Be Cool Scooby Doo - Page 2

*sdp* · 01-17-2015, 02:40 PM

Plenty of Scooby-Doo hate in here. How is SD not relevant? I grew up in the 90s and he was definitely relevant in fact this is one classic character that has been able to remain relevant which is something even Bugs Bunny and Mickey mouse have failed to achieve. The constant revivals renew the format for new generations and it has worked, sure not all of them have been hits but its worked well enough. Counting that the general consensus is that the best Scooby-Doo show is also the latest SD series goes to show just how important he is.

As far as the new show, most people had already said it was crap when they only showed Scooby in the new art style. The show isn't aimed at them though but new fans just how Scooby has been getting new fans since he was first created. Now the new show definitely looks Family Guy-lite, and I'm not a huge fan of FG, it makes me giggle from time to time but generally I feel they're just cheap laughs and I don't watch it. So I guess this show will get me a few giggles as well, even that pilot made me laugh a few times. It's not the direction I'd want but its decent enough and It'll be fun I'm sure. Worst case sceneario this show will end in 3 years and we'll get a new Scooby show in likely 5 years with a new take on the character and if you can't wait that long every year there is a DTV with the classic formula with some being rather bland and others being some of the best Scooby so there you go.

I just hate when people grow up and they forget things are for kids and say any new version sucks because its not their version that they know and love, jeeze most of the internet are becoming exactly like those adults who said that new "rock music" was bad and whatnot and yet they don't realize it.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-17-2015, 02:53 PM

I just think Scooby-Doo from the start was a one-note joke that didn't exactly warrant any revivals or reinventions, period. Every episode was the same. Like, exactly the same. Good on the fact that other versions "expanded" on that. They still didn't have to. The world would have kept on spinning Just Fine if there had only been one Scooby-Doo series, one Flintstones series, etc.

I entirely don't understand the constant need to revive and reinvent things, just because someone grew up watching something and now they're a grown-up with a pen and no original ideas of their own. And it's completely overdone nowadays. And like I said, a lot of these things weren't spectacular the first time, so whether or not a new version is better or not isn't the point, it's "Who Actually Cares Anymore?"

I mean, people accept it and they "buy into" it because they're told to, but if you or anyone says, "I've always really hoped and dreamed that they'd revive a cartoon series from almost 50 years ago," you're lying. Literally nobody sits around thinking that. They give it to you, so you say "Thanks", but it's not like anyone seriously asked for it.

It's less about whether or not Scooby-Doo is or was ever any good, and more to do with the "death" of new ideas.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-17-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I just think Scooby-Doo from the start was a one-note joke that didn't exactly warrant any revivals or reinventions, period. Every episode was the same. Like, exactly the same. Good on the fact that other versions "expanded" on that. They still didn't have to. The world would have kept on spinning Just Fine if there had only been one Scooby-Doo series, one Flintstones series, etc.

Thing is, the Flintstones did end up evolving and changing the characters,that's more so than The Simpsons has ever managed, but the fans did'nt like the grown-up years of Pebbles and Bam-Bam, which is just strange to me.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-17-2015, 03:18 PM

I think the idea of "Jailbait Pebbles" was just making people uncomfortable.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-17-2015, 03:21 PM

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I think the idea of "Jailbait Pebbles" was just making people uncomfortable.

Kind of reminds me of all the plebs on FAN saying Mick Foley's daughter looks hot now when most know her as this precious little thing from Beyond The Mat

~~Leo656~~ · 01-17-2015, 03:23 PM

Oh, God, she's gorgeous. I don't care what she used to look like when she was little. RIGHT NOW, I want to skin her like a deer.

...Man, that's probably not healthy, that that's the first place my mind went.

TMNT_Guy · 01-17-2015, 05:33 PM

The only problem I always had with all the future Scooby-Doo installments is that they concentrated on the wrong element of the original series, the comedy instead of the horror element.

The original Scooby-Doo series was really creepy for a children’s series from 1969. Whereas most cartoons at the time were bright and colorful, Scooby-Doo was always set at night and always had that wonderful atmospheric soundtrack. What other cartoon series from 1969 had a character saying “Is that…blood?”.

For the sequels I always wished they would’ve concentrated more on the horror element kind of like Goosebumps or Are you Afraid of the Dark in that their creepy, but still child friendly. If I was in charge of a new Scooby series I’d still have Shaggy and Scooby do their comedy relief roles, eating giant sandwiches and other cartoony antics. I’d have Fred and Velma be the most serious of the group, and maybe have Daphne be the middle of the group by having her still be serious but play up her clumsiness(Danger prone Daphne did it again!) I’d still have the monster, ghost, demon, etc be revealed as fake at the end so kids don’t stay awake at night wondering if the monsters will get them. Kids do like to be a little scared, after all.

