Will you Add the New Movie to your DVD/Bluray Collection?

[Bry]

This movie's mere existence starts arguments daily. I know there's always been some divisive stuff in the franchise, but has anything else been this bad?

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by LeoRaph

I don't think so.

He could have said is water wet? With excitement not an eyeroll. It's the equivalent of saying what a dumb question. Not being sensitive just calling crap.

Anyway, I don't want to start something but have a look at the difference and you tell me.

This is like asking "is water wet"?

This is like asking "is water wet"?

Clearly they convey different things.

Ok....He's still only talking about himself though.

Nobody is coming at anyone here.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Bry

This movie's mere existence starts arguments daily. I know there's always been some divisive stuff in the franchise, but has anything else been this bad?

Not that I recall. It just boils down to the fact that it just wasn't that good and there's so much violent 'it's TMNT what do you mean it's not good???' kinda defense going on.

I assume if the movie was way better we wouldn't have had such a strong divide. Sure there will always be people that will hate it regardless, stuff like why isn't there any blood, or why aren't all their bandanas red or whatever, but I;m sure there wouldn't be such a strong divide as what we're seeing here.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Not that I recall. It just boils down to the fact that it just wasn't that good

Stop. Stop right there. That's not a fact at all.

Stop it with the 'my opinion is fact' bullcrap.

[sdp]

No, because I don't care about physical media anymore but I'll keep a digital copy.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Stop. Stop right there. That's not a fact at all.

Stop it with the 'my opinion is fact' bullcrap.

Then how else do you explain such a violent divide? Do you honestly think there would be this much discussion and closed threads if the movie was better? I don't remember TMNT 07 threads being closed and whatnot back in the day. Yeah, there was a dif in opinon, but the overall consensus was, it wasn't that great but man that Leo VS Raph fight was sweet. No closed threads. No huge arguements.

[Powder]

While I share your thoughts, Coola, there's no denying that the way you word things (opinions as facts- over & over, mind you) is going to cause problems. It is a matter of opinion, & we all know where we stand already. Let's just answer the question this thread proposes, & move on...

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Then how else do you explain such a violent divide?

There are a lot of morons on this message board. Done.

Everything else you said had nothing to do with what I brought up. It's not a 'fact' that it's a bad movie. Opinions are not facts.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Powder

While I share your thoughts, Coola, there's no denying that the way you word things (opinions as facts- over & over, mind you) is going to cause problems. It is a matter of opinion, & we all know where we stand already. Let's just answer the question this thread proposes, & move on...

Yeah sure, aight. I've said my piece. Though it is still a fact that TMNT 2007 didn't have as much violent debates and such a huge divide, and I'm sure most of can agree of an overall opinion about it by now in retrospect. I am sure there were some multi-page threads with difference of opinions, but nothing that would have caused locked threads like this one is causing.

Originally Posted by The Stryker

There are a lot of morons on this message board. Done.

Pretty sure most of the people here were also here for when TMNT 07 came out back then. How did this movie suddenly turn them all into morons?

[LeoRaph]

Alright, I don't want this thread to be closed but clearly the opinions of this movie are divided. There are those who will buy the movie because they genuinely liked it, those who didn't like it but will buy it because they want to complete the series and those who don't like it and don't want it.

If we can all just put our personal opinions aside for the time being and collectively look at what worked and what didn't on an objective level maybe we may find why this is such a thread killer.

I think if anything can be a fact of this movie is it IS a bad script (alot of it came from Blue Door and we all know how people feel about that) and the fighting was not martial arts. Character interpretation including designs and casting is a matter of personal taste so people will love or hate but the script IS bad and has many story telling flaws that most people here can agree on. Even if Sachs was Shredder in the whole movie and scenes weren't cut there are just too many lazy things that can't be ignored on an objective not subjective level.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by LeoRaph

I think if anything can be a fact of this movie is it IS a bad script (alot of it came from Blue Door and we all know how people feel about that) and the fighting was not martial arts. Character interpretation including designs and casting is a matter of personal taste so people will love or hate but the script IS bad and has many story telling flaws that most people here can agree on. Even if Sachs was Shredder in the whole movie and scenes weren't cut there are just too many lazy things that can't be ignored on an objective not subjective level.

You see, that's all exactly the points. The violent arguing and locked threads come from the people strongly opposing all of this, or others saying 'it's just a TMNT movie who cares', or acting like it's the best movie ever, despite all of this proof to the contrary. Most of em can't even give solid reasons why they think it's good other than 'it's not a bad movie' or 'it's TMNT' or explain away all the flaws.

My main issue is that Bay and co just wanted a quick cash grab without any heart, thought or effort, and everyone that helped make this movie # 1 for a week or so are proving that it doesn't matter what they do they'll go see it anyways cause it's TMNT. At this rate, why even bother making a good sequel? They can totally half-ass it, and just toss in Casey and/or Bebop and Rocksteady and it'll be number 1 for several weeks in a row again.

It's Transformers all over again. Everyone complains, yet they all go see it, and tons of money is made. Bay sees no problem, and just cranks out another half-assed movie cause everyone will watch it and make tons more money. It reminds me of the XBox One back when they had all those rules like 'it won't work if its not online' and 'you have to pay to unlock a pre-owned game' and all that. Everyone complained, yet the systems were already sold out. Yeah, Microsoft went back and removed all those weird restrictions, but honestly, at that point, they kinda didn't have to since the systems were already sold out.

