Has Guardians of the Galaxy already won August

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Sumac

The one with the Superman knock-off?

The whole team as well Squadron Sinister are Justice League knockoffs. The hook is the Avengers biggest rivals are essentially the Justice League.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Powder

I'm sure he can afford to remain healthy even at such an age, what with all that money he made on other peoples ideas...

Sorry, I don't subscribe to the belief that Stan is a no talent hack that stole everything. If you think he is, fine.

I'll acknowledge that he got more recognition on things he collaborated on than many of his partners, but that's expected when you're a charismatic and shameless self promoter.

Glad he was because there's a chance we wouldn't have a lot of the characters or perhaps even Marvel itself if he wasn't such.

And no disrespect intended towards Kirby in any way whatsoever. He's a legend, and rightly so.

[Sumac]

The whole team as well Squadron Sinister are Justice League knockoffs. The hook is the Avengers biggest rivals are essentially the Justice League.

Heh. Interesting.
Personally, I'd love to see Marvel making movie about their own version of Superman or Justice League knock-offs and make it succesful. It would have been insanely funny.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Sorry, I don't subscribe to the belief that Stan is a no talent hack that stole everything. If you think he is, fine.

I'll acknowledge that he got more recognition on things he collaborated on than many of his partners, but that's expected when you're a charismatic and shameless self promoter.

Glad he was because there's a chance we wouldn't have a lot of the characters or perhaps even Marvel itself if he wasn't such.

And no disrespect intended towards Kirby in any way whatsoever. He's a legend, and rightly so.

Stan deserves a lot of praise. A lot. He does, however, get a bit more credit than he deserves. People treat him as if he singlehandedly created everything worthwhile in Marvel comics, when in reality he was only a very, very important part of it. I have no hate for the guy at all, but since he's so ready to take the bows for projects on which he was a collaborator rather than the sole creator, I can totally understand why a lot of people are irritated by him.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

Stan deserves a lot of praise. A lot. He does, however, get a bit more credit than he deserves. People treat him as if he singlehandedly created everything worthwhile in Marvel comics, when in reality he was only a very, very important part of it. I have no hate for the guy at all, but since he's so ready to take the bows for projects on which he was a collaborator rather than the sole creator, I can totally understand why a lot of people are irritated by him.

Stan's an interesting case, really. He became the big comics celebrity not just because of talent, but because he had a lot of charisma and ambition. He thrived in and enjoyed the spotlight in a way that many other writers and artists didn't. He was also more of a company man than most of the artists he collaborated with, and was in turn pretty well taken care of by the company in a way that nobody else was. It certainly wasn't fair, but I don't think you can entirely blame Stan for that. And in a way, the Marvel brand that was partially built on Stan Lee's personality owes a lot to him for becoming what it did.

That said... I'm a Kirby fan, and I do feel that it's criminal how he was overshadowed on his own co-creations, how much work he put in to be so frequently sidelined, and how poorly he was treated by Marvel overall. There's a lot of really valid anger over that situation, and the many like it at Marvel in those days. But I'm not sure Stan deserves to get the total brunt of it like he often does, though I'll always feel he could and should have done more to "share the wealth" with his collaborators.

But in an industry where Bob Kane existed, it's hard to hold too much anger for Stan Lee.

[Jester]

But Stan is also ready to credit Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko for their work on the Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, X-men, Fantastic Four, Spider-man, Dr. Strange, you name it.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Jester

But Stan is also ready to credit Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko for their work on the Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, X-men, Fantastic Four, Spider-man, Dr. Strange, you name it.

Exactly. He may take a lot of credit, even too much at times, but he doesn't pretend that his collaborators didn't co-create those characters and concepts (ahem, Bob Kane).

Honestly, it's just a shame that Kirby wasn't taken care of by Marvel as well as Stan was. There are lots of reasons for that, some I understand and some I never will. But ultimately it never felt like they were on equal standing like they should have been. I can't really blame Stan for enjoying the fruits of his labours. I just wish there was more to go around.