The only sequel that really tried to be creepy was Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island and it’s still my favorite Scooby-Doo production. I suppose Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated tried, but all the monsters in that series boiled down to “they run really fast and jump through walls Kool-Aid Man style” so it had more of an action adventure feel instead of a creepy feeling.

The only reason I watch any of the post Scooby-Doo Where Are You? stuff is to listen to all the brilliantly delivered sarcastic lines Casey Kasem as Shaggy does. And to see Don Knotts and Vincent Price, of course.

*TurtleTitan97* · 01-17-2015, 06:17 PM

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I never saw Mystery Inc. but it sounds really cool.
Scooby-Doo with story arcs and a darker tone? I'm in!

You should totally check it out. It's my fav SD series by far.

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I tried to get into Mystery Inc, but it's hard to take a show seriously when they have a talking dog that's scared of his own shadow.

I honestly think Scooby doo only fits for comedy...(especially if your gonna keep scooby doo)

To each their own. But I kinda prefer when the series does try to be serious. Probably why I like Mystery Incorperated and Scooby Doo on Zombie Island so much.

*ssjup81* · 01-17-2015, 08:19 PM

For me, I prefer darker too, which is why I liked The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo as a kid, but was disappointed because of the comedic aspects and that it had so much potential. I mean come on...Vincent Freaking Price was in it! It had so much potential!

So yeah, I'm like TMNT_guy in this regard. I liked the creepiness of Scooby Doo Where Are You. As I was getting older, I was starting to grow bored of the comedy...and Scooby as a character in general. I've never been a fan of Scooby's character...but he seemed to be more doglike in the beginning and more tolerable (imo).

*ssjup81* · 01-17-2015, 08:26 PM

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Plenty of Scooby-Doo hate in here. How is SD not relevant? I grew up in the 90s and he was definitely relevant in fact this is one classic character that has been able to remain relevant which is something even Bugs Bunny and Mickey mouse have failed to achieve. The constant revivals renew the format for new generations and it has worked, sure not all of them have been hits but its worked well enough. Counting that the general consensus is that the best Scooby-Doo show is also the latest SD series goes to show just how important he is.

As far as the new show, most people had already said it was crap when they only showed Scooby in the new art style. The show isn't aimed at them though but new fans just how Scooby has been getting new fans since he was first created. Now the new show definitely looks Family Guy-lite, and I'm not a huge fan of FG, it makes me giggle from time to time but generally I feel they're just cheap laughs and I don't watch it. So I guess this show will get me a few giggles as well, even that pilot made me laugh a few times. It's not the direction I'd want but its decent enough and It'll be fun I'm sure. Worst case sceneario this show will end in 3 years and we'll get a new Scooby show in likely 5 years with a new take on the character and if you can't wait that long every year there is a DTV with the classic formula with some being rather bland and others being some of the best Scooby so there you go.

I just hate when people grow up and they forget things are for kids and say any new version sucks because its not their version that they know and love, jeeze most of the internet are becoming exactly like those adults who said that new "rock music" was bad and whatnot and yet they don't realize it.

I mentioned that I became bored of the Scooby Doo formula at about 14 or so and I was really into it. Don't hate Scooby Doo, just grew bored of it.

*Wildcat* · 01-17-2015, 11:43 PM

Seems ok I guess. Don't like the character designs though. Glad they make the direct-to-video movies cause those remain normal...serious but still have some humor. I hope they keep those normal and separated like they have been. I really enjoy those.

Didn't really get into Mystery Inc. Liked What's New.

Just saw there's gonna be LEGO Scooby Doo sets. So happy to hear that. Might be based on this new cartoon but doesn't really matter with Lego. All the licensed characters end up looking cute anyway.

*sdp* · 01-18-2015, 05:51 PM

Scooby-Do can be and has been "dark" but its also always been a comedy show since the first episode. The whole "it was very dark for its time" can be applied for comedy as well, for that time "it was very humorous". At the end of the day the basic premise is they solve mysteries with a talking ****ing dog, you can only get so realistic. We already had a "darker" and based on the original while paying tribute to SD in general with Mystery Inc. Before that we had an action show. Now we have a more comedic take, give it a chance. If you lost interest in Scooby-Doo when you were 14 then that's perfectly OK since the target audience is kids younger than 12. I enjoy SD and appreciate the show for what it is but I'm far from the target audience.

