Mikey's ADHD/ADD

[BubblyShell22]

I agree, but it was still stupid of him to do it once given what he saw Timothy go through.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I'd post "Mikey is annoying and he doesn't have ADHD, just like you're dumb and have no dyslexia." But I won't (because you probably do have it) and instead I'll post what I thought about posting so we can all sit down and laugh at how you're wrong.

Dude, the personal remarks aren't necessary - this is a difference of opinion over a cartoon character, for chrissake. There's no need to act like that.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I agree with Penny here. No need to make fun of someone for having a disability. It's one thing to disagree with her theory, but it's another to make personal attacks against her.

[Orochi]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Mikey is not dumb, the writers arn't making him dumb. They are making him a role model for children who struggle with ADHD/ADD.

The cartoon is showing them how Mikey struggles with it and how he overcomes it.

It also shows how Splinter and his brothers deals with Mikey's problems and how it can be struggle sometimes and how they can overcome it.

So Kids will recognise that they have the same problems as Mikey and it will show them how they can cope, by giveing them a confidence boost when they see Mikey having good idea's, leading his team ect

Most children with ADHD/ADD will have emotional and social problems because they are probably bullied in school I expect they are called dumb, stupid or idiot by other children.

So if your calling Mikey dumb, then you are calling every children with ADHD/ADD in the world dumb.

Ask me this, How many childrens cartoons are there that deals with ADHD/ADD and I don't count The Simpsons or any other adult cartoons.

I'm not calling all children with ADHD dumb, there's plenty that don't act like Michelangelo. This is actually precisely why I think it's not a great idea to put this kind of label on a character in a show made primarily for children. Yes, it's nice that kids have someone to look up to, but Mikey IS dumb. He's been called stupid countless times by his brothers. Even in the first episode, Donatello quips about his lack of a brain. Not all children with the syndrome are stupid. It's like saying all autistic people are exactly like Tina from Bobs Burgers. It's a blanket statement that puts words in the mouths of people who didn't even remotely say that. I'd appreciate if I'm not being made out to insult every single child suffering with ADHD out there, if you don't mind.

Mikey has low intelligence, there's no denying it. However there's nothing saying he isn't still a good character and if he does or doesn't have ADHD (I probably won't consider him to have it unless Ciro says so or it's directly mentioned in an episode) I still think he lacks the intelligence his other brothers have. He just somehow does things that make sense, he doesn't even know how he does them. It's part of his character.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Orochi

I'm not calling all children with ADHD dumb, there's plenty that don't act like Michelangelo. This is actually precisely why I think it's not a great idea to put this kind of label on a character in a show made primarily for children. Yes, it's nice that kids have someone to look up to, but Mikey IS dumb. He's been called stupid countless times by his brothers. Even in the first episode, Donatello quips about his lack of a brain. Not all children with the syndrome are stupid. It's like saying all autistic people are exactly like Tina from Bobs Burgers. It's a blanket statement that puts words in the mouths of people who didn't even remotely say that. I'd appreciate if I'm not being made out to insult every single child suffering with ADHD out there, if you don't mind.

Mikey has low intelligence, there's no denying it. However there's nothing saying he isn't still a good character and if he does or doesn't have ADHD (I probably won't consider him to have it unless Ciro says so or it's directly mentioned in an episode) I still think he lacks the intelligence his other brothers have. He just somehow does things that make sense, he doesn't even know how he does them. It's part of his character.

Yes I know he lacks intelligence and he does silly things for laughs but he is improving. He is more Intelligent than Patrick from Spongebob and Ralph from The Simpsons.

Yes I know his brothers call him stupid and at first don't take him seriously, For example, in Mikey get's Shellachne when he suggested they look for Baxter in his hideout but they thought that was stupid. Since then they listen to his ideas now. So Mikey's brother's also learn from there mistake by not taking Mikey Seriously. They even let him lead the team in Battle for New York.

