Why does NuMetal get such a bad rep? - Page 3

*plastroncafe* · 05-01-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pennydreadful

In terms of genre, I simply file them under "awesome".

*sdp* · 05-01-2015, 11:33 AM

I grew up with nu-metal in the early 2000's so there's my bias disclaimer but I don't really care for any form of metal anymore so I think I'm pretty objective about this.

Let's start off by informing non-fans how metalheads are the biggest elitist pricks out of any music genre which is why it's divided into a huge clusterf-ck of sub-genres. We have to remember that metal was pretty much a dead scene after the 80s killed it with all the glam and hair metal that killed it which gave way to new forms of hard rock and grunge as popular genres. In the 90s nu-metal started and this new mix of sounds was fresh and cool so it started getting more and more popular and from what I can tell most metal fans went along with it, it wasn't until the early 2000s that elitist metalheads started being nostalgic about "their" metal and started talking sh-t about nu-metal but even then they were only a minority. Of course by the early 2000's there was almost nothing new being added to the genre and just more and more "me too" bands coming out which flooded the genre with generic music which made people grow out of it and "Hardcore" started getting more and more popular and by this time it was now cool to hate on nu-metal and they were basically non-existent.

Is nu-metal really that bad though? The lack of guitar solo was never important to me so I didn't care, the music was catchy and had rhythm. The whole rap/rock hybrid is overstated, it was only ever used by some bands in the genre popularized by Limp Bizkit but most nu-metal bands didn't have any rap at all, in fact the whole "rap/metal" hybrid was more about the bass than the singer rapping. Many of the other complains are also generalizations or true only about the copycats and not what started the genre. As far as lyrics? Well yeah Korn had a breakthrough album with their s/t release and many of the lyrics had subtle nods to a bad childhood, it was groundbreaking and new but many bands went overboard with it. Nu-metal has plenty of stupid lyrics, but then again is it only nu-metal? I can't think of any sub-genre of metal where a majority of the lyrics isn't goofy sh-t when taken out of context. I think all the gimmicks bands started to use to sell their image is another factor why it's generally made fun off but other metal genres also 'surprise' have that too.

So yeah, the market was flooded by terrible nu-metal but there's plenty of great stuff and a great genre in its own right not to mention it revived the genre at a time that it was dead, I mean what were we supposed to listen to? Metallica hadn't made a great album since before I was born. As I liked heavier and heavier music I listened to plenty of other metal genres, Industrial, Black, speed, death, melodic, etc. and all those genres have the same problems that nu-metal has, only difference is none of them have ever been "mainstream" which is the reason nu-metal is hated, too popular for the genre. I'm not into metal like I was in my youth but I can still rock out to plenty of nu-metal without problems just as any other type of metal.

*Netkeeper* · 05-04-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

Nu-metal has plenty of stupid lyrics, but then again is it only nu-metal? I can't think of any sub-genre of metal where a majority of the lyrics isn't goofy sh-t when taken out of context.

Yup, this is why I usually don't talk **** about nu metal's lyrics. I listen to a lot of power metal ffs, I am in no position to complain about lyrics.

senpai · 05-17-2015, 12:36 AM

NuMetal gets a bad rep? But I thought everyone loved Linkin Park...

~~Leo656~~ · 05-17-2015, 12:39 AM

In the 10th grade! HAH!

senpai · 05-17-2015, 12:48 AM

Oh! Are you sureeee?

~~Leo656~~ · 05-17-2015, 12:52 AM

Pretty sure. Although it's been about 75 years since I was there.

I like "Shadow of the Day", though.

senpai · 05-17-2015, 12:57 AM

That one's good. I liked them a lot when I was in middle school. I was a hipster. I made sure everyone knew that I liked it first because I had the CD before anyone else. It started with my cousin showing me this video

and I flipped out. "I MUST HAVE THIS CD!" Geez...that AMV is ancient lol

*Redeemer* · 05-17-2015, 01:12 AM

Is Linking Park really considered new metal????
When I think of New Metal I am thinking of Breaking Benjamin

*pennydreadful* · 05-17-2015, 01:38 AM

Breaking Benjamin are more rock than metal; I've never really detected any hip-hop or rap influences in their work either.

