RIP Robin Williams

[Xav]

You know he actually was a TMNT fan? He read the Mirage comics, and was the one who convinced Judith Hoag to try out for the role of April.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I really have no clue why people let themselves get so depressed. There's medication, your family/friends, or psychiatrists to see to help you.

The scary thing is people who are actually rich and have families that kill themselves like the case here. I guess money doesn't bring happiness.

This is where genuine mental illness becomes a factor. "Depression" doesn't mean you're sad. It's a condition, no different from schizophrenia, bipolarity, etc. I misunderstood it greatly when I was younger, before counseling, which helped greatly. These are things some people are born with, and others develop over time. But it can no more be controlled with "positive thoughts" or lots of money than you can grow six inches just by thinking really hard. You can't "wish" your way out of it. When you have a condition, your brain is simply wired differently than other people. And the first step to getting out of it, is to know that for yourself.

Medication and psychiatrists cost money, and lots of it, and being medicated is tricky because there's no "Magic Pill" that works for everyone. If you're misdiagnosed, or prescribed the wrong medicine, it can actually make your condition WORSE, and even cause MORE depression and suicidal thoughts. A lot of it is guesswork until you find the right meds, and in the meanwhile, a lot can go tragically wrong. I've never been medicated, as I've been told my own condition doesn't warrant it, thankfully. For some people it's just one more complication.

Finally, and this is important, some people have no friends or family to turn to. Seems hard to believe, but especially in these days where everyone is living their life through a computer screen, people are becoming dangerously isolated. I'm surrounded by people, constantly, friends, co-workers, etc... but they aren't friends. They don't genuinely care about me, and I know that, because at times when I "let my guard down" and let them in, try to hint that I may have something I need help with, they push me away, just like the article I posted explains. Nobody cares about anyone else's problems, not really. They're an inconvenience, generally. So, when you know you have no one to turn to, you just bottle things up until you snap. Sometimes you "snap" permanently. Unless you've been there, you can't understand. I don't have any family, which is why it hurts so much when my wife and I don't get along, because I do treasure her, because she's all I have.

So, those things that seem like such easy solutions - meds, counseling, friends and family - just aren't available to everyone. Simple as that.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I really have no clue why people let themselves get so depressed. There's medication, your family/friends, or psychiatrists to see to help you.

The scary thing is people who are actually rich and have families that kill themselves like the case here. I guess money doesn't bring happiness.

I have no clue why people let themselves get epilepsy. Or diabetes. Or Parkinson's Disease.

Gosh, could it possibly be that mental illness... is not a choice? Like nearly every other freaking illness out there? That some people struggle for years to find a medication that works? Seriously Cubed, you don't just take a pill, go to a few counselling sessions and voila - it's fixed for the rest of your life.

I know you're just being you but jesus... so not in the mood today.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There's medication, your family/friends, or psychiatrists to see to help you.

if its that easy then please

makes money gesture

give me the cash so i can afford to go see a doctor

[plastroncafe]

I can't speak for other people with Major Depression, but I'm just in it for the sweet lucrative endorsement deals.

[pennydreadful]

I'm in it for the attention. Makes me feel all special inside.

[Netkeeper]

i'm in it to get out of having a job because everyone feels sorry for me and hopes i get better instead of denying i actually have anything wrong with me in the first place and saying i'm just lazy or a liar

[Wildcat]

Wow you guys really jumped down his throat about the meds, family/friends and psychiatrist thing.

No one is saying you get instantly cured but those ARE things you SHOULD do to get help. Just like with any illness. You don't let it go or ignore it.

Turning to family, friends or mental help is not worth the effort is a terrible thing to imply. Which is what you guys sound like.

[Netkeeper]

really because i specifically stated i cant afford to see a doctor

id LOVE to see one in fact if my town had a hospital i would have already walked to it and admitted myself to the ER i am incredibly desperate

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Xav

You know he actually was a TMNT fan? He read the Mirage comics, and was the one who convinced Judith Hoag to try out for the role of April.

Whoa, seriously?!

If that's true, that's pretty awesome. Thanks Williams!

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

really because i specifically stated i cant afford to see a doctor

id LOVE to see one in fact if my town had a hospital i would have already walked to it and admitted myself to the ER i am incredibly desperate

I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic but not being able to afford medical help is a poor excuse for something as serious as suicide

What if you were in some kind of accident or came in contact with somthing toxic? You're gonna just be all...well can't afford it, hope I don't die.

Ya right.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Wow you guys really jumped down his throat about the meds, family/friends and psychiatrist thing.

No one is saying you get instantly cured but those ARE things you SHOULD do to get help. Just like with any illness. You don't let it go or ignore it.

Turning to family, friends or mental help is not worth the effort is a terrible thing to imply. Which is what you guys sound like.

More terrible than the implication that my depression is my own fault because I let it get bad?
Because I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

But please, continue to tell me how to manage my genetic predispositions, random stranger on the internet.

[Netkeeper]

i've already run into something toxic. its name is depression.

[Leo656]

Oof. Some stuff jabs bein' thrown all'a sudden. People ought'a take a second to read and review before they hit "Submit", I'm thinkin'.

[pennydreadful]

People jump down his throat because they're sick of him constantly saying ignorant things, when it's perfectly obvious that he actually knows better.

Not everybody is able to admit that they need help in the first place. The entire point is that when you have a mental illness, the way you are thinking at that time seems perfectly normal. You don't always realize that you're sick, that your thinking is illogical or irrational or unhealthy. You think that the way you're feeling makes perfect sense. It creeps up on you a little bit at a time. It's hard to get treated for a problem when you don't realize that you have it.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

More terrible than the implication that my depression is my own fault because I let it get bad?
Because I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

But please, continue to tell me how to manage my genetic predispositions, random stranger on the internet.

Yes, exactly, Im saying its the person's fault...well you got me.

Seriously you know what I meant. You don't let things escalate...that goes for any illness.

Should we all ignore our medical problems just so we can debate who has it worse?

[Candy Kappa]

medicines don't always work, or they work just enough so you can get through one day at a time.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Yes, exactly, Im saying its the person's fault...well you got me.

Seriously you know what I meant. You don't let things escalate...that goes for any illness.

Should we all ignore our medical problems just so we can debate who has it worse?

I'm not sure what I love more about this comment, the obvious fact that you know absolutely nothing about depression or bipolar disorder, or the fact that you're trying to backpedal your comment by employing the slippery slope defense.

Cyber is being an insensitive heel and we called him out on that.

[arkangel]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Not everybody is able to admit that they need help in the first place. The entire point is that when you have a mental illness, the way you are thinking at that time seems perfectly normal. You don't always realize that you're sick, that your thinking is illogical or irrational or unhealthy. You think that the way you're feeling makes perfect sense. It creeps up on you a little bit at a time. It's hard to get treated for a problem when you don't realize that you have it.

This is 100% on the mark. Working as a psychiatric nurse for 20 years, I can say from experience that this is unfortunately the norm and what makes mental illnesses so insideous and difficult to treat. Well said.

[Leo656]

Many people don't even get the right medication right away, as I mentioned. Sometimes you get something that makes everything worse, and then things can get scary real quick.

Again, no "Magic Pill" that works for everyone, unfortunately. And some people don't need to or want to take pills, they just feel alone and wish they had someone to talk to or be with. Everybody's different. Nobody's all depressed for the same reasons and nobody's all so easy to "fix" as it seems on paper. Life don't work that way.