toy story 4 confirmed

[Wildcat]

@Leo656,

I'm 30 so I remember and have grown up with alot of popular franchises that have continued on or have been updated but I didn't end up thinking Hollywood went downhill after some recent point in time.

I mean people can not pick when Hollywood was the best. Doesn't work that way. Average-to-bad movies have always been around. I see the same complaints you just listed..."too shiny, new, uncreative and should stop".

I think part of it is just because they grew up with things. As if things were not shiny and new back then? Plus do people really expect some franchises to end forever?

Maybe that's just the way it is...people always consider their era as "better".

[joefsas]

I agree that TS3 was a good way to end but at the same time i can't help but be a little excited

[Jester]

As long as the story maintains its quality, I'm game. I agree that TS3 was a great ending of the trilogy, but the shorts have all been fun, maybe a 4th film will be just as good as the other Toy Story media.

[Leofan26]

Yah I was sad when I heard the news too, was I hoping Woody stayed with Andy instead at the of the film? Sure, was really rooting for that type of ending. Whatever, liked the films ending either way.

While I was looking on the brighter side of things, I was hopeful maybe it could be a pre about Woody's past life with Andy's dad. That's right folks, creators confirmed in interviews he was once Andy's dad's toy. Than it got leaked that this film will be about a love story, my guess it will be a closing for
Woody's character. I do feel bad that he didn't end up with any one in the third one but he didn't seem to mind so I didn't, now this happens

Either we will get introduced to a new female character and it goes the Jessie story type root that they'll have to rescue her blah blah blah end on a happy sappy note. Or Bo Peep will return, be bought by Bonnie. I don't think her VA sadly wants to return for the role, that was the problem with the third flick right? My guess the first opinion. Am I happy about this direction? No, will I see it? Yah most likely. I am a big Woody fan and am curious what they have in store for him this arc.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Really not sure about this. One the one hand, I love this series. However, This movie might come off as tacked on and unnecessary after the 3rd film ended the series perfectly. Oh well, we'll see what happens.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Well at least John Lasseter is coming back, and he did say in an interview that the only way they'll do another Toy Story is when they have thought of a good Plot, so who knows, this might be the best plot yet

[PangolinFeets]

Toy Story: Beyond Thunderdome.

[Sumac]

it's literally JUST being made because the guys making it want bigger swimming pools

Pretty much every big project is made for money. It's nothing new.
Also, there is definitely modern trend of total hatred for everything.

[ZariusTwo]

Definitely don't mind another one, haven't been let down by one yet, and the shorts are really good.

[CyberCubed]

This just proves they simply can't let the cash cow die. They should have just left it at 3 and continued making 22 minute shorts instead.

Its sickening to see a franchise that ended being continued like raising a zombie from the corpse.

[chrisdude]

I totally agree that every movie series goes bad, eventually. As long as your last movie was good, the next one will make money, even if it's garbage. Because viewers don't know until they know. As much as we talk about rotten tomatoes, and all the reviews, nothing stops a fan from seeing the sequel to a good movie.

And it's funny that someone mentioned Terminator, because that's a perfect example. The first movie provide a closure. The second movie was solid ending. And the third movie, even if you didn't like it, closed the story. They could've stopped at any time. But they made one more... It's like cutting open stitches and walking away.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This just proves they simply can't let the cash cow die. They should have just left it at 3 and continued making 22 minute shorts instead.

Its sickening to see a franchise that ended being continued like raising a zombie from the corpse.

Did it really end though? You could almost do Toy Story in sagas. They ended the Andy saga, now it's on to the Bonnie saga. But hell, for all we know, 4 could very be the end of it all.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Pretty much every big project is made for money. It's nothing new.
Also, there is definitely modern trend of total hatred for everything.

That doesn't make it right, hombre. Ever hear the saying, "Always leave 'em wanting more"? Or the flip side of that, "Don't wear out your welcome"?

