Marvel/Sony in negotiations over Spider-Man Rights

[Candy Kappa]

Angel and Beak dealing with life as young mutant parents, would make a cute short movie.

[TurtleTitan97]

Captain America: Civil War will be moving on without Spidey: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=112513

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Captain America: Civil War will be moving on without Spidey: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=112513

Damn that sucks. I wonder if they would have reached a deal if Sony had not got hacked

[oldmanwinters]

I never thought I'd see the day when the Marvel Universe doesn't need Spider-man or the X-Men. But that's a truth almost universally acknowledged these days.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Well, I think it would have been better for Marvel to introduce Spider-Man through his own reboot movie. Why do you guys think TASM 2 failed at box office? What were the reasons?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

. Why do you guys think TASM 2 failed at box office? What were the reasons?

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'd imagine it's because it introduced too many villains that was rather lackluster with screen time and didn't have a proper reason to be in the movie. And Electro's reasons to be a villain is completely asinine. The relationship between Peter and Harry was apparently terribly handled and did not properly potray the as the best friends they where supposed to be.

[Redeemer]

I still don't understand all the hate with the AMS movie series. I prefer this new series more than the Sam Rami series. I thought Green Goblin was the Green Ranger, I kept waiting for him to call upon the dragon zord.

[Leo656]

I haven't seen it yet either, although I really liked the first one. But it really sounds like they crammed a bunch of stuff in because "This Needs To Happen" to set up all the other movies they were planning to do, like Sinister Six, because "More Characters = More $$$" is the lesson Sony and other studios have taken from the MCU (Note: Studios always take the WRONG message away from anything that is successful, fully 100% of the time).

Now, it sounds like 99% of those plans are scrapped or placed WAY on the back-burner anyway, all because they counted their chickens before they hatched. Less than six months ago, everyone was bemoaning how sad it was that Marvel would likely never get the film rights to their own biggest character because Sony would never let it slip away; now, they've bungled things so badly that it looks like some kind of Sony/Marvel partnership is only a matter of When, not If. Something I read today all but confirms that Garfield has been scrapped from the role for quite a while regardless of future plans (Sony more or less decided months ago when he was blaming the studio for the movie's poor reception that they weren't bringing him back anyway).

Basically, other than Making Money Like Those Other Guys, I just think Sony has no direction on how to do Spider-Man. The first Raimi one was a surprise hit, and they immediately decided that super-heroes were "hot" and as long as there was lots of action and stuff blew up, fans would slurp it down even if the surrounding movie was disappointing. And they were right for a while, but now people have seen so much of the excess that they're coming down from the high and demanding more substance out of their super-hero movies again. Amazing 2 just from descriptions of it reeks of excess on every level and it's no shock it "failed". They just don't know what to do, so they tried to hedge their bets by doing Everything, and it was all too much.

I'm still gonna get it and watch it, but just I'm a huge fan of super-hero movies in general. But I've read a lot about it and it sounds dreadful, so while I thought the first ASM was better than most of the Raimi movies in a lot of ways, it sounds like they wasted no time at all squandering all the goodwill and potential they had from the first one. Shame.

I admit, I was kind of excited about a "Spider-Man Film Universe" for five minutes, but since they're really just throwing sh*t at the wall I say they're gonna let Marvel take over within the next two years (I play conservative).

[Candy Kappa]

I really liked Amazing Spider-Man, the costume grew on me quickly. I love the chemistry between Garfield and Stone, and I really enjoyed Garfield as Spidey. I thought the Oizard was pretty well made and the Stan Lee cameo was... Amazing. And I definetively prefer ASM over the Raimi movies.

But ASM2 generally sounds a bit iffy, despite Garfield and Stone are incredible together.

[Leo656]

Going purely from what I've read - which is a lot - it sounds like a case of "Everything they did Right with the first movie, they did Wrong with the second movie."

See also: "Formers, Trans" and "The Caribbean, Pirates of"

[DarkFell]

I like the Rami movies. I even liked the first ASM movie. I haven't seen the second one yet. Heard they went a bit overboard on the baddies on terms of strength and powers.

