corkin it - Page 2

*Raven* · 06-05-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ben_wallace3

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Originally Posted by major pain

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Originally Posted by grunger_kittie

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Originally Posted by ben_wallace3

He knew what he was doing. It makes me wonder how long hes been using them. I bet he used steroids too.

Bingo

I side with Ben_Wallace3 here, it's a little to suspicious if you ask me. I bet he's been using them the whole time. As for the steroids, I wouldn't doubt it.

whats wrong with steroids I take them all the time

everything

no that cant be true no no say it aint true NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOO

ok im over it

*cqb101* · 06-05-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by major pain

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Originally Posted by grunger_kittie

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Originally Posted by ben_wallace3

He knew what he was doing. It makes me wonder how long hes been using them. I bet he used steroids too.

Bingo

I side with Ben_Wallace3 here, it's a little to suspicious if you ask me. I bet he's been using them the whole time. As for the steroids, I wouldn't doubt it.

whats wrong with steroids I take them all the time

One thing that's wrong with them is that they shrink your testicles, and everything else down there.

*Mars-Chan* · 06-06-2003, 09:42 AM

EW!!!

~~Leo656~~ · 06-06-2003, 09:52 AM

Personally, I think almost the entire MLB is taking steroids. It's suspicious to me how suddenly almost every player is coming out saying "drug tests are a violation of players' rights" and all that garbage. That right there is, IMO, an admission of guilt. People who had nothing to hide wouldn't be so wary of drug tests. It's no surprise that as soon as people start hitting like millions more home runs per season than ever before, that steroid allegations start, and then once the allegations start, the players refuse to be tested. 2 + 2 and all that jazz.

As for Sosa corking his bat on purpose, I buy it. Sports are all a business now, baseball included, and it seems like now all that matters is how many home runs you hit. Steroids, bat-corking, it's all part of the same package, and that is the undermining of baseball's purity. It's a freaking joke now. All that matters is the bottom line; the actual so-called "competition" inherent in the sport is secondary now. The competition is no longer on the field, it's in the pharmacist' office as players fight to get the most potent enhancers, and in the locker rooms as they come up with the most creative ways to cheat.

Anyone wanna tell me whatever happened to, God, I don't know... training? Athletic competition where the better man/team emerged victorious, and if you lost, you'd try and improve and come back better next time? And people wonder why I dislike sports so much.

*Mr. Snackpants* · 06-06-2003, 10:39 AM

not all athletes are like that, some do work hard to get better.

SlayerX · 06-06-2003, 11:28 AM

I think it's an accident. If he purposely did use a cork bat, why did he just leave the bat pieces where they were when the bat shattered? If he KNEW he was using a corked bat, he would have run up and grabbed the pieces so he didnt get caught. When he saw it shatter, and if he knew he was using a corked bat, why would he just leave the shattered pieces laying there, for the people to pick up and see? It doesn't make sense. I think it was an accident.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-06-2003, 01:31 PM

Maybe he froze, like completely surprised. Like "Oh S***, I'm caught!" kinda thing.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-06-2003, 01:41 PM

No, this was just a mistake. Sosa had about 50 bats to choose from in the dugout, after they found that he used the corked one, they tested every single other one, none of them had it. Although it is natural for humans not to believe in coincidences. Why have a corked bat? Batting practice, it makes sense, you don't want to get worn out before a game. What can a corked bat do and what advantages do you get when playing with one? The bat swings SLIGHTLY faster, the ball goes about 5 feet farther. They even had a special about that on ESPN to proove it. About steroids, why would you think he uses them? Just cause he is strong? And 656, if every baseball player had steroids, then what would be the problem? Everyone would have the same opportunity to use them.

*Mr. Snackpants* · 06-06-2003, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Triceraton

I think it's an accident. If he purposely did use a cork bat, why did he just leave the bat pieces where they were when the bat shattered? If he KNEW he was using a corked bat, he would have run up and grabbed the pieces so he didnt get caught. When he saw it shatter, and if he knew he was using a corked bat, why would he just leave the shattered pieces laying there, for the people to pick up and see? It doesn't make sense. I think it was an accident.

If he raced to go pick up the pieces it would look very suspicious because he hit the ball and hes supposed to be going to 1st base. They would've checked the pieces anyway. It wouldve looked like he was guilty if he ran to get the pieces because then youd know he knew it was corked. He would be better off playing stupid than to try and cover it up, thats whay he would leave them there.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-06-2003, 02:05 PM

Maybe I'm just a cynical bastard, I guess. It still wouldn't surprise me to hear it was on purpose, but I can see how it could have been an accident.

And there are different types of anabolic steroids with different effects and not everyone achieves the results they want, which is why many athletes end up "stacking" multiple different steroids at once. Though it's not an exclusive practice to athletes, at least one of my co-workers is currently taking multiple steroids. It's dangerous, either way.