Kids with ADHD who have brothers and sisters who don't understand them and need more attention than they do will call them stupid ect, it's called sibling rivalry. even my sister called me stupid because I needed more attention when we were younger but she said regrets it now.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

How can people say he's dumb and stupid.

Yes he makes mistakes but it doesn't make him dumb and everyone makes mistakes.
Yes he's has goofy moments but that doesn't make him dumb.
Yes he get's over excited (Which is part of his ADHD) but that doesn't make him dumb.
Yes he does lack intelligence and some knowledge but thats part of his ADHD and he is improving.

Name one stupid dumb mistake he did in:

Within The Woods
Buried Secrets
Vision Quest
Return to New York
Serpent Hunt
The Pig and the Rhino
Battle For New York

(Please don't include pressing the button by accident and eating disgusting food because they are running gags.)

Mikey has improved a lot since season 1.

He listen's to the other turtles plans.
He has good idea's and his brother's listen to him now.
He has lead the team in Into Dimension X and Battle for New York Part 2.
He can sense things that don't seem right, like in Buried Secrets. (Yes they didn't listen to him that time but I expect next time they will).

He brothers are taking him more seriously now, it just takes time.

He had a lot of devlopment in Battle for New York and had some awesome moments.

Spoiler:

Telling Leo to trust Slash and give him a chance.
Had some adorable moments with Leatherhead
He lead the team in Part 2
He had great ideas that worked
He Stopped the Space Worm Thing
He stopped Kraang Sub Prime (temporary)
He flew a Stealth Ship
He flew the Technodrome and changed it to hold retro mutagen.

Mikey is devoping, improving and getting more mature but it's happening at a slower pace. He can't just change overnight and become normal just because he was amazing in one episode, you have to give him time and patients. If he does make a silly mistake, he will learn from it and improve next time.

I agree. Outside of a few season 1 moments, I just don't view him as stupid. Immature and ocassionally unfocused, yes. Stupid, no.

[Bravotello]

I think that the 2014 series just has poor characterization of the characters, someone else on this thread had the same idea I think. The Nick cartoon seemed to strip the characters down to their most base interpretation or making them more child friendly.

Although..the 2003 series was on 4kids. It was a kids show I don't see why shows feel the need to water down literally everything in shows these days.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Bravotello

The Nick cartoon seemed to strip the characters down to their most base interpretation or making them more child friendly.

Although..the 2003 series was on 4kids. It was a kids show I don't see why shows feel the need to water down literally everything in shows these days.

This is so stupid. The Fred Wolf cartoon & Bay films are guilty of that, but Nick? What the hell? Ciro & the gang ADDED to their characters! Leonardo's insecurities & geeky side, Donatello's short temper & romanticism, etc. & there's nothing about them that is designed to be "more child friendly", hell, they're rude to one another & they often try to disgust the viewers, which is quite the opposite. If you don't like how the show does things, that's fine, you're more than entitled to your opinions, but what you're saying is just plain wrong. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. You're coming off like just another 4kids fanboy who can't come to grips with something that isn't pretentiously dark & edgy for the sake of it.

[Leo656]

For me it's more about how awful they write Donnie and Mikey, both, that pushed me away. By far, my least favorite version of either of them, and it's tough for me to stay into a show when I consistently want to choke half the main cast into a coma for acting like morons.

There's "whimsical" and "light" and "fun", and then there's this show and how it presents those two. Ugh.

But yeah, still waiting for *solid* proof that Mikey has ADHD, and that it's not just fans projecting what they want to see into the material. From where I stand, he's just stupid for stupid's sake. He's just plain old "Kelso" in this show. And I hate Kelso with the fury of a thousand suns.

[Bravotello]

Sorry, I've watched a few episodes. I'm not just a pretentious 2003 Turtle person. I did give it a chance and was actually excited for it but it was a huge letdown for me and I'm not sure if they added to it persay. Especially with Donatello, I don't know if Nick did it or not but I don't like his portrayal very much. To be fair though I only really watched the first one.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't see a problem with Mikey having ADHD, although I highly doubt they'll ever potray that correctly in any way. Mikey's antics are for comedy purposes only and some writers takes it to an embarrassing extreme, it's not a part of the symptoms of having a disability.