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I just think Scooby-Doo from the start was a one-note joke that didn't exactly warrant any revivals or reinventions, period. Every episode was the same. Like, exactly the same. Good on the fact that other versions "expanded" on that. They still didn't have to. The world would have kept on spinning Just Fine if there had only been one Scooby-Doo series, one Flintstones series, etc.

People say otherwise counting its one of WBs most popular characters which include all their iconic characters including Looney Toons.

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I entirely don't understand the constant need to revive and reinvent things, just because someone grew up watching something and now they're a grown-up with a pen and no original ideas of their own. And it's completely overdone nowadays. And like I said, a lot of these things weren't spectacular the first time, so whether or not a new version is better or not isn't the point, it's "Who Actually Cares Anymore?"

This is coming from a wrestling fan? Very hypocritical of your part. SD WAS spectacular back in the day, most of the shows after were continuations more than reboots. Re-inventing SD with Scrappy and those new formulas made SD popular for new generations. I personally loved A Pup Named SD growing up. So, who cares? Apparently kids growing up since SD was created since he still has a huge presence in every generation, something not even the TMNT have done.

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I mean, people accept it and they "buy into" it because they're told to, but if you or anyone says, "I've always really hoped and dreamed that they'd revive a cartoon series from almost 50 years ago," you're lying. Literally nobody sits around thinking that. They give it to you, so you say "Thanks", but it's not like anyone seriously asked for it.
It's less about whether or not Scooby-Doo is or was ever any good, and more to do with the "death" of new ideas.

Talk about wrestling when you have a death of new ideas. Now while I agree too many series are being revived and rebooted or whatever can you really blame them? Look at internet forums people are always asking for a new show based on "_____", even on this forum we see this every day. And when its a franchise that they don't care about then they complain about "____" being rebooted again. Rather hypocritical. So yeah many times most people are asking for these reboots, and no they don't always "buy into" it, just look at marketed failed revivals like the new Thundercats, Voltron and even Masters of the Universe.

New ideas are awesome but we also have plenty of those but on internet you mostly find old men reliving their childhood and all they pay attention is to shows that they know which means revivals but there's been plenty of new shows created as well and yet those same internet fans are being hypocritical and calling them sucky because they're not the intended target audience acting like Kenan & Kel had been a masterpiece. It is true reboots are happening a lot but its just a trend and I think eventually it'll find a nice balance.

I have nothing against wrestling or anyone bashing SD in this thread I just want you guys to think from another perspective, you can not enjoy SD as much as I don't enjoy current wrestling but if I really think about it the attitude era was pretty silly in its own right, I just outgrew it. And I do prefer K&K over iCarly or whatever show is currently running but when it comes down to it they aren't that different from each other and neither is great, just one has something that appeals to me more. You can find crap in both modern and old shows.

*Wildcat* · 01-18-2015, 11:40 PM

Complaining about Scooby Doo or any big franchise is pretty dumb. So certain things shouldn't continue because they've gone on too long? I can wipe out all popular franchises/characters/movies/shows with that logic.

It's funny because it's usually people who are not that big a fan of "said series", which is fine, but they feel the need to complain anyway. Let it be something they really like then it's ok. You don't see the same criticism being applied.

Guess Ive just reluctantly bought into everything I still like from childhood...Cowabunga?

~~Leo656~~ · 01-19-2015, 07:34 AM

I watched more than my share of Scooby-Doo as a kid, enough to be allowed to have an objective opinion on it now. Wasn't that great. Memorable, yes. Par for the course with other shows of its era? Absolutely. Do they need to keep doing it forever? I kind of don't think so. "Why not?" Why bother? I know it's become "hip" to hate on it in recent years, but that doesn't change the fact that it never had much to it in the first place.

By mentioning shows like Voltron, Thundercats and He-Man, you actually proved a great point: There's a ton of stuff out there that is WAY more deserving of a revival, with much better storytelling potential, than something like Scooby-Doo. Those things get stifled because of toy companies, not because they aren't "worthy". They're better stories, period. The He-Man revival, in particular, was universally acclaimed, until Mattel decided to screw up the toy line and then pull the plug on the show after the toys stopped selling (which was again their own fault for botching it by insisting on nothing but repaints). That stuff didn't "fail" because they weren't any good, it was because there was too much going on story-wise for it to be watered-down for little kids.