The fact that steroids exist at all in sports is a problem. What the hell is the point of training yourself to get better and more skilled when someone else can just pop a pill or stick a needle in his ass to make himself stronger and faster? If you aren't willing to do that to keep up, you're lost. Kind of like how back in the WWF in the 1980s, if you didn't do steroids and achieve an impossibly huge physique, you didn't get pushed. That's why guys like Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior were always getting the most attention back then, and smaller guys like Bret Hart didn't get noticed until the early 90s when the steroid trials temporarily forced steroids out of the wrestling business due to bad press and public scrutiny. The difference is that in "real" sports, the athletes take steroids to achieve a superior level of performance in competition, whereas in professional wrestling, which is an exhibition not a competition, the athletes take steroids to get noticed and pushed by the promoters, and thus making more money, and the real competition doesn't take place in the ring but in the political arena of the locker room.

Either way, taking anabolic steroids is a stupid and dangerous practice and performance enhancers should be completely abolished, and any athlete not willing to submit to a random test for performance enhancing drugs should simply not be allowed to participate, period. I'm sure Lyle Alzado would be more than happy to give numerous examples of why steroids should be completely wiped out of sports. Oh, wait.... he's dead.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-06-2003, 04:46 PM

Make no mistake, I agree that steroids are bad. I think they do check athletes in baseball though. On another note, go Yanks!

~~Leo656~~ · 06-06-2003, 04:53 PM

I'd think they test, and they should, definitely, but I've been seeing so many articles and news pieces lately about players protesting drug and steroid tests calling them "a violation of players' rights and privacy", and to me that just sounds bad. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Sad thing is that even if they do test, there are always ways to beat the tests. Some athletes go as far as catheterizing other people's urine into themselves. I just wish steroids could be eliminated from sports but it'll probably never happen.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-06-2003, 05:00 PM

Well, it is impossible to control like thousands of people's habits, they will always find a way like you said. This could be applied to many other things as well...it is like asking all politicians to never lie, it would be nice, but sorry it ain't happenin' in this world.

Pepzi · 06-06-2003, 05:12 PM

i don't truly beleive he did it on purpose.... if he is as much of a true sports star like he has proven i doubt he'd risk it...

~~TheShredder~~ · 06-06-2003, 06:45 PM

Could someone please tell me what the hell a Corked bat is?

SlayerX · 06-06-2003, 08:32 PM

Im guessing, but it is corked inside to make it lighter during practice, so you dont wear yourself out taking practice swings. I think it lets you swing faster, and hit the balls farther than a pure wood (or a metal) bat. I dont really watch baseball or basketball, so i cant really help you on those, but that was my guess. How was my aim?

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-07-2003, 10:35 AM

Yea, that is basically it. A bat in which the wood inside was replaced with cork to make it lighter and easier to swing, and sometimes making the ball travel a few extra feet. I think a bat needs to be 2 pounds as the standard for MLB, so that is why corked bats are illegal to use.

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06-06-2003, 09:42 AM	#23
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06-06-2003, 11:28 AM	#26
SlayerX Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 828	I think it's an accident. If he purposely did use a cork bat, why did he just leave the bat pieces where they were when the bat shattered? If he KNEW he was using a corked bat, he would have run up and grabbed the pieces so he didnt get caught. When he saw it shatter, and if he knew he was using a corked bat, why would he just leave the shattered pieces laying there, for the people to pick up and see? It doesn't make sense. I think it was an accident. __________________ Nexus Media \| AnXProduction \| Games \| DVDs DP Feedback \| eBay feedback \| Room of Doom

06-06-2003, 05:12 PM	#34
Pepzi Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sewer Posts: 420	i don't truly beleive he did it on purpose.... if he is as much of a true sports star like he has proven i doubt he'd risk it... __________________

06-06-2003, 08:32 PM	#36
SlayerX Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 828	Im guessing, but it is corked inside to make it lighter during practice, so you dont wear yourself out taking practice swings. I think it lets you swing faster, and hit the balls farther than a pure wood (or a metal) bat. I dont really watch baseball or basketball, so i cant really help you on those, but that was my guess. How was my aim? __________________ Nexus Media \| AnXProduction \| Games \| DVDs DP Feedback \| eBay feedback \| Room of Doom