If Ciro's statement that he have to reel in the worst writings of Mikey is true, I do wish he was more adamant like Peter Laird was in 4Kids, cause it seems like a lot of the more extreme antics could have been toned down.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I like the way IDW treats Mikey.

Agreed. They don't make him embarrassingly stupid or hyper, just a little eccentric and off-the-wall at times. But he still contributes meaningful thoughts there, has enough intelligence to realize when he's messed up, and even comes up with some pretty ingenious plans on occasion. (The Mikey micro was simply awesome!)

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I also see where you're coming from, Vicky, but a lot of kids may not understand that Mikey is just like them. They may just say he's funny and leave it at that. And I'm not saying people with ADD or ADHD are idiots. I'm just saying Mikey is because he's done some things that are moronic. I think he's more mentally retarded with some of the stuff he's done like putting mutagen on himself. That's not something a kid with ADD would do. One of my sister's stepsons is ADD, and he's actually a very smart kid and knows right from wrong. Seems to me that at fifteen, Mikey should know better about certain things, but he doesn't, thus making him an idiot.

Ditto. Nothing about him in Nick says ADHD to me- it just says "we want to make him funny to six-year-olds, and just cringe-worthy to anyone older, so we're making him a spastic idiot." Seriously. It's for the "humor" and nothing else. If they were the Stooges, Mikey would be Shemp. Not even Curly, but- SHEMP. The dumbest of the dumb morons. Again, this is NOT Mikey's character! It never HAS been, either, until NOW.

Originally Posted by Leo656

For me it's more about how awful they write Donnie and Mikey, both, that pushed me away. By far, my least favorite version of either of them, and it's tough for me to stay into a show when I consistently want to choke half the main cast into a coma for acting like morons.

There's "whimsical" and "light" and "fun", and then there's this show and how it presents those two. Ugh.

But yeah, still waiting for *solid* proof that Mikey has ADHD, and that it's not just fans projecting what they want to see into the material. From where I stand, he's just stupid for stupid's sake. He's just plain old "Kelso" in this show. And I hate Kelso with the fury of a thousand suns.

Yeah, I second that, at least where Mikey is concerned. Donnie, I actually like, but Mikey..... Ugh. He's just flat DUMB in Nick, and never REALLY gets any better. He'll "improve" for an episode or two, then go right back into "village idiot" territory for several more. And it's getting old.

[Leo656]

Poor Shemp. He gets so much hate... and half the time, it's not even really him! That's kind of unfair.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, to be fair, he WAS dumber than Curly. The other two go back and forth over who's smarter.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, I agree with Penny here. No need to make fun of someone for having a disability. It's one thing to disagree with her theory, but it's another to make personal attacks against her.

What part of the "I'd post this insult, but I won't because reasons" is so hard to understand?

[BubblyShell22]

Simply the fact that you were thinking about doing so is enough for me. Yeah, you may have retracted the statement, but the pure thought that you were planning on posing something like that is still horrible enough. As I said, it's one thing to disagree with her theory, but it's another to attack someone or even to think of attacking someone in that way, which you were going to do.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Simply the fact that you were thinking about doing so is enough for me. Yeah, you may have retracted the statement, but the pure thought that you were planning on posing something like that is still horrible enough. As I said, it's one thing to disagree with her theory, but it's another to attack someone or even to think of attacking someone in that way, which you were going to do.

I'm sowwy.

[BubblyShell22]

Apology accepted. Just think before you post something like that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I'm sowwy.

D*ck apology, dude.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

What part of the "I'd post this insult, but I won't because reasons" is so hard to understand?

But you did post it.

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I'd post "Mikey is annoying and he doesn't have ADHD, just like you're dumb and have no dyslexia." But I won't (because you probably do have it) and instead I'll post what I thought about posting so we can all sit down and laugh at how you're wrong.

You've might as well have done one of those douchey "no offense, but *something offensive*".