The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio - Page 8

~~Drifty~~ · 12-24-2014, 05:32 AM

Quote:

I am not an "American" history major. I studied world history.

The point is that you seem to have studied world history in America. What we read and are taught in the US may be quite different from what's happening behind the scenes. If you study history in the US, you study propaganda. You have to be sure that what you're studying reflects reality. Check out Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.

http://libcom.org/history/articles/c...?quicktabs_1=0
(excerpt)
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On the Soviet side, the events of the Cold War were repeated interventions in Eastern Europe: tanks in East Berlin (1953) and Budapest (1956) and Prague (196

. These interventions took place along the route that was used to attack and virtually destroy Russia three times in this century alone. The invasion of Afghanistan is the one example of an intervention outside that route, though also on the Soviet border.

On the US side, intervention was worldwide, reflecting the status attained by the US as the first truly global power in history.

On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.

The Cold War provided that too. No matter how outlandish the idea that the Soviet Union and its tentacles were strangling the West, the "Evil Empire" was in fact evil, was an empire and was brutal. Each superpower controlled its primary enemy - its own population - by terrifying it with the (quite real) crimes of the other.

In crucial respects, then, the Cold War was a kind of tacit arrangement between the Soviet Union and the United States under which the US conducted its wars against the Third World and controlled its allies in Europe, while the Soviet rulers kept an iron grip on their own internal empire and their satellites in Eastern Europe - each side using the other to justify repression and violence in its own domains. The Cold War even had a cultural component, with rival interventions in the art world.
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Don't take anything that's mainstream seriously. Read revisionist history and the essays of anti-establishment pundits.
http://www.chomsky.info/
http://petras.lahaine.org/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pa...l_Parenti.html
http://well-temperedforum.groupee.ne...1101037356/p/1

Here's a good book.
http://www.amazon.es/Lies-My-Teacher.../dp/0743296281

It's on-line. Copy and paste this link. I don't know why it didn't come out a hotlink.
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HOLA/Mis%20documentos/Downloads/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me.pdf

edit next day
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Ralph Nader is an important anti-establishment pundit.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry=ralph+nader

The TV channels refuse to sell him air time because they don't want the people to hear his words.

*Katie* · 12-24-2014, 06:09 AM

Merry Christmas and may all the tinfoil Santa Hats fit y'all well.

Few thoughts: You Tube and conspiracy theory sites are not good references nor do they help you present a credible argument.

Linking Jarrah's videos instantly make you lose credibility with most here.

50 years later there is no reason for anyone to continue a cover up. We know a lot of the behind the scenes stuff from that time period and the Cold War and space race in general. If the moon landing was fake, if would be mainstream knowledge by now, not just fringe theory.

Try looking for an observatory with time on the LRO. See it with your own eyes.

Occam's Razor.

*Mayhem* · 12-24-2014, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifty

The point is that you seem to have studied world history in America. What we read and are taught in the US may be quite different from what's happening behind the scenes. If you study history in the US, you study propaganda.

Yes, because studying history in any other country is not also subject to propaganda or bias whatsoever

(you only have to see what is taught in Japan about WW2 for example)

slashpieturtlemix · 12-24-2014, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifty

The point is that you seem to have studied world history in America. What we read and are taught in the US may be quite different from what's happening behind the scenes. If you study history in the US, you study propaganda. You have to be sure that what you're studying reflects reality. Check out Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.

http://libcom.org/history/articles/c...?quicktabs_1=0
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------
On the Soviet side, the events of the Cold War were repeated interventions in Eastern Europe: tanks in East Berlin (1953) and Budapest (1956) and Prague (196

. These interventions took place along the route that was used to attack and virtually destroy Russia three times in this century alone. The invasion of Afghanistan is the one example of an intervention outside that route, though also on the Soviet border.

On the US side, intervention was worldwide, reflecting the status attained by the US as the first truly global power in history.

On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.

