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*That Matt Guy* · 06-23-2003, 04:35 PM

I can understand why people think wrestling is stupid. I mean look at all the crap they have done over the years, Riding out to the ring in monster trucks, Sting wrestling Robo Cop, Chucky the doll threating Rick Steiner, Chuck Norris and Mike Tyson helping out the WWF, Jay Leno vs Eric Bischoff, The Blue Meanie, Roddy Piper kissing Goldust. I could go on forever.

*Dane E5R* · 06-23-2003, 04:45 PM

I myself no longer watch wrestling. I stopped watching after the DX tease involving HHH and HBK (they acting as though they were gonna reform DX, but HHH ended up turning on HBK), and stopped watching permanently after my hero/idol X-Pac left. I had to be one of the biggest DX marks on the planet and it totally broke my heart. But even though I don't particularly like wrestling, I will ALWAYS respect it. Sure, you can think it's stupid, but atleast have the decency to respect the athletes that go through sh*t that most people would never think about putting themselves through just to entertain someone else. This ain't about liking it or disliking it, it's about respect.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-23-2003, 05:05 PM

But it is just plain dumb. I see people pick others up and toss them around, and people fighting with chairs, do we really need that? How is that entertaining?? Sheesh, grow up. And I was talking about fake wrestling when I meant it takes no skill, just be big and have spandex. High school wrestling takes some skill, but it is still a dummy sport, now boxing...that is a sport that takes skill. Wrestling just attracts the people who can't graduate high school and need to get quick money by flexing with spandex. Get a REAL job, then you will see how hard it is to make REAL money. But you might have to be smart, so fair warning...

~~Leo656~~ · 06-23-2003, 06:01 PM

Again, it's easy for someone who's never actually DONE it to say this stuff. I've mentioned before that a lot of wrestlers not only have college educations, but a lot of them have done "real" jobs. Teachers, bankers, CPAs, just to name a few, have all gotten into wrestling, not because they "couldn't do a real job", but because they *wanted* to do it. Scott Levy (Raven) is a member of MENSA. I don't remember what his IQ is, but the guy is, without exaggeration, a certified genius. I seriously doubt he wrestles because he "couldnt do anything else".

See, Tokka, the problem is that you, by your own admission, have no idea what you're talking about in this case, because you don't know anything factual about wrestling, and therefore your arguments come off sounding ignorant. Your opinion, that you don't like wrestling, is perfectly valid. But saying things like "the only people who become wrestlers are people who can't do anything else" makes you look completely ignorant for the simple fact that it's not true. In fact, most people in wrestling *quit* their prior jobs to *become* wrestlers. Hulk Hogan was a banker. The Ultimate Warrior was a chiropractor. Big Van Vader is a real estate agent. Kevin Nash coached basketball. Spike Dudley was an elementary school teacher. D-Lo Brown was a Certified Public Accountant. All of those jobs offer much more benefits and job security than professional wrestling, but each of these individuals went out and became wrestlers because they WANTED to, not because they "couldn't do anything else".

As for comparing wrestling to boxing... I'm sorry but that is yet another ignorant argument. The ONLY time an amateur wrestler would lose to a boxer is if the wrestler had NO clue what he was doing. In boxing all you use is your hands... the gloves are like handcuffs on you, and you're completely handicapped against an opponent who is skilled in using their entire body. I've gotten in a lot of fights, and I haven't actually taken a punch since the 8th grade. The reason why is that anyone who wrestles knows that all you have to do when someone throws a punch is dodge it, take the guy down and pummel the crap out of them. The last guy that tried to take a swing at me almost ended up with a seperated shoulder. It's so easy if you know how. And wrestlers do. The best way to block a punch is not to be there. Boxing does require skill, but it's a different kind of skill than wrestling. Note how a lot of the most successful competitors in the UFC have experience in amateur wrestling. It's no "dummy sport", and by saying it is when you have no idea what you're talking about is, again, making you look ignorant.