[NinjaPug]

Spidey's costume was awesome in ASM2. Everything else sucked.

[sdp]

At this point in time I actually think fanboys are more invested in Marvel getting Spider-Man than Disney themselves.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And you might be right. That goes double for us fan-GIRLS. Mostly because I'd trust them with their OWN characters before I'd trust anyone ELSE with them. I'd really like to see them get X-Men back, too, if only to nix the ret-con on Wanda and Pietro that Marvel has been talking about. If they took over the X-films, they wouldn't NEED a ret-con. And as a long-time comic reader and (ahem) writer, I HATE ret-cons as a matter of course. They generally CAUSE more problems than they ever SOLVE.

[sdp]

See, I try to like Marvel but the mentality of Marvel fans makes me dislike the company so much. Fans act like Marvel can do no wrong, but all their movies follow the same cookie cutter formula that worked with Iron Man which is still my favorite Marvel movie to date. The other movies aren't necessarily bad but they follow the same formula and its getting tiring. Marvel has done plenty of terrible decisions in animation/comics/etc so yeah you can't blindly trust the company not to mention they're owned by Disney who has a say on many things now, this isn't even the same Marvel from 5 years ago. That's without even mentioning all the spyreports and leaks that you hear about the mess that politics and shadyness behind the scenes at Marvel.

Marvel doesn't need Spider-Man nor the X-Men they have literally hundreds of heroes to work with and the reason we got the amazing Iron Man movie is because they didn't have their rights to their AAA characters so they decided to use a C-list superhero and show the mainstream how cool the character really is since only comic book nerds knew. When/if they get the other franchises back all the other c-list heroes instead of getting their time to shine will just be put on the backburner. They seem to be doing alright now handling c-list heroes like Guardians of the Galaxy and the upcoming films but they can't release more superhero movies in their already tight schedule without them cannibalizing each other, you can bet that X-Men/Spider-man would not have been two more movies of "Phase III" but instead replaced the Dr. Strange and Black Panther movies. Hell, Spider-Man didn't even join the Avengers until the 2000's, he doesn't belong in that movie. Fanboys were begging for Punisher/Ghostrider to go back to Marvel and they were happy when it finally happened and what did they get? No plans for them in the next 5 years. At least the Punisher movies released were pretty decent, who cares if they weren't part of the convoluted mess that is the MCU. Ghostrider actually had a decent first movie, I would've liked to see what Sony did with another take instead of the character rotting in the Disney vault.

I'm not saying Sony/Fox have been amazing to their franchises, they've had their misses but they've done the heroes justice, hell Marvel would not only be Bankrupt without Sony/Fox but they also started the superhero blockbusters wave that Marvel is currently riding. They literally started what Marvel has improved on, I haven't seen the Amazing Spider-Man movies, but I've heard mixed opinions but it could be salvaged. X-Men movies have been pretty damn good lately. I don't know how the F4 reboot will be but the internet has already doomed it without giving it a chance. Sony/Fox wanting to "build" their own universes a la Marvel is actually great since it'll actually make a more fleshed out Spidey/X-Men world instead of just getting a glimpse of things like we do in all superhero movies today.

I'd really like to see them get X-Men back, too, if only to nix the ret-con on Wanda and Pietro that Marvel has been talking about. If they took over the X-films, they wouldn't NEED a ret-con. And as a long-time comic reader and (ahem) writer, I HATE ret-cons as a matter of course. They generally CAUSE more problems than they ever SOLVE.

So you want them to have X-Men back so they can fix the stupid ass decision they themselves made? That's the company you trust with their characters?

[Sumac]

I would agree that creating their own "universes" would be great thing for Sony and Fox, except their movies are rather mediocre, IMO. X-Men were boring, except for the First Class, which was awesome. Spider-Man movies were romantic trash (it goes for Raime movies, I haven't watched ASMs, yet).