The Cold War provided that too. No matter how outlandish the idea that the Soviet Union and its tentacles were strangling the West, the "Evil Empire" was in fact evil, was an empire and was brutal. Each superpower controlled its primary enemy - its own population - by terrifying it with the (quite real) crimes of the other.

In crucial respects, then, the Cold War was a kind of tacit arrangement between the Soviet Union and the United States under which the US conducted its wars against the Third World and controlled its allies in Europe, while the Soviet rulers kept an iron grip on their own internal empire and their satellites in Eastern Europe - each side using the other to justify repression and violence in its own domains. The Cold War even had a cultural component, with rival interventions in the art world.
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Don't take anything that's mainstream seriously. Read revisionist history and the essays of anti-establishment pundits.
http://www.chomsky.info/
http://petras.lahaine.org/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pa...l_Parenti.html
http://well-temperedforum.groupee.ne...1101037356/p/1

Here's a good book.
http://www.amazon.es/Lies-My-Teacher.../dp/0743296281

It's on-line. Copy and paste this link. I don't know why it didn't come out a hotlink.
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HOLA/Mis%20documentos/Downloads/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me.pdf

For someone who is claiming that American history is biased and full of propaganda, you are doing the exact same thing for your cult version of history. You are letting this illuminati ideology cloud your mind to basic historical facts. When you can provide some actual proof of these events instead of cryptic videos and links to web sites made by college students, then I will take you serious. We all know that history can be biased based off of each country but common sense would tell you that there is history that the world agrees upon. We all agree that the Egyptians built the pyramids, the Chinese built the great wall, that America went through a revolution in the 1770s and that WW2 decimated Europe. The historical community also agrees that the United States landed on the moon. If you can give some actual proof, then please submit it to Wikipedia so that the world can know this magical truth. And don't claim that Wikipedia is a faked website. We can only handle so much stupidity in one day.

~~Drifty~~ · 12-24-2014, 09:03 AM

This calls for an objectivity test.

The Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked. The official NASA position is that it was real.

Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Tell us whether you agree with the NASA position that it was real, or think it was faked. This is for all of you pro-Apollo posters.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

Watch it at these time marks.
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.

At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water.

The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
(1:55 time mark)

slashpieturtlemix · 12-24-2014, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifty

This calls for an objectivity test.

The Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked. The official NASA position is that it was real.

Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Tell us whether you agree with the NASA position that it was real, or think it was faked. This is for all of you pro-Apollo posters.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

Watch it at these time marks.
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.

At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water.

The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
(1:55 time mark)

Now I am looking at these videos of the faking and I want to see the actual video. I don't want to see some magical video explaining to me what is faked.

The smart thing would be to get someone who is trained in physics and who is trained to study space and its effects on objects. Want to know why? Because they would be able to give an opinion that would not be considered biased or idiotic. I am not trained in such matters so I can care less. Now I am trained in history so we can go all day with your radical opinions if you want.

slashpieturtlemix · 12-24-2014, 09:34 AM

O.k. let's go about this like this. You are posting conspiracy theories and youtube videos to prove something was faked. I will post some references too. Here is a list of references from Wikipedia proving it was real. Bear in mind that there is a ton of these websites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing
http://www.spaceline.org/flightchron/apollo11.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...onlanding.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1959-014A
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ap...lo11_40th.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-012A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1959-014A
http://www.aai.ee/~vladislav/program_yft0060.html
https://archive.org/stream/galaxymag...e/n61/mode/2up
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...9780007206.pdf
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-012A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1964-007A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-055A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1964-041A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1965-010A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1965-023A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1961-021A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1961-032A
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lunae6.htm
http://science.nationalgeographic.co...n-article.html

These sites are only half of Wikipedia's list of references. Now notice that it doesn't seem to be cult sites. We got sites from the white house, nasa, national geographic, archiving websites, science websites, etc. I posted the rest of the references below.

Now some of them seem odd but you could always just Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing .

There seems to be tons of things made up on here from what you are saying. I see made up science, made up landing sites, made up space ships, made up interviews, etc. It is so made up that my intelligence is going to explode! This faking is so well documented that we should get the international community to honor this deed with a world wonders claim. This faking is obviously more creative than the gardens of Babylon, colossus of Rhodes, or the mausoleum of Halicarnassus could ever be.