And as someone who has wrestled, I can also say that it takes an entirely different kind of drive to be a professional wrestler. I know a lot of people who have done both, and they all say that being a professional wrestler is a lot harder than what they had to do as an amateur, mostly for the fact that 1) There's no off-season, 2) The matches are longer, 3) There's more pain involved, 4) The pay sucks, 5) There are no benefits or medical coverage whatsoever (unless you're one in a million and actually make it to the WWE, in which case they pay your medical bills if you're injured on the job), 6) There's constant travel, 7) Most people in the business rarely see their families, and almost never see them more than once a week, and, possibly the biggest reason, 8 ) almost nobody gives them any respect.

Imagine, for a second, that you're a wrestler. Imagine getting thrown accidentally into the guardrail that keeps the fans back, and accidentally breaking a rib. Now imagine, for a moment, that rib punctures one of your lungs, and you're on the ground gasping for air. You don't know if you're going to live or die, all you know is that every breath feels like your lungs are on fire. Imagine all that, and then imagine some brain-dead moron in the front row yelling "get up, you phony!" in your ear the entire time. I don't think you'd find it very pleasant. Nobody would.

That's what these people go through to entertain us, and to mock them, mock what they do, just isn't right. Again, you don't have to like what they do, but you should at least respect it. I mean, I hate football but I respect what they do.

And again, to reiterate what someone else said, to say wrestling is "dumb" and "immature" really makes no sense at all, given that this is a Ninja Turtles forum and, let's be honest... it just doesn't get much more "out there" than that.

*Raven* · 06-23-2003, 06:51 PM

god leo could you write any less!

~~Leo656~~ · 06-23-2003, 08:19 PM

In a word...

No.

SlayerX · 06-23-2003, 11:02 PM

LOL! GK and Leo to come to the rescue and explain what I was thinking, and more

One wrestler who we should all respect is Mick Foley

I fear that this conversation is gonna turn into a 'your picture' convo, where Tokka TRIES to sound mature, but gets off as a pre-pubescent 14 year old girl

*Raven* · 06-24-2003, 07:55 AM

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-24-2003, 02:57 PM

Oh, namecalling are we? What grade are we in again?

Ok Leo, I meant if a boxer and a wrestler got into a fight, a boxer would win no doubt. I mean a real fight, not one where the boxer can only use his hands (although most of the time they probly will)...and besides, boxing doesn't have all of those goofy nicknames like "The Rock".

While he is explaining what he is cooking for breakfast the boxer will have ko'd him quite a bit. Oh yea, and boxing is REAL.

*JameO* · 06-24-2003, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triceraton

LOL! GK and Leo to come to the rescue and explain what I was thinking, and more

One wrestler who we should all respect is Mick Foley

I fear that this conversation is gonna turn into a 'your picture' convo, where Tokka TRIES to sound mature, but gets off as a pre-pubescent 14 year old girl

Yes Mick Foley is a wrestling god. And also a good writer.

His books are great! And yes once you get into wrestling and real wrestling then you will realize it is a REAL job and they entertain people like any hockey game or basketball depending on what you like. And you can't just get into wrestling that easy. Takes training and commitment.

[Edit: Very nicely said Leo. Well done.]

tekcop · 06-24-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokka

Ok Leo, I meant if a boxer and a wrestler got into a fight, a boxer would win no doubt. I mean a real fight, not one where the boxer can only use his hands (although most of the time they probly will)...and besides, boxing doesn't have all of those goofy nicknames like "The Rock".

While he is explaining what he is cooking for breakfast the boxer will have ko'd him quite a bit. Oh yea, and boxing is REAL.

So... did you just ignore everything he just said? Y'know except for the parts you agree with.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-24-2003, 09:28 PM

I disagree, Tokka. Like I've said, even in a "real" fight, the ONLY way a boxer would beat a wrestler is if the wrestler had no idea what he was doing. You think a wrestler would be dumb enough to actually stand there and let a boxer punch them in the face? The reason people think boxers are tougher than wrestlers is because boxing is a glamorized sport and wrestling is ignored except when the Olympics come around every four years. But that doesn't mean a boxer can beat a wrestler in a fight. A fistfight? Maybe, but again, only an idiot would stand there and try to trade punches.

