i'm a huge Spidey fan, i think the Ultimate universe handling of Spider-Man is phenomenal, and I think they treated it like a big deal, that Peter Parker went off as a hero to all. But reading t Superior Spider-Man actually disgusts me to the point I'm pretty done with it.
You have Doc Ock taking over Peter Parker's body and killing him. Then you have Spider-Man publicly killing people.

THEN they give a bit of hope that Peter Parker's still alive, and that he might be able to take back his body. Only to crush that hope very completely and kill him off in an undignified, stupidly bitter fashion. aside the idiocy of body-swapping Spider-Man with a cancer-ridden Doctor Octopus, that the Avengers realize something's wrong but the test results aren't able to be interpreted by the genius Avengers because they had the day off. you have Peter Parker shown to not have enough character or spirit to fight off Otto Octavius in his own head. It p!sses me off and just feels idiotic.

So... you probably didn't like What If? Spier-Man Vs. Wolverine?

And you have to admit the first few issues of Ultimate Spidey were rough. I've talked to so many people that couldn't get past those first few issues. I haven't read Ultimate Spidey in years, but I did read, I think, the first 14 or so TPB volumes and I enjoyed everything after those initial issues. From what I've heard the initial poor reception and sales to Ultimate SM is why #1 went up in value so quickly and continues to do so. What I'm saying is, Ultimate has it's faults too.

But, come on, you don't like Jonah being able to legitimately say Spider-Man is a menace because of the nasty things Doc Ock did while he was in control? Heh. How about the fact that it seems they're updating Jonah's character by having him become a talking head with his own show on a news network? Which, I think it's brilliant, that's pretty much what he was before such people and shows became a thing.

But yeah, I understand your point/s if you're a big Spidey guy. Over the years I've just gotten a lot more lax about continuity. But, I admit to getting uptight about Wolverine stuff since I'm a big Wolverine fan. So I totally see where you're coming from.

But ah, agree to disagree?

[Raven]

The current arcs on Thor have been wonderful, and since this change is being handled by the same writer I'm game. For me its all how its presented, because we all know its going to get changed back in a year or so.

So I'm going to enjoy the ride and see what they do with this situation, it just cant possible be any thing worse then the clone wars.

[ZariusTwo]

I agree with Leolead, Superior Spider-Man was intellect-insulting garbage that can only be enjoyed by intentionally lowering your standards and displaying a deliberate lack of respect and understanding of the Spider-Man world and the standard intelligence of the supporting cast, none of which was on display through this story, if it were, it would have been blissfully short or at least a hell of a lot more interesting. It is almost worse than One More Day and the notion it got incredible sales baffles and infuriates me, but then, these are the same people who pay for Bayformers movies.

I look forward to the day someone new takes over the EIC posistions and cosmic retcons all of this crap. Thank god the Spidey newspaper strip and Spider-Girl universes, both far superior reads in contrast to Slott's wretched drivel, completly ignore this stuff and establish Peter is pretty damn well-off.

To put it in greater perspective, Superior is so mind-numbingly terrible that the newspaper comic is presently devoting a whole arc to showing how it SHOULD have been done, and all without a Freaky Friday mind-switch. The result? Infinitely better story

PS: Peter's said several times in the comics that MJ is the love of his life, so no "perhaps" in regards to Gwen being that.

[Leolead]

JamieH well i actually enjoyed the first 8 issues of USM, i noW have 11 volumes/graphic novels of USM, but yeah let's just agree to disagree, no hard feeilings, but this is getting off topic lol, i'll give this new Thor a chance like SSM.