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~~Drifty~~ · 12-24-2014, 10:53 AM

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Now I am looking at these videos of the faking and I want to see the actual video. I don't want to see some magical video explaining to me what is faked.

This is the typical reaction of the government-employed disinfo agent.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/0...mation-poster/
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/arti...five_ways.html

You can't say it was faked because you can't go against the official US government version of things. You can't say it was real because you'll lose all of your credibility because a twelve-year-old could see it was faked.

Quote:

O.k. let's go about this like this. You are posting conspiracy theories and youtube videos to prove something was faked. I will post some references too. Here is a list of references from Wikipedia proving it was real. Bear in mind that there is a ton of these websites.

Choose the link that goes to what you think is the clearest proof that the moon missions were real and we can talk about whether it is really proof.

I present the flag movement as proof that the missions were faked.
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At the 2:36 time mark of this video...

"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

Apollo 15 flag waving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

(two links to the same video in case one goes off-line)

...the flag starts to move when the astronaut trots by it.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

Air made it move. They were in a studio.

This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

So does this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)

Here's some other stuff about the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYLRglPxYo
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...lags+Are+Alive
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...he+Dead+Horses

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You pro-Apollo posters still haven't shown this to be wrong.

More info here.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

*Katie* · 12-24-2014, 11:14 AM

Kinetic energy....physics......find me a really real physicist who will back you up.

That flag was touched and jumbled around and displays waning kinetic energy as can be expected. Each time someone jostles it, it will move, and move longer than you expect because their is no atmospheric friction to slow its movement.

Those suits are massive and bulky. Just cause you think they are too far away from it to have jostled it doesn't make it true.

There is no reason to believe any of this hoax malarkey.

slashpieturtlemix · 12-24-2014, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifty

This is the typical reaction of the government-employed disinfo agent.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/0...mation-poster/
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/arti...five_ways.html

You can't say it was faked because you can't go against the official US government version of things. You can't say it was real because you'll lose all of your credibility because a twelve-year-old could see it was faked.

Choose the link that goes to what you think is the clearest proof that the moon missions were real and we can talk about whether it is really proof.

I present the flag movement as proof that the missions were faked.
----------------------------------------------------------------

At the 2:36 time mark of this video...

"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

Apollo 15 flag waving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

(two links to the same video in case one goes off-line)

...the flag starts to move when the astronaut trots by it.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

Air made it move. They were in a studio.

This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

So does this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)

Here's some other stuff about the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYLRglPxYo
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...lags+Are+Alive
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...he+Dead+Horses

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You pro-Apollo posters still haven't shown this to be wrong.

More info here.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

I really really really want to know where you went for your history lessons. Do you have a degree in this topic? I am claiming it is not fake because you are not providing enough information to convince me that it is not true. Your conspiracy theory ideology is not enough to convince people who are smarter than your average 12 year old. I agree with Katie completely. She understands basic science. You seem to have a misunderstanding of it.

Incase you seem to be confused on this concept, here is a Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

Here is another link in case you do not understand the law of action and reaction: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/clas...ion-(Revisited)

~~Drifty~~ · 12-24-2014, 11:34 AM

Quote:

That flag was touched and jumbled around and displays waning kinetic energy as can be expected. Each time someone jostles it, it will move, and move longer than you expect because their is no atmospheric friction to slow its movement.

Those suits are massive and bulky. Just cause you think they are too far away from it to have jostled it doesn't make it true.

This video shows that it started moving before the astronaut got close enough to touch it.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

So does this one.

The flag that moved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

*Powder* · 12-24-2014, 11:38 AM

Surely there's medication for your kind in Madrid, no?

~~Drifty~~ · 12-24-2014, 11:39 AM

Here's another anomaly I'd like to see you people address.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

That ain't micro-gravity that they would encounter halfway to the moon. One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.

slashpieturtlemix · 12-24-2014, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifty

Here's another anomaly I'd like to see you people address.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

That ain't micro-gravity that they would encounter halfway to the moon. One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.