[NinjaPug]

Speaking of Stan Lee, why does he have a cameo in GOTG? He didn't create any if the characters.

I'm so tired of his cameos.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Bry

Honestly, it's just a shame that Kirby wasn't taken care of by Marvel as well as Stan was. There are lots of reasons for that, some I understand and some I never will. But ultimately it never felt like they were on equal standing like they should have been. I can't really blame Stan for enjoying the fruits of his labours. I just wish there was more to go around.

Well Kirby isn't exactly around to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Speaking of Stan Lee, why does he have a cameo in GOTG? He didn't create any if the characters.

I'm so tired of his cameos.

Does he?


Maybe it's because he created Ronan the Accuser...

...and Groot...really?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Jester

Does he?


Maybe it's because he created Ronan the Accuser...

...and Groot...really?

I didn't realize he had a hand in creating Groot, but yeah he's got a cameo in GOTG.

http://www.slashfilm.com/guardians-o...tan-lee-cameo/

[Jester]

Yeah, I was shocked too.

[Shadowsculptor]

Stan Lee can have cameo in any marvel movie as far as I'm concerned. Without Stan Lee, there would be no Marvel. Especially the marvel we know today.

[Shark_Blade]

Obviously he's invited to be featured in the film. Not like he DEMANDED to be in movies. There's no harm in that.

And I like his little cameos.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Obviously he's invited to be featured in the film. Not like he DEMANDED to be in movies. There's no harm in that.

And I like his little cameos.

yea, i think shark is right..i cant remember any films where he has demanded...and theres even a few he never made it in and one he was cut from

[RaphaelinSTL]

I don't know about you guys but I could care less about Guardians of the Galaxy.

I get way people are pumped (OOOOO MARVEL UNIVERSE OOOOO) but even with a fun cast (I love John C. Reilly ya dingus) I just can't get interested in this.

It's August 8th and TMNT all the way.

[Leo656]

Anybody ever read Stan's "Just Imagine..." series at DC? Oof. The "hack" label may not be entirely justified, but... oof.

I'm almost 99% sure he dogged that assignment on purpose, though. I'm almost positive he'd never even dream of giving up any good ideas to his biggest competitor, even if he got paid a ton of money.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Anybody ever read Stan's "Just Imagine..." series at DC? Oof. The "hack" label may not be entirely justified, but... oof.

I'm almost 99% sure he dogged that assignment on purpose, though. I'm almost positive he'd never even dream of giving up any good ideas to his biggest competitor, even if he got paid a ton of money.

Oh man, you actually read those? I've kinda wanted to read them just to see how they actually are, but I've heard enough bad things that I haven't bothered... yet, anyway.

But yeah - the '60s were a different time, and he also had the benefit of some really gifted (like, all-time greats gifted) collaborators to bring out the best in his work -- and vice versa, to be fair. They was really keyed into something back then, but the art form evolved between then and 2001, and Stan... kinda didn't. There's Amazing Spider-Man/Fantastic Four-era Stan Lee... and then there's "Stripperella" Stan Lee. Clearly something changed in between there. He always viewed comics as a stepping stone to bigger things, which never really developed, so I can see why he maybe lost the energy he had before. He's probably best off being everyone's kooky Comics Industry Grandpa these days, anyway.

That series had some really great artists, though. Maybe worth checking out for that alone? (Hey, you tell me.)

[Pondslider]

[Leo656]

I have a couple of 'em, I think just the Superman and Batman ones. It was kinda neat in that he was basically making a whole new "universe" with the new characters and having them all be interconnected, and having one main villain be the antagonist behind everything, it just wasn't very good regardless. And, of course, if a person hates "small" universes where the actions of one or two people bring an entire world together, well, that's the deal with that line.

I only read a few of them and it was forever ago, but I remember they were bad. Thing is, they were like, almost exactly the same as old Marvel comics, what with the never-ending exposition sequences, and everything either being because of Aliens, Radiation, or Radioactive Aliens. Definitely an odd read.