And as I stated earlier, I refuse to quit observing things deeper than the surface JUST because a bunch of teenagers got on the internet one day and all simultaneously discovered jaded sarcasm. Not Everything Is Awesome Just Because It Exists.

I mean, let's be fair, even if TS4 is a lesser one in its own franchise, it's STILL going to be better than most kids' movies, that's a given. Nobody's arguing that. My point is, they don't need to do another one just because they can, and if they keep on keeping on, then eventually the bottom WILL fall out, and then you have a broken brand worth a pittance compared to what it is now. This isn't a case of, "Oh, you guys nowadays hate everything", it's a case of a rare situation where you have a completely pristine property, unmolested, and then you have the inability of the handlers to exploit it without inevitably ruining it. Again, the gambling analogy. The only way to "win" at gambling is knowing when to walk away. And make no mistake, making films that cost half a billion dollars is gambling.

Like I said, I'll see it, we'll all see it, and it'll probably be Pretty Good if nothing else. But c'mon, what are the odds of it being anywhere near as good as the rest? I mean, if people are happy with More Product For Product's Sake, fine, that's your issue. I truly, genuinely think that stuff has to have a justification for existing or being created, and that raison d'etre should be more than just "Mo' dollaz, yo." Clearly, we disagree on that.

Partly, I'm nervous about my wife's reaction, being honest. She's unnaturally in love with those flicks. If they ever screw it up, she's going to be very uncomfortable to be around.

Originally Posted by Roman Reigns

Did it really end though? You could almost do Toy Story in sagas. They ended the Andy saga, now it's on to the Bonnie saga. But hell, for all we know, 4 could very be the end of it all.

It sure felt like a perfect place to end it. I could go on and on about a lot of my own (oft-proven) theories about films and film series, such as how no series can ever possibly maintain its quality for more than two, at the most three films before starting a slide downhill (often a fast one), or how a Trilogy is the only proper way to do a successful franchise (in short, only two films isn't a "franchise" or enough time to tell a story with scale, but more than three films, you inevitably lose quality), and finally, how every film series with more than three films to its name becomes almost impossible to sell and market to anyone but hardcore collectors. I could, I just don't want to be here all day. Long story short, whether it's Toy Story or any film franchise, three is always either Just Right or Already Too Much. There's a math and a science to this stuff.

Unless we're talking about Rocky movies and that's an entirely different animal anyways.

Anyways, Trilogies are a way make good films with a sense of "epic scale" and tell a good (or at least decent) story. "Sagas" are what happens when the studio gets greedy and wants to re-sell you the same movies you've already bought twice, but with One More New Movie and a shiny new collector's case.

[Sumac]

And it's funny that someone mentioned Terminator, because that's a perfect example. The first movie provide a closure. The second movie was solid ending. And the third movie, even if you didn't like it, closed the story.

More like it was second movie that provided definite conslusion (especially Director's cut) and the third movie set a very big sequel hook.

That doesn't make it right, hombre. Ever hear the saying, "Always leave 'em wanting more"? Or the flip side of that, "Don't wear out your welcome"?

Doesn't change that saying "every big project made for money nowadays" sounds rather wrong, since it always was the case. Big movies always were made with profit in mind. And usually only their success prompted people behind them to produce sequels.

As for TS4 - I have confidence in Pixar and I wish the best for their new project.

I mean, if people are happy with More Product For Product's Sake, fine, that's your issue. I truly, genuinely think that stuff has to have a justification for existing or being created, and that raison d'etre should be more than just "Mo' dollaz, yo." Clearly, we disagree on that.

This logic is faulty.
Because, if you go by it then there is no reason for majority of the movies (and anything else in the culture) to exist in the first place.

And as I stated earlier, I refuse to quit observing things deeper than the surface JUST because a bunch of teenagers got on the internet one day and all simultaneously discovered jaded sarcasm. Not Everything Is Awesome Just Because It Exists.