O.k. well before I even open the videos I need to clarify something. Where do you get your understanding of space? Have you personally experienced space to the point that you can actually disprove a video? I bring this up because you are arguing like you have been to space and you can claim beyond all doubt that all of these videos are faked.

slashpieturtlemix · 12-24-2014, 11:54 AM

Now here is a video of someone that is actually in space. As you can see, it can't be disproven with this common water theory because he uses water in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z2KNDGNnlc

Can you disprove the recent videos too?

~~Drifty~~ · 12-24-2014, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Where do you get your understanding of space?

All you have to do is compare the movements.

These two movements are the same so they are obviously both in strong gravity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

That same gravitational force is obviously not working on the straps in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

...or the jacket corners in this video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

Any child can see this. The Apollo astronauts were not in space when that footage was taken.

*BubblyShell22* · 12-24-2014, 04:43 PM

Why the hell are we even humoring this guy? He's obviously delusional enough to believe this sh*t and nothing any of us say is going to convince him otherwise.

*pennydreadful* · 12-25-2014, 01:17 AM

I really don't understand the point of coming to a Ninja Turtles forum and posting only on this subject and nothing else, unless you're just trying to take the piss. Go to the forums at abovetopsecret.com, lunaticoutpost.com, godlikeproductions.com - there are dozens of messageboards dedicated to discussion of this subject.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-25-2014, 02:23 AM

Everyone bow your heads...and pretend to be serious

~~BuzzHeavy~~ · 12-25-2014, 08:12 AM

So anyway, this guy spams forum after forum with the same crap and ignores where he gets his butt handed to him.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

Collins Jacket, Apollo flag, Chinese Spacewalk. Rinse and repeat. He actually keeps a record of his stupid exploits on a forum where everybody basically ignores or insults him -

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post7729552

Got to laugh at this guy - he has to be a bit mad.

12-24-2014, 06:09 AM	#142
Katie Just...way too serious. Join Date: May 2005 Location: purgatory Posts: 3,519	Merry Christmas and may all the tinfoil Santa Hats fit y'all well. Few thoughts: You Tube and conspiracy theory sites are not good references nor do they help you present a credible argument. Linking Jarrah's videos instantly make you lose credibility with most here. 50 years later there is no reason for anyone to continue a cover up. We know a lot of the behind the scenes stuff from that time period and the Cold War and space race in general. If the moon landing was fake, if would be mainstream knowledge by now, not just fringe theory. Try looking for an observatory with time on the LRO. See it with your own eyes. Occam's Razor. __________________ THE WORLD IS JUST AWESOME