Meanwhile, "A bunch of teenagers and their talking dog go around in an outdated van, solving 'mysteries' involving guys in cheap costumes pretending to be ghosts and monsters. It's usually Old Man Weatherbee from the Amusement Park, and he totally would have gotten away with it, too, etc. etc." Come onnnnn, how does THAT get pushed down people's throats for this many consecutive decades? You told that story, and then you did it over and over again. It's cute, but that's literally all it is. I personally think it's played out. Same thing as why any modern Flintstones revival is a stupid waste of time. "Yeah, we get it, everything's a rock. Those jokes were barely funny back when everyone only had three channels and thus HAD to sit through this." There's NO reason for it NOW.

Frankly, I'm puzzled at bringing wrestling into it, other than you're out of straws to grasp in defending your over-enthusiasm for a cartoon show that, even in its own era, was made fun of for being corny and overly-simple. And FYI, I'm not a "wrestling fan", I'm a wrestler, and thus, I also F'n hate wrestling. Those two facts are intimately connected. Pick a better counter-point next time.

Wildcat: I see what you're getting at, but I'm old enough now to see how "Something Existed Once" is in no way a reason for it to exist Again. Let's get off of cartoons into other popular shows. The Brady Bunch and The Partridge Family were super-popular. They were also F'n stupid. Beyond Stupid. And also, totally a product of their own era. Nobody's crying for those shows to be revived NOW, decades after they were popular or relevant, just because "Hey, it made money once!" Stuff needs to be left where it died, not dug up, injected with zombie serum and propped up once again "just 'cause." And if you HAVE to revive stuff, there's a ton of way better and less-cheesy stuff they can pick from.

I know, I'm a sourpuss. I'm pretty sure they need to stop doing Garfield and Popeye shows, too. Inspector Gadget. All stuff I really loved, that worked exactly ONCE, and everything since has been the sh*ts. Just Don't Do That, Do Something Else. Really not complicated.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-19-2015, 08:29 AM

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I'm pretty sure they need to stop doing Garfield and Popeye shows, too..

The last Popeye cartoon I ever watched was the one with his spinnege-hating "surfer" kid. Again, like the adult Pebbles/Bam-Bam shows and movies, a bold effort to adjust the sails, but another one that is commonly derided.

*ssjup81* · 01-19-2015, 09:20 AM

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The last Popeye cartoon I ever watched was the one with his spinnege-hating "surfer" kid. Again, like the adult Pebbles/Bam-Bam shows and movies, a bold effort to adjust the sails, but another one that is commonly derided.

I used to really like Popeye & Son as a kid...but granted, I haven't seen the show since I was kid too. As an adult, I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much...who knows. I remember the intro and song, though. Nothing else much really, other than Bluto was married with a kid too.

I also liked the Pebbles & Bam-Bam show and the Flintstones comedy show and the New Flintstones. Dunno, liked those shows, but grew bored of Scooby Doo...

*ZariusTwo* · 01-19-2015, 09:30 AM

Weren't the last Scooby-Doos of the 80s sort of hinting at Shaggy and Daphne were a couple? There's quite a fanbase for it over on FF.net that point out the two were practically living together in 13 Ghosts

*ssjup81* · 01-19-2015, 09:53 AM

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Weren't the last Scooby-Doos of the 80s sort of hinting at Shaggy and Daphne were a couple? There's quite a fanbase for it over on FF.net that point out the two were practically living together in 13 Ghosts

They probably thought so because Velma and Fred were dropped and it was only Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby, and Scrappy. 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo it was only them and the kid Flim-Flam and Vincent Price's character. Even before then, it was Shaggy and Daphne as the main human characters. That's probably why people shipped them. No Fred.

Oh yeah, in the movie, Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf (as a kid I loved this movie for some reason lol), Shaggy had a girlfriend named Googie. Maybe that's why I liked it. Shaggy had a girlfriend.

*DarkFell* · 01-19-2015, 11:38 AM

Hey Zarius, YouTube pulled the video because of WB reasons. Just a heads up.

~~Amaranthus~~ · 01-19-2015, 11:52 AM

This looks bad. Like really bad.