I guess that's what bugs me, and I'm sorry if my repeated rantings annoys everyone. I just feel we deserved better, not this mess that we got. But it seemed everyone (or most everyone) like this mess and are telling PD and so forth to just make another mess of a sequel cause they'll eat it up no matter what. We honestly won't see better until these guys end their run and a better director steps up to the plate.

Like I said before, I'm not buying this on DVD or Blue Ray or whatever, I'm speaking with my wallet. I don't feel the need to buy every last piece of merchandise just because it has the TMNT logo on it, and this is one movie I can surely do without.

[Jester]

Seriously Coola, it's just getting old. Knock it off.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I guess that's what bugs me, and I'm sorry if my repeated rantings annoys everyone. I just feel we deserved better, not this mess that we got. But it seemed everyone (or most everyone) like this mess and are telling PD and so forth to just make another mess of a sequel cause they'll eat it up no matter what. We honestly won't see better until these guys end their run and a better director steps up to the plate.

I understand how you feel. The problem is that Bay and his co. simply don't care about what's wrong with their product. As long as it makes money, it's good enough for them. They don't care about fans, and only want to do what they think is best. Which is sad, but true.

The only thing to do is too not watch it. It's going to be another Transformers again.
People are going to keep seeing it, not matter how much quality it lacks.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

I understand how you feel. The problem is that Bay and his co. simply don't care about what's wrong with their product. As long as it makes money, it's good enough for them. They don't care about fans, and only want to do what they think is best. Which is sad, but true.

The only thing to do is too not watch it. It's going to be another Transformers again.
People are going to keep seeing it, not matter how much quality it lacks.

Exactly, and it's such a shame really. I guess it just bugs me more because while the same can be said for Transformers, I just wasn't into G1 that much except for the animated movie and Dinobots episodes. Yeah the movies were screwed up, but I didn't know or remember much about the series to care all that much. Kinda like X-Men and Fantastic Four. Was never that big on the FF so the movies sucking were kinda eh, oh well. I was bit more invested in the X-Men, so the Last Stand was just painful to watch.

TMNT is probably my longest lasting fandom so this movie does annoy the hell out me and I personally feel this could have been so much better and didn't deserve the transformers treatment.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I for one will be buying it, NOT simply for the sake of completion, but because I genuinely liked it. Plot holes aside, it WAS a decent TMNT movie, and certainly a different take. And while SOME may have been turned off by the designs, Megan Fox, etc, I actually enjoyed those aspects. Their designs seemed rather strange at first, but after seeing them in several trailers, I warmed up to them quickly, and now, I actually LIKE them, because they FEEL "real". I've seen it twice- 3D both times- and the details of their designs were what helped sell them to me. Call it cluttered or impractical if you will, but it felt like they had actually cobbled their gear together out of found materials- which makes sense for kids raised IN A SEWER. Seriously. They weren't going out and finding Ray Bans and brand new Nikes or a brand-spanking new X-Box One to use. Donnie had a freaking Nintindo Powerglove that he converted into a controller for his equipment. I loved that "lived-in" feel to the lair and their gear.

As for April Fox, why are we so concerned about her acting skills in a movie where she's really more of a plot device anyway? She's meant to be a catalyst and a link between the turtles and everything around them. It doesn't take Oscar-level acting to portray that, and she did a decent job for what the character was there for. Vernon was fun and entertaining, and I liked his obvious attempts to flirt and get her to go out with him. It was like one of those co-workers who you know likes you, but you just aren't interested, but who refuses to give up. We all know people like that.

Whatever problems the script had, that doesn't mean the ENTIRE movie was "bad"- just that it had some hiccups in the plot and dialog that needed ironing out. And that's okay- it's not "The Godfather", after all. Probably would have been much better if parts hadn't been cut out. I suspect that we WILL see some of those parts when the DVD/Blue Ray come out, and these just might change some people's minds, especially if there is an "uncut" version with additional footage. I really hope we get one, because some of the people who seem to have the MOST problems with this film, would probably feel differently if not for the gaps.

[zodiac brave]

at this point the movie is the movie.

it exists as is and theres no changing what we ended up with.

i was gonna get in on the whole debate about the quality of it, what bay wanted or what he was trying to get out of it or whatever...but im pretty tired of it all.

i'll be getting it, because i liked it.

no, it wasn't great, yes it being "turtles" is a pretty big reason why i can tolerate it and i dont give a single lump of crap about whether or not anyone else cares about why i like it or what they think of me for liking it.

i'm actually buying it twice.

once for the target bonus disc to satisfy my film buff love of BTS features and docs and once for the amazon version because i think that raphael statue is tuff.

the world will not end if the people who like it get and the people who dont, dont. it also won't end if everyone stops endlessly debating the same tired arguments and starting the same fights.

it's gonna look good next to all my other tmnt blu-rays.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'll only buy a special "no nostrils" edition if they release it. No TMNT DVD will sit on my shelf with nostrils on the Turtles.

All the nostrils for you Cubed!

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'll only buy a special "no nostrils" edition if they release it. No TMNT DVD will sit on my shelf with nostrils on the Turtles.

If the Turtles don't have Nostrils, how are they supposed to breath?

[go_ninja84]

your half right, they dont care about making a movie that caters to the roots of TMNT we all know and grew up with. they just wanted to tell a story with action, and suspense. which i think they did. they had alot of intense scenes and sweet fighting (example Shredder and Splinters fight scene when they invaded their lair). did anyone think maybe it was not aimed towards a fan of 30 yrs, maybe aimed towards younger generations and maybe might be interested in older incarnations of TMNT

[Autbot_Benz]

For someone who hates turtle nostrils Cyber sure does talk about them a lot. I think when nobodys looking he is secretly looking up turtle nostrils.