As I've said, I've been in a lot of fights, and nobody's connected with a punch on me in years. When someone swings at you, you take them down, neutralize them, and if you have to, break the arm or dislocate it. Wrestling taught me how to do that. You think your average boxer knows how to do that? I mean they might have the general idea, but do they know how to use leverage to gain an advantage over a larger opponent? Can they use their opponent's weight against them in keeping them off-balance? Can they not only block a punch, but keep the opponent from throwing another one?

If I ever fought a boxer I'd hook his arm, take him down on the ground and dislocate his elbow, and right there I'd eliminate 90% of his offense. I really don't see how being able to punch hard gives someone any kind of advantage, especially when it's a LOT easier to take someone down in a hold than try and knock them out with a punch.

And boxing is real? Depends on who the promoter is, and if you think boxing is always 100% legit, you haven't seen ANYTHING Don King's promoted in the last ten years.

*That Matt Guy* · 06-25-2003, 06:48 AM

I remember the WWF actually had some boxing matches a few years back. I think Bradshaw beat a couple of professional boxers.

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06-23-2003, 04:35 PM	#21
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I can understand why people think wrestling is stupid. I mean look at all the crap they have done over the years, Riding out to the ring in monster trucks, Sting wrestling Robo Cop, Chucky the doll threating Rick Steiner, Chuck Norris and Mike Tyson helping out the WWF, Jay Leno vs Eric Bischoff, The Blue Meanie, Roddy Piper kissing Goldust. I could go on forever.

06-23-2003, 05:05 PM	#23
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	But it is just plain dumb. I see people pick others up and toss them around, and people fighting with chairs, do we really need that? How is that entertaining?? Sheesh, grow up. And I was talking about fake wrestling when I meant it takes no skill, just be big and have spandex. High school wrestling takes some skill, but it is still a dummy sport, now boxing...that is a sport that takes skill. Wrestling just attracts the people who can't graduate high school and need to get quick money by flexing with spandex. Get a REAL job, then you will see how hard it is to make REAL money. But you might have to be smart, so fair warning...