So, would I agree that Marvel should have this characters back? No doubt. Better formulaic, but enjoyable movies, rather than all-around mediocricity.

Originally Posted by sdp

Marvel has done plenty of terrible decisions in animation/comics/etc so yeah you can't blindly trust the company not to mention they're owned by Disney who has a say on many things now, this isn't even the same Marvel from 5 years ago. That's without even mentioning all the spyreports and leaks that you hear about the mess that politics and shadyness behind the scenes at Marvel.

For crying out loud...
Do you really think that Marvel is the only one who is guilty of that?

Any big studio have its fare share of internal shady politics, intrigues and scandals. It's normal. I don't give a rat's ass about this stuff. All I care about - are their movies. And they were pretty good so far. The only movie in MCU, that I didn't found enjoyable was Incredible Hulk. Everything else, was genuinly good or above average, which is a good thing in my book.

Considering what other companies has to offer (borefests, nausating romantic trash, GRIMNOLANREALISTICDARKSHIT) I take Marvel's production over it anyday.
Well, for as long as they deliver good entertaining products.

[Leo656]

I will say this: Marvel's films are pretty paint-by-numbers and formuaic, but they're better than anybody in the game right now at playing to the masses while still keeping (most) die-hards happy. That's a Win any way you slice it. No, you can't please Everyone, but if you're not at least making the attempt, you're Failing. "Let's make it for the die-hards", or, "Let's hook a new audience," or, "Let's try a brand-new take on it," or, "Let's aim it at the kids"... all those are Wrong. You have to TRY to find something that will appeal to everyone, and maybe not thrill them entirely, but *just enough* to keep them coming back.

Marvel's done that time and time again, even if their stuff is all kind of the same. I'll always take a "safe and predictable" movie done reasonably well over a "fresh take" that sh*ts all over itself, like the new Fantastic Four movie looks like it will.

Besides, as critics keep pointing out: How many ways can you even DO a super-hero movie? Really, the only difference is if your tone is going to be comedy, super-serious, or in the middle. Everything else is The Same. It's a cookie-cutter genre, and Marvel Studios mastered it. I give 'em credit. I completely don't care about their books but I generally like their movies. Even the worst of them that I've seen are good enough or at least entertaining enough to pass a couple hours without making you wish you were somewhere else.

I get that people are burned out on the genre a little bit, but... I also think they're expecting too much, kinda. It's super-heroes. People in armor or circus suits punch or shoot lasers at each other, stuff blows up, hero falls in love, post-credits scene sets up the sequel, The End. Marvel is good at it. What more do people want?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Sumac

all-around mediocricity

That sums up most phase II Marvel movies in a nutshell, Winter Soldier excluded.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Spider-Man movies were romantic trash (it goes for Raime movies, I haven't watched ASMs, yet).

The Webb movies are more guilty of that than Raimi's films (and I think Raimi's films have dated horribly), Raimi still had a little something for everyone (and a little too much for everyone by the time the third one hit)

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's super-heroes. People in armor or circus suits punch or shoot lasers at each other, stuff blows up, hero falls in love, post-credits scene sets up the sequel, The End. Marvel is good at it. What more do people want?

Actually engaging and thought-provoking stories. Which the Marvel comics of yesteryear always managed, and which only a few of their movies actually acheive

Incredible Hulk

...This was one of them. This had a tight, nuanced and cerebral performances and storytelling in addition to popcorn value, and yet Edward Norton was driven from the production and became disillusioned with how Marvel perceived the finished product. Marvel took years to have another film like it (Winter Soldier) and by this point, they seemed more ready to tell that kind of story than they were in 2008 when they were trying to find an audience

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

That sums up most phase II Marvel movies in a nutshell, Winter Soldier excluded.

Opinions.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Actually engaging and thought-provoking stories. Which the Marvel comics of yesteryear always managed, and which only a few of their movies actually acheive

I prefer to keep stories about people in tights entertaining.

[TigerClaw]

More info on the Sony/Marvel deal, They want Drew Goddard to direct a Spider-Man solo movie.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=112646