*Netkeeper* · 05-17-2015, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by senpai

NuMetal gets a bad rep? But I thought everyone loved Linkin Park...

Not gonna lie, I cringed when I read that.

senpai · 05-17-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Not gonna lie, I cringed when I read that.

Nobody can tell when I am being sarcastic. It is truly a gift

*Wesley* · 05-17-2015, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Pretty sure. Although it's been about 75 years since I was there.

I like "Shadow of the Day", though.

I liked listening to Linkin Park years ago when I was a bit angst. I don't like them much anymore (there is too much angst in their lyrics most of the time and their lyrics are too bland), but I still like a few of their songs such as In The End and New Divide.

*pennydreadful* · 05-17-2015, 05:51 PM

I think we can all agree that they're painfully overused when it comes to AMVs. If I see one more character tribute video set to a Linkin Park track...

~~Leo656~~ · 05-17-2015, 05:53 PM

Yeah man. Least I use *good* music for my highlight reels.

Which are on my YouTube page.

Which is in my sig.

Which everyone should subscribe to.

joe-eyeball · 05-17-2015, 06:14 PM

Who needs Nu Metal when you can go back and listen to one of the originals that influenced a lot of these bands. Faith No More! They are a truly great representation of "that style" of music. None of these Nu Metal bands hold a candle to their talent and execution. Also, very cool that Faith No More is releasing their first studio album since 1997. It drops this Tuesday on the 19th. Hell yeah!

*sdp* · 05-17-2015, 06:37 PM

Why like TMNT when you can like the original comic of Daredevil which is the original and far better?

Anywho, I've only listened to the first two Linkin Park albums and at least those two records are the text book definition of what Nu-Metal is. I actually think those two records are really good however they were overplayed which is why the whole "LP sucks" exists. I've read their other records stray from the formula though but I don't know.

senpai · 05-17-2015, 06:56 PM

LP is very overused in AMVs. Though that one I shared was the first AMV I saw and the first LP song I ever heard. So it's special to me. I have no idea what LP is doing these days or if they even make music still. I seldom listen to the radio.

*Netkeeper* · 05-17-2015, 08:36 PM

First time I ever heard Linkin Park was to a Yugioh AMV, so I feel you there.

05-17-2015, 01:12 AM	#49
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05-17-2015, 01:38 AM	#50
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	Breaking Benjamin are more rock than metal; I've never really detected any hip-hop or rap influences in their work either. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

05-17-2015, 05:51 PM	#54
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	I think we can all agree that they're painfully overused when it comes to AMVs. If I see one more character tribute video set to a Linkin Park track... __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

05-17-2015, 08:36 PM	#59
Netkeeper tactical blackquill Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas, but not for much longer Posts: 3,645	First time I ever heard Linkin Park was to a Yugioh AMV, so I feel you there. __________________