06-06-2003, 09:52 AM	#24
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Personally, I think almost the entire MLB is taking steroids. It's suspicious to me how suddenly almost every player is coming out saying "drug tests are a violation of players' rights" and all that garbage. That right there is, IMO, an admission of guilt. People who had nothing to hide wouldn't be so wary of drug tests. It's no surprise that as soon as people start hitting like millions more home runs per season than ever before, that steroid allegations start, and then once the allegations start, the players refuse to be tested. 2 + 2 and all that jazz. As for Sosa corking his bat on purpose, I buy it. Sports are all a business now, baseball included, and it seems like now all that matters is how many home runs you hit. Steroids, bat-corking, it's all part of the same package, and that is the undermining of baseball's purity. It's a freaking joke now. All that matters is the bottom line; the actual so-called "competition" inherent in the sport is secondary now. The competition is no longer on the field, it's in the pharmacist' office as players fight to get the most potent enhancers, and in the locker rooms as they come up with the most creative ways to cheat. Anyone wanna tell me whatever happened to, God, I don't know... training? Athletic competition where the better man/team emerged victorious, and if you lost, you'd try and improve and come back better next time? And people wonder why I dislike sports so much.

06-06-2003, 10:39 AM	#25
Mr. Snackpants Keep cool my babies! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mount Pleasant Posts: 2,239	not all athletes are like that, some do work hard to get better.

06-06-2003, 01:31 PM	#27
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Maybe he froze, like completely surprised. Like "Oh S***, I'm caught!" kinda thing.

06-06-2003, 01:41 PM	#28
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	No, this was just a mistake. Sosa had about 50 bats to choose from in the dugout, after they found that he used the corked one, they tested every single other one, none of them had it. Although it is natural for humans not to believe in coincidences. Why have a corked bat? Batting practice, it makes sense, you don't want to get worn out before a game. What can a corked bat do and what advantages do you get when playing with one? The bat swings SLIGHTLY faster, the ball goes about 5 feet farther. They even had a special about that on ESPN to proove it. About steroids, why would you think he uses them? Just cause he is strong? And 656, if every baseball player had steroids, then what would be the problem? Everyone would have the same opportunity to use them.

06-06-2003, 02:05 PM	#30
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Maybe I'm just a cynical bastard, I guess. It still wouldn't surprise me to hear it was on purpose, but I can see how it could have been an accident. And there are different types of anabolic steroids with different effects and not everyone achieves the results they want, which is why many athletes end up "stacking" multiple different steroids at once. Though it's not an exclusive practice to athletes, at least one of my co-workers is currently taking multiple steroids. It's dangerous, either way. The fact that steroids exist at all in sports is a problem. What the hell is the point of training yourself to get better and more skilled when someone else can just pop a pill or stick a needle in his ass to make himself stronger and faster? If you aren't willing to do that to keep up, you're lost. Kind of like how back in the WWF in the 1980s, if you didn't do steroids and achieve an impossibly huge physique, you didn't get pushed. That's why guys like Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior were always getting the most attention back then, and smaller guys like Bret Hart didn't get noticed until the early 90s when the steroid trials temporarily forced steroids out of the wrestling business due to bad press and public scrutiny. The difference is that in "real" sports, the athletes take steroids to achieve a superior level of performance in competition, whereas in professional wrestling, which is an exhibition not a competition, the athletes take steroids to get noticed and pushed by the promoters, and thus making more money, and the real competition doesn't take place in the ring but in the political arena of the locker room. Either way, taking anabolic steroids is a stupid and dangerous practice and performance enhancers should be completely abolished, and any athlete not willing to submit to a random test for performance enhancing drugs should simply not be allowed to participate, period. I'm sure Lyle Alzado would be more than happy to give numerous examples of why steroids should be completely wiped out of sports. Oh, wait.... he's dead.

06-06-2003, 04:46 PM	#31
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Make no mistake, I agree that steroids are bad. I think they do check athletes in baseball though. On another note, go Yanks!

06-06-2003, 04:53 PM	#32
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'd think they test, and they should, definitely, but I've been seeing so many articles and news pieces lately about players protesting drug and steroid tests calling them "a violation of players' rights and privacy", and to me that just sounds bad. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Sad thing is that even if they do test, there are always ways to beat the tests. Some athletes go as far as catheterizing other people's urine into themselves. I just wish steroids could be eliminated from sports but it'll probably never happen.

06-06-2003, 05:00 PM	#33
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Well, it is impossible to control like thousands of people's habits, they will always find a way like you said. This could be applied to many other things as well...it is like asking all politicians to never lie, it would be nice, but sorry it ain't happenin' in this world.

06-06-2003, 06:45 PM	#35
~~TheShredder~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Throne Room Posts: 442	Could someone please tell me what the hell a Corked bat is?

06-07-2003, 10:35 AM	#37
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Yea, that is basically it. A bat in which the wood inside was replaced with cork to make it lighter and easier to swing, and sometimes making the ball travel a few extra feet. I think a bat needs to be 2 pounds as the standard for MLB, so that is why corked bats are illegal to use.