01-17-2015, 02:40 PM	#21
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Plenty of Scooby-Doo hate in here. How is SD not relevant? I grew up in the 90s and he was definitely relevant in fact this is one classic character that has been able to remain relevant which is something even Bugs Bunny and Mickey mouse have failed to achieve. The constant revivals renew the format for new generations and it has worked, sure not all of them have been hits but its worked well enough. Counting that the general consensus is that the best Scooby-Doo show is also the latest SD series goes to show just how important he is. As far as the new show, most people had already said it was crap when they only showed Scooby in the new art style. The show isn't aimed at them though but new fans just how Scooby has been getting new fans since he was first created. Now the new show definitely looks Family Guy-lite, and I'm not a huge fan of FG, it makes me giggle from time to time but generally I feel they're just cheap laughs and I don't watch it. So I guess this show will get me a few giggles as well, even that pilot made me laugh a few times. It's not the direction I'd want but its decent enough and It'll be fun I'm sure. Worst case sceneario this show will end in 3 years and we'll get a new Scooby show in likely 5 years with a new take on the character and if you can't wait that long every year there is a DTV with the classic formula with some being rather bland and others being some of the best Scooby so there you go. I just hate when people grow up and they forget things are for kids and say any new version sucks because its not their version that they know and love, jeeze most of the internet are becoming exactly like those adults who said that new "rock music" was bad and whatnot and yet they don't realize it. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

01-17-2015, 05:33 PM	#27
TMNT_Guy Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Home, PA Posts: 620	The only problem I always had with all the future Scooby-Doo installments is that they concentrated on the wrong element of the original series, the comedy instead of the horror element. The original Scooby-Doo series was really creepy for a children’s series from 1969. Whereas most cartoons at the time were bright and colorful, Scooby-Doo was always set at night and always had that wonderful atmospheric soundtrack. What other cartoon series from 1969 had a character saying “Is that…blood?”. For the sequels I always wished they would’ve concentrated more on the horror element kind of like Goosebumps or Are you Afraid of the Dark in that their creepy, but still child friendly. If I was in charge of a new Scooby series I’d still have Shaggy and Scooby do their comedy relief roles, eating giant sandwiches and other cartoony antics. I’d have Fred and Velma be the most serious of the group, and maybe have Daphne be the middle of the group by having her still be serious but play up her clumsiness(Danger prone Daphne did it again!) I’d still have the monster, ghost, demon, etc be revealed as fake at the end so kids don’t stay awake at night wondering if the monsters will get them. Kids do like to be a little scared, after all. The only sequel that really tried to be creepy was Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island and it’s still my favorite Scooby-Doo production. I suppose Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated tried, but all the monsters in that series boiled down to “they run really fast and jump through walls Kool-Aid Man style” so it had more of an action adventure feel instead of a creepy feeling. The only reason I watch any of the post Scooby-Doo Where Are You? stuff is to listen to all the brilliantly delivered sarcastic lines Casey Kasem as Shaggy does. And to see Don Knotts and Vincent Price, of course. __________________

01-17-2015, 11:43 PM	#31
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	Seems ok I guess. Don't like the character designs though. Glad they make the direct-to-video movies cause those remain normal...serious but still have some humor. I hope they keep those normal and separated like they have been. I really enjoy those. Didn't really get into Mystery Inc. Liked What's New. Just saw there's gonna be LEGO Scooby Doo sets. So happy to hear that. Might be based on this new cartoon but doesn't really matter with Lego. All the licensed characters end up looking cute anyway. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

01-18-2015, 11:40 PM	#33
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	Complaining about Scooby Doo or any big franchise is pretty dumb. So certain things shouldn't continue because they've gone on too long? I can wipe out all popular franchises/characters/movies/shows with that logic. It's funny because it's usually people who are not that big a fan of "said series", which is fine, but they feel the need to complain anyway. Let it be something they really like then it's ok. You don't see the same criticism being applied. Guess Ive just reluctantly bought into everything I still like from childhood...Cowabunga? __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

01-19-2015, 09:30 AM	#37
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	Weren't the last Scooby-Doos of the 80s sort of hinting at Shaggy and Daphne were a couple? There's quite a fanbase for it over on FF.net that point out the two were practically living together in 13 Ghosts __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

01-17-2015, 02:53 PM	#22
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I just think Scooby-Doo from the start was a one-note joke that didn't exactly warrant any revivals or reinventions, period. Every episode was the same. Like, exactly the same. Good on the fact that other versions "expanded" on that. They still didn't have to. The world would have kept on spinning Just Fine if there had only been one Scooby-Doo series, one Flintstones series, etc. I entirely don't understand the constant need to revive and reinvent things, just because someone grew up watching something and now they're a grown-up with a pen and no original ideas of their own. And it's completely overdone nowadays. And like I said, a lot of these things weren't spectacular the first time, so whether or not a new version is better or not isn't the point, it's "Who Actually Cares Anymore?" I mean, people accept it and they "buy into" it because they're told to, but if you or anyone says, "I've always really hoped and dreamed that they'd revive a cartoon series from almost 50 years ago," you're lying. Literally nobody sits around thinking that. They give it to you, so you say "Thanks", but it's not like anyone seriously asked for it. It's less about whether or not Scooby-Doo is or was ever any good, and more to do with the "death" of new ideas.