05-01-2015, 11:33 AM	#42
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	I grew up with nu-metal in the early 2000's so there's my bias disclaimer but I don't really care for any form of metal anymore so I think I'm pretty objective about this. Let's start off by informing non-fans how metalheads are the biggest elitist pricks out of any music genre which is why it's divided into a huge clusterf-ck of sub-genres. We have to remember that metal was pretty much a dead scene after the 80s killed it with all the glam and hair metal that killed it which gave way to new forms of hard rock and grunge as popular genres. In the 90s nu-metal started and this new mix of sounds was fresh and cool so it started getting more and more popular and from what I can tell most metal fans went along with it, it wasn't until the early 2000s that elitist metalheads started being nostalgic about "their" metal and started talking sh-t about nu-metal but even then they were only a minority. Of course by the early 2000's there was almost nothing new being added to the genre and just more and more "me too" bands coming out which flooded the genre with generic music which made people grow out of it and "Hardcore" started getting more and more popular and by this time it was now cool to hate on nu-metal and they were basically non-existent. Is nu-metal really that bad though? The lack of guitar solo was never important to me so I didn't care, the music was catchy and had rhythm. The whole rap/rock hybrid is overstated, it was only ever used by some bands in the genre popularized by Limp Bizkit but most nu-metal bands didn't have any rap at all, in fact the whole "rap/metal" hybrid was more about the bass than the singer rapping. Many of the other complains are also generalizations or true only about the copycats and not what started the genre. As far as lyrics? Well yeah Korn had a breakthrough album with their s/t release and many of the lyrics had subtle nods to a bad childhood, it was groundbreaking and new but many bands went overboard with it. Nu-metal has plenty of stupid lyrics, but then again is it only nu-metal? I can't think of any sub-genre of metal where a majority of the lyrics isn't goofy sh-t when taken out of context. I think all the gimmicks bands started to use to sell their image is another factor why it's generally made fun off but other metal genres also 'surprise' have that too. So yeah, the market was flooded by terrible nu-metal but there's plenty of great stuff and a great genre in its own right not to mention it revived the genre at a time that it was dead, I mean what were we supposed to listen to? Metallica hadn't made a great album since before I was born. As I liked heavier and heavier music I listened to plenty of other metal genres, Industrial, Black, speed, death, melodic, etc. and all those genres have the same problems that nu-metal has, only difference is none of them have ever been "mainstream" which is the reason nu-metal is hated, too popular for the genre. I'm not into metal like I was in my youth but I can still rock out to plenty of nu-metal without problems just as any other type of metal.

05-17-2015, 12:36 AM	#44
senpai Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: new york sewers yo! Posts: 673	NuMetal gets a bad rep? But I thought everyone loved Linkin Park...

05-17-2015, 12:39 AM	#45
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	In the 10th grade! HAH!

05-17-2015, 12:48 AM	#46
senpai Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: new york sewers yo! Posts: 673	Oh! Are you sureeee?

05-17-2015, 12:52 AM	#47
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Pretty sure. Although it's been about 75 years since I was there. I like "Shadow of the Day", though.

05-17-2015, 12:57 AM	#48
senpai Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: new york sewers yo! Posts: 673	That one's good. I liked them a lot when I was in middle school. I was a hipster. I made sure everyone knew that I liked it first because I had the CD before anyone else. It started with my cousin showing me this video and I flipped out. "I MUST HAVE THIS CD!" Geez...that AMV is ancient lol

05-17-2015, 05:53 PM	#55
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah man. Least I use good music for my highlight reels. Which are on my YouTube page. Which is in my sig. Which everyone should subscribe to.

05-17-2015, 06:14 PM	#56
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	Who needs Nu Metal when you can go back and listen to one of the originals that influenced a lot of these bands. Faith No More! They are a truly great representation of "that style" of music. None of these Nu Metal bands hold a candle to their talent and execution. Also, very cool that Faith No More is releasing their first studio album since 1997. It drops this Tuesday on the 19th. Hell yeah!

05-17-2015, 06:37 PM	#57
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Why like TMNT when you can like the original comic of Daredevil which is the original and far better? Anywho, I've only listened to the first two Linkin Park albums and at least those two records are the text book definition of what Nu-Metal is. I actually think those two records are really good however they were overplayed which is why the whole "LP sucks" exists. I've read their other records stray from the formula though but I don't know.

05-17-2015, 06:56 PM	#58
senpai Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: new york sewers yo! Posts: 673	LP is very overused in AMVs. Though that one I shared was the first AMV I saw and the first LP song I ever heard. So it's special to me. I have no idea what LP is doing these days or if they even make music still. I seldom listen to the radio.