12-24-2014, 09:34 AM	#147
slashpieturtlemix Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 1,259	O.k. let's go about this like this. You are posting conspiracy theories and youtube videos to prove something was faked. I will post some references too. Here is a list of references from Wikipedia proving it was real. Bear in mind that there is a ton of these websites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing http://www.spaceline.org/flightchron/apollo11.html http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...onlanding.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1959-014A http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ap...lo11_40th.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-012A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1959-014A http://www.aai.ee/~vladislav/program_yft0060.html https://archive.org/stream/galaxymag...e/n61/mode/2up http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...9780007206.pdf http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-012A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1964-007A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-055A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1964-041A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1965-010A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1965-023A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1961-021A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1961-032A http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lunae6.htm http://science.nationalgeographic.co...n-article.html These sites are only half of Wikipedia's list of references. Now notice that it doesn't seem to be cult sites. We got sites from the white house, nasa, national geographic, archiving websites, science websites, etc. I posted the rest of the references below. Now some of them seem odd but you could always just Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing . There seems to be tons of things made up on here from what you are saying. I see made up science, made up landing sites, made up space ships, made up interviews, etc. It is so made up that my intelligence is going to explode! This faking is so well documented that we should get the international community to honor this deed with a world wonders claim. This faking is obviously more creative than the gardens of Babylon, colossus of Rhodes, or the mausoleum of Halicarnassus could ever be. References and notes[edit] 1.Jump up ^ "Manned Space Chronology: Apollo_11". spaceline.org. Retrieved 6 February 2008. 2.Jump up ^ "Apollo Anniversary: Moon Landing "Inspired World"". National Geographic. Retrieved 6 February 2008. 3.Jump up ^ "Luna 2". NASA–NSSDC. 4.Jump up ^ NASA Apollo 11 40th anniversary. 5.^ Jump up to: a b c "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 3 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 6.Jump up ^ "Escape from the Moon!". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 7.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Lun 2 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 8.Jump up ^ "Homepage of V.V Pustynski for students of YFT0060". Estonia: Tartu Observatory. Retrieved 17 February 2011. 9.Jump up ^ Ley, Willy (July 1957). "For Your Information". Galaxy Science Fiction (61–71). p. 69. Retrieved 11 June 2014. 10.Jump up ^ JPL Pioneer Mission. 11.Jump up ^ Lunar Impact"Lunar Missions 1958 through 1965" (PDF). Nasa History Series. Retrieved 9 September 2009. 12.^ Jump up to: a b c d e "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 4 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 13.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 6 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 14.^ Jump up to: a b "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 5 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 15.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 7 Details". 16.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 8 Details". 17.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 9 Details". 18.^ Jump up to: a b "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 1 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 19.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 2 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 20.Jump up ^ "Astronautix Luna E-6". Retrieved February 2011. 21.Jump up ^ "Moon Exploration". National Geographic. Retrieved 17 September 2009. 22.Jump up ^ Burrows, William E. (1999). This New Ocean: The Story of the First Space Age. Modern Library. p. 432. ISBN 0-375-75485-7. 23.Jump up ^ "In the Shadow of the Moon". comingsoon.net. Retrieved 7 February 2008. 24.Jump up ^ "White House 'Lost In Space' Scenarios". thesmokinggun.com. Retrieved 7 February 2008. 25.Jump up ^ Arthur C. Clarke predictions 26.Jump up ^ "Apollo TV Tapes: The Search Continues". space.com. Retrieved 8 February 2008. 27.Jump up ^ "The American Flags On The Moon Have All Turned White - Business Insider". businessinsider.com. Retrieved 28 July 2014. 28.^ Jump up to: a b "Apollo Moon Landing Flags Still Standing, Photos Reveal". Space.com. Retrieved 10 October 2014 29.Jump up ^ Hiten, NSSDC, NASA. Accessed on line 18 October 2010. 30.Jump up ^ SMART 1, NSSDC, NASA. Accessed on line 18 October 2010. 31.Jump up ^ "Chinese probe crashes into moon", BBC News, 1 March 2009. Retrieved 18 October 2010. 32.Jump up ^ "Chandrayaan-I Impact Probe lands on the Moon". The Times of India. 15 November 2008. Retrieved 14 November 2008. 33.Jump up ^ "China lands Jade Rabbit robot rover on Moon". BBC. 14 December 2013. 34.Jump up ^ Simon Denyer (14 December 2013). "China carries out first soft landing on moon in 37 years". Washington Post. 35.Jump up ^ "China to Launch Lunar Probe Chang'e-2 before 2011". english.cas.ac.cn. Retrieved 29 September 2009.[dead link] 36.Jump up ^ Johnson (31 August 2010). "Three new Indian payloads for Chandrayaan 2, decides ISRO". The Indian Express. Retrieved 31 August 2010. 37.Jump up ^ "Payloads for Chandrayaan-2 Mission Finalised". Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) (ISRO). 30 August 2010. Retrieved 2 September 2010. 38.Jump up ^ "Lavochkin begins phase B work for Luna-Glob 1 orbiter". http://www.flightglobal.com. Retrieved 29 September 2009. 39.Jump up ^ "Lunar Precursor Robotic Program". NASA. Retrieved 26 February 2008. 40.Jump up ^ "About Google Lunar X prize". Retrieved 10 September 2009. 41.Jump up ^ "Our Mission". Puli Space Technologies. 4 September 2010. Retrieved 29 January 2012. 42.Jump up ^ Loren Grush (27 October 2011). "Race to Mine the Moon Heats Up". Fox News Channel. Retrieved 29 January 2012. 43.Jump up ^ "Photos: 8 Moon-Landing Hoax Myths--Busted". National Geographic. 16 July 2009. Retrieved 17 July 2014. 44.Jump up ^ "Apollo 11 Experiment Still Going Strong after 35 Years", JPL 20 July 2004. 45.Jump up ^ "LRO Sees Apollo Landing Sites". NASA. 17 July 2009. Retrieved 2 July 2011. __________________ Owner of Hkohles1gaming, kohlesgoods, and hkohles1. https://www.youtube.com/user/hkohles1 https://www.ebay.com/usr/kohlesgoods https://www.facebook.com/hkohles1gaming