I find this position rather...strange.
It's like admiting, that you can be smart, but most of the time prefer just to be like everyone else stupid-self. I don't think it's commendable and I am not really sure what profit is in it, but whatever.

[Leo656]

My point is/was, most people who try on the "jaded cynic" routine do it as a gimmick. They don't even know why they claim to dislike (or even like) something, they just want to be contrary, and they're just as bad as people who Love Everything for no reason, and I have no patience for either. I actually look at things from angles and do my own research into the Whys and Wherefores before I fully commit to liking or disliking something. Not saying I'm the only one, but I am saying, please don't compare me to Hipster Douchebags who don't even know why they have the opinions they claim to have. I Am Not Those People. I am fully aware that they exist, but just because they go around spouting flimsy "Negative Output" of their own because it's hip doesn't invalidate others who have a legitimate gripe or cause for concern or what have you.

And you're not wrong about the other thing; statistically, most movies, TV shows, etc. really shouldn't have been done (although it's easier to see that in hindsight, obviously), or at least the final product wasn't worth the effort. That's true of everything in entertainment, and that's why the stuff that is Great stands out so much from everything else. I mean, a lot of that is a necessary evil - you can't have the Good without the Bad - but in terms of sheer volume, and being purely objective, more films, shows, games, etc. are Average to Poor than they are Good to Excellent. Thus, the fact that something was simply made or produced isn't enough to give it value, it has to earn it by being of quality.

I fully cop to being somewhat cynical, but I also don't feel that there's anything wrong, at all, with saying "It's up to them to impress me." Contrary to that, you seem more like the type who expects to like things, and then does, which I actually think is far more flawed of an approach. But hey, different strokes and all that.

[Gunpowder]

I'm a little worried, to be honest. I thought this series ended spectacularly, and at the right time. The third movie even ended with the same image that began the first movie, so it's clear that a 4th installment wasn't originally planned. I trust them to make it good, but it's risky, because the trilogy has a legacy by now as it is. Usually better to leave those alone, rather than adding on. But hey, it might be the best one yet. I sure hope so. They sure do have high standards set for themselves by now, though...

[Leo656]

I don't honestly think 2 or 3 were planned either, so much as Hoped For, and since both 2 and 3 were really good, I can totally see why people may think they can keep that streak going forever. They can't, though, and that's what troubles me. Three "A" movies in a row. I'm no math wizard, but even I know those are some astronomical odds. And like I said before, if this series turns into another Shrek fiasco, just because the people behind it are careless with it, that's going to be a real shame.

I mean, sure, a "B" movie wouldn't be the end of the world by any means, but what's the upside when you're already pitching a Perfect Game? Eh.

[Gunpowder]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't honestly think 2 or 3 were planned either, so much as Hoped For, and since both 2 and 3 were really good, I can totally see why people may think they can keep that streak going forever. They can't, though, and that's what troubles me. Three "A" movies in a row. I'm no math wizard, but even I know those are some astronomical odds. And like I said before, if this series turns into another Shrek fiasco, just because the people behind it are careless with it, that's going to be a real shame.

I mean, sure, a "B" movie wouldn't be the end of the world by any means, but what's the upside when you're already pitching a Perfect Game? Eh.

Exactly, that's what I'm sayin'. I think that's exactly what's going to happen. God forbid it goes the route of Shrek, though...that series was two great movies and then a total flop (I don't particularly count the 4th one; it seemed more like a spin-off, as it didn't really expand the storyline).

[turtlefanforever]

I hated 3, I'm assuming 4 will suck as well. At least it's not a tv series though. That's how they ruin a lot of these films. Kung fu panda. penguins of Madagascar, Monsters vs Aliens, ect. The only one I remember liking is Back at the Barnyard.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Sumac

More like it was second movie that provided definite conslusion (especially Director's cut) and the third movie set a very big sequel hook.

It tried. I think letting Judgement Day happen was a mistake. It completely changed the dynamic, for the sequel, and closed the loop on the cyclical timeline. Wrote the franchise into a corner.