06-23-2003, 06:01 PM	#24
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Again, it's easy for someone who's never actually DONE it to say this stuff. I've mentioned before that a lot of wrestlers not only have college educations, but a lot of them have done "real" jobs. Teachers, bankers, CPAs, just to name a few, have all gotten into wrestling, not because they "couldn't do a real job", but because they wanted to do it. Scott Levy (Raven) is a member of MENSA. I don't remember what his IQ is, but the guy is, without exaggeration, a certified genius. I seriously doubt he wrestles because he "couldnt do anything else". See, Tokka, the problem is that you, by your own admission, have no idea what you're talking about in this case, because you don't know anything factual about wrestling, and therefore your arguments come off sounding ignorant. Your opinion, that you don't like wrestling, is perfectly valid. But saying things like "the only people who become wrestlers are people who can't do anything else" makes you look completely ignorant for the simple fact that it's not true. In fact, most people in wrestling quit their prior jobs to become wrestlers. Hulk Hogan was a banker. The Ultimate Warrior was a chiropractor. Big Van Vader is a real estate agent. Kevin Nash coached basketball. Spike Dudley was an elementary school teacher. D-Lo Brown was a Certified Public Accountant. All of those jobs offer much more benefits and job security than professional wrestling, but each of these individuals went out and became wrestlers because they WANTED to, not because they "couldn't do anything else". As for comparing wrestling to boxing... I'm sorry but that is yet another ignorant argument. The ONLY time an amateur wrestler would lose to a boxer is if the wrestler had NO clue what he was doing. In boxing all you use is your hands... the gloves are like handcuffs on you, and you're completely handicapped against an opponent who is skilled in using their entire body. I've gotten in a lot of fights, and I haven't actually taken a punch since the 8th grade. The reason why is that anyone who wrestles knows that all you have to do when someone throws a punch is dodge it, take the guy down and pummel the crap out of them. The last guy that tried to take a swing at me almost ended up with a seperated shoulder. It's so easy if you know how. And wrestlers do. The best way to block a punch is not to be there. Boxing does require skill, but it's a different kind of skill than wrestling. Note how a lot of the most successful competitors in the UFC have experience in amateur wrestling. It's no "dummy sport", and by saying it is when you have no idea what you're talking about is, again, making you look ignorant. And as someone who has wrestled, I can also say that it takes an entirely different kind of drive to be a professional wrestler. I know a lot of people who have done both, and they all say that being a professional wrestler is a lot harder than what they had to do as an amateur, mostly for the fact that 1) There's no off-season, 2) The matches are longer, 3) There's more pain involved, 4) The pay sucks, 5) There are no benefits or medical coverage whatsoever (unless you're one in a million and actually make it to the WWE, in which case they pay your medical bills if you're injured on the job), 6) There's constant travel, 7) Most people in the business rarely see their families, and almost never see them more than once a week, and, possibly the biggest reason, 8 ) almost nobody gives them any respect. Imagine, for a second, that you're a wrestler. Imagine getting thrown accidentally into the guardrail that keeps the fans back, and accidentally breaking a rib. Now imagine, for a moment, that rib punctures one of your lungs, and you're on the ground gasping for air. You don't know if you're going to live or die, all you know is that every breath feels like your lungs are on fire. Imagine all that, and then imagine some brain-dead moron in the front row yelling "get up, you phony!" in your ear the entire time. I don't think you'd find it very pleasant. Nobody would. That's what these people go through to entertain us, and to mock them, mock what they do, just isn't right. Again, you don't have to like what they do, but you should at least respect it. I mean, I hate football but I respect what they do. And again, to reiterate what someone else said, to say wrestling is "dumb" and "immature" really makes no sense at all, given that this is a Ninja Turtles forum and, let's be honest... it just doesn't get much more "out there" than that.

06-23-2003, 08:19 PM	#26
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	In a word... No.

06-24-2003, 02:57 PM	#29
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Oh, namecalling are we? What grade are we in again? Ok Leo, I meant if a boxer and a wrestler got into a fight, a boxer would win no doubt. I mean a real fight, not one where the boxer can only use his hands (although most of the time they probly will)...and besides, boxing doesn't have all of those goofy nicknames like "The Rock". While he is explaining what he is cooking for breakfast the boxer will have ko'd him quite a bit. Oh yea, and boxing is REAL.

06-24-2003, 09:28 PM	#32
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I disagree, Tokka. Like I've said, even in a "real" fight, the ONLY way a boxer would beat a wrestler is if the wrestler had no idea what he was doing. You think a wrestler would be dumb enough to actually stand there and let a boxer punch them in the face? The reason people think boxers are tougher than wrestlers is because boxing is a glamorized sport and wrestling is ignored except when the Olympics come around every four years. But that doesn't mean a boxer can beat a wrestler in a fight. A fistfight? Maybe, but again, only an idiot would stand there and try to trade punches. As I've said, I've been in a lot of fights, and nobody's connected with a punch on me in years. When someone swings at you, you take them down, neutralize them, and if you have to, break the arm or dislocate it. Wrestling taught me how to do that. You think your average boxer knows how to do that? I mean they might have the general idea, but do they know how to use leverage to gain an advantage over a larger opponent? Can they use their opponent's weight against them in keeping them off-balance? Can they not only block a punch, but keep the opponent from throwing another one? If I ever fought a boxer I'd hook his arm, take him down on the ground and dislocate his elbow, and right there I'd eliminate 90% of his offense. I really don't see how being able to punch hard gives someone any kind of advantage, especially when it's a LOT easier to take someone down in a hold than try and knock them out with a punch. And boxing is real? Depends on who the promoter is, and if you think boxing is always 100% legit, you haven't seen ANYTHING Don King's promoted in the last ten years.

06-25-2003, 06:48 AM	#33
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I remember the WWF actually had some boxing matches a few years back. I think Bradshaw beat a couple of professional boxers.