01-17-2015, 03:18 PM	#24
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I think the idea of "Jailbait Pebbles" was just making people uncomfortable.

01-17-2015, 03:23 PM	#26
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Oh, God, she's gorgeous. I don't care what she used to look like when she was little. RIGHT NOW, I want to skin her like a deer. ...Man, that's probably not healthy, that that's the first place my mind went.

01-17-2015, 08:19 PM	#29
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	For me, I prefer darker too, which is why I liked The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo as a kid, but was disappointed because of the comedic aspects and that it had so much potential. I mean come on...Vincent Freaking Price was in it! It had so much potential! So yeah, I'm like TMNT_guy in this regard. I liked the creepiness of Scooby Doo Where Are You. As I was getting older, I was starting to grow bored of the comedy...and Scooby as a character in general. I've never been a fan of Scooby's character...but he seemed to be more doglike in the beginning and more tolerable (imo).

01-19-2015, 07:34 AM	#34
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I watched more than my share of Scooby-Doo as a kid, enough to be allowed to have an objective opinion on it now. Wasn't that great. Memorable, yes. Par for the course with other shows of its era? Absolutely. Do they need to keep doing it forever? I kind of don't think so. "Why not?" Why bother? I know it's become "hip" to hate on it in recent years, but that doesn't change the fact that it never had much to it in the first place. By mentioning shows like Voltron, Thundercats and He-Man, you actually proved a great point: There's a ton of stuff out there that is WAY more deserving of a revival, with much better storytelling potential, than something like Scooby-Doo. Those things get stifled because of toy companies, not because they aren't "worthy". They're better stories, period. The He-Man revival, in particular, was universally acclaimed, until Mattel decided to screw up the toy line and then pull the plug on the show after the toys stopped selling (which was again their own fault for botching it by insisting on nothing but repaints). That stuff didn't "fail" because they weren't any good, it was because there was too much going on story-wise for it to be watered-down for little kids. Meanwhile, "A bunch of teenagers and their talking dog go around in an outdated van, solving 'mysteries' involving guys in cheap costumes pretending to be ghosts and monsters. It's usually Old Man Weatherbee from the Amusement Park, and he totally would have gotten away with it, too, etc. etc." Come onnnnn, how does THAT get pushed down people's throats for this many consecutive decades? You told that story, and then you did it over and over again. It's cute, but that's literally all it is. I personally think it's played out. Same thing as why any modern Flintstones revival is a stupid waste of time. "Yeah, we get it, everything's a rock. Those jokes were barely funny back when everyone only had three channels and thus HAD to sit through this." There's NO reason for it NOW. Frankly, I'm puzzled at bringing wrestling into it, other than you're out of straws to grasp in defending your over-enthusiasm for a cartoon show that, even in its own era, was made fun of for being corny and overly-simple. And FYI, I'm not a "wrestling fan", I'm a wrestler, and thus, I also F'n hate wrestling. Those two facts are intimately connected. Pick a better counter-point next time. Wildcat: I see what you're getting at, but I'm old enough now to see how "Something Existed Once" is in no way a reason for it to exist Again. Let's get off of cartoons into other popular shows. The Brady Bunch and The Partridge Family were super-popular. They were also F'n stupid. Beyond Stupid. And also, totally a product of their own era. Nobody's crying for those shows to be revived NOW, decades after they were popular or relevant, just because "Hey, it made money once!" Stuff needs to be left where it died, not dug up, injected with zombie serum and propped up once again "just 'cause." And if you HAVE to revive stuff, there's a ton of way better and less-cheesy stuff they can pick from. I know, I'm a sourpuss. I'm pretty sure they need to stop doing Garfield and Popeye shows, too. Inspector Gadget. All stuff I really loved, that worked exactly ONCE, and everything since has been the sh*ts. Just Don't Do That, Do Something Else. Really not complicated.

01-19-2015, 11:52 AM	#40
~~Amaranthus~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 1,815	This looks bad. Like really bad.