12-24-2014, 11:14 AM	#149
Katie Just...way too serious. Join Date: May 2005 Location: purgatory Posts: 3,519	Kinetic energy....physics......find me a really real physicist who will back you up. That flag was touched and jumbled around and displays waning kinetic energy as can be expected. Each time someone jostles it, it will move, and move longer than you expect because their is no atmospheric friction to slow its movement. Those suits are massive and bulky. Just cause you think they are too far away from it to have jostled it doesn't make it true. There is no reason to believe any of this hoax malarkey. __________________ THE WORLD IS JUST AWESOME

12-24-2014, 11:54 AM	#155
slashpieturtlemix Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 1,259	Now here is a video of someone that is actually in space. As you can see, it can't be disproven with this common water theory because he uses water in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z2KNDGNnlc Can you disprove the recent videos too? __________________ Owner of Hkohles1gaming, kohlesgoods, and hkohles1. https://www.youtube.com/user/hkohles1 https://www.ebay.com/usr/kohlesgoods https://www.facebook.com/hkohles1gaming

12-24-2014, 04:43 PM	#157
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Why the hell are we even humoring this guy? He's obviously delusional enough to believe this sht and nothing any of us say is going to convince him otherwise. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a*holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

12-24-2014, 09:03 AM	#145
~~Drifty~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: madrid Posts: 23	This calls for an objectivity test. The Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked. The official NASA position is that it was real. Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Tell us whether you agree with the NASA position that it was real, or think it was faked. This is for all of you pro-Apollo posters. http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/ In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward. http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM Watch it at these time marks. 0:50 2:10 3:00 3:10 6:08 6:44 6:53 It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water. Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious. At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water. The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g (1:55 time mark)

12-24-2014, 11:38 AM	#152
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	Surely there's medication for your kind in Madrid, no?

12-24-2014, 11:39 AM	#153
~~Drifty~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: madrid Posts: 23	Here's another anomaly I'd like to see you people address. ------------------------------------------------------ Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc (00:52 time mark) The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity. Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4 That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently. The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o (3:17 time mark) It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4 That ain't micro-gravity that they would encounter halfway to the moon. One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.

12-25-2014, 01:17 AM	#158
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	I really don't understand the point of coming to a Ninja Turtles forum and posting only on this subject and nothing else, unless you're just trying to take the piss. Go to the forums at abovetopsecret.com, lunaticoutpost.com, godlikeproductions.com - there are dozens of messageboards dedicated to discussion of this subject. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

12-25-2014, 02:23 AM	#159
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,491	Everyone bow your heads...and pretend to be serious __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-25-2014, 08:12 AM	#160
~~BuzzHeavy~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Café Comercial Posts: 5	Mad spammers on the net, la di dah de dah! So anyway, this guy spams forum after forum with the same crap and ignores where he gets his butt handed to him. http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/ Collins Jacket, Apollo flag, Chinese Spacewalk. Rinse and repeat. He actually keeps a record of his stupid exploits on a forum where everybody basically ignores or insults him - http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post7729552 Got to laugh at this guy - he has to be a bit mad.