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Burning In H2O · 06-25-2003, 12:09 PM

I would be bored to death with so much seriousness in a movie!

*That Matt Guy* · 06-25-2003, 12:10 PM

Whats wrong with serious films?

**Karpo_007** · 06-25-2003, 12:11 PM

That scene was well made, but Im talking about the battle between Naboo forces and Trade federation for example. The first DeathStar battle looks much more "real" than the CGI ones.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 06-25-2003, 12:14 PM

I'll admit that the quality of the CG in the last scene varies from great to bad, but it certainly doesn't ruin the movie for me. The aliens in the cantina in ANH don't hold up to close inspection, but I think it's a great scene nevertheless.

Burning In H2O · 06-25-2003, 12:18 PM

The problem about serious movies is that they are boring. I wouldn't pay for somthing that you could se going on in school. besides food fights, but thats off topic.

**Karpo_007** · 06-25-2003, 01:02 PM

Someone sdhould remove the extra posts... I didn't think for a second that Terminator and Batman are boring, but each his own.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 06-25-2003, 01:38 PM

Because Terminator is an action movie.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-25-2003, 10:34 PM

I liked the novelizations of Empire and Jedi, mostly because they refer to a subplot about Vader's hatred of Emperor palpatine and his plans to one day kill him and take his place. They only mentioned it briefly in the movies.

The Episode I novel is great for that reason, also, they go very much into the history of the Sith and the origins of the Sith and all that stuff. Maybe some people who didn't like Episodes I and II would like the novelizations better. A lot of stuff that was glossed over in the films is addressed in great detail, like Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn's disagreements over Anakin. Watching the movie I barely even knew they were disagreeing so harshly, but in the novel of Episode I they're barely even speaking to each other at one point because of it. I thought it gave the overall story a lot of depth.

**Karpo_007** · 06-26-2003, 04:19 AM

Hmm, It could be worth Looking into, but Lucas himself has said that only the movies are part of the Canon, so all the events that happened inthe novelization might not have happened in the future episodes.

Knuckles · 06-26-2003, 09:23 PM

I have a few comments to add since it's been a while since I posted on this thread.

Regarding my last post, no, it wasn't sarcastic, it was my opinion. I tend to get into big SW arguments, as so far the only one I have heard used that I take seriously was the one Karpo put forth. And I have only heard one person use that argument before, someone whose opinion on SW I value. Regarding "dark" and "light" movies, I tend to view both as equally important in SW. ANH was lighter, because it was the first part of the trilogy, and introduces a lot of stuff, and has a victory at the end. ESB, in classic trilogy form (like the second act of a three act play) ends in tragedy and is overall darker, as it needs to be. ROTJ is lighter because it's the final part and ends in a huge victory, so it needs to be light for the most part. I think the moods of the movies serve their purpose. The classic trilogy was great because it drew so much from mythology (classic themes like good vs. evil, light over dark, the hero's journey, saving a princess, redemption, life, death, and rebirth--the list goes on) and George Lucas did that intentionally, as he learned much from Joseph Campbell's work (he was a prominent mythology professor for those who don't know). He also incorporated things from such Kurosawa films as "The Seven Samurai." The new ones are fine for me for what they are, (as I explained in my first post on this topic) but I can see where people criticize them. I tend to not criticize movies too extensively, because it takes away from my enjoyment of movies in general if I do. Star Wars happens to have pretty much everything I look for in a movie or fictional work for that matter, so any complaints I have about any of it I don't put too much weight on. I like SW, I have been entertained by every movie in the series, so it's good for me. I actually like cheesy stuff, btw, (even though I think SW is not so cheesy) and often get bored to tears during oscar-winners. You got lightsabers, you got the Force, you got epic battles and entertaining characters--that alone is enough for me, personally. Of course the movies could be improved, but so could everything--there's no perfect movie after all, and sure they could have been improved in some ways rather easily. But they weren't. Oh well. I'm still entertained every time I watch.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-26-2003, 11:01 PM

Well I for one do not know how old the rest of you are, but the new Trilogy can't hold a candle to the Old Trilogy. For those my age (30 and above) we remember the anticipation of each movie and we were never disappointed by the final results. With this Prequel Trilogy we get high expectations but it's disappointing to see that they are just not up to snuff with the quality of the old trilogy. I prefer Ewoks over Jar Jar Binks any day.

Knuckles · 06-27-2003, 03:57 AM

Like I said earlier, a lot of people had high expectations that simply could not be met for the prequels. I understand the level of disappointment when you've waited 16 years for another installment to come out, (my brother is of that generation) but no movies could match peoples' high expectations. Besides, and Lucas had said this a number of times, he makes the movies for kids--not the 30-somethings who grew up with the original. You can see it in the writing and in some of the character choices, (like the ill-conceived Jar Jar Binks). Lucas is not in it to get the 35-year-old fans to endlessly praise him for hours on end, he's in it to get the minute-long compliment from a little kid who was entertained by the movies. He basically presents the movies like the old Saturday afternoon serials of yesteryear, which many a youngun watched in those days. This is what it is, good or bad, but he wasn't looking to top or meet the originals.

**Karpo_007** · 06-27-2003, 04:55 AM

True, Noew Lucas is making family movies, but original trilogy were not so child orientated. I guess that is the biggest thing why most fans got disapointed. Episode 2 does a lot better than epiosode 1, so Episode 3 could very well be the best of new episodes.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-27-2003, 09:22 PM

If the script summary I read was accurate, it definitely will be.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 06-27-2003, 10:14 PM

Yeah. People said that when they read script summaries for Episodes 1 and 2, too.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-27-2003, 10:40 PM

And some of us liked I and II. The script summary I read for II (which I read in July 2001 on some dude's website who apparently worked for Lucas in some capacity) was nearly identical to the final product that was Episode II, right down to a few already-written bits of dialog, and I wasn't disappointed. That said, the script summary I read for III (which was very rough and brief, covering only the main plot events) left me with very high hopes for III.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 06-28-2003, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

If the script summary I read was accurate, it definitely will be.

Where was this script summary that you speak of?

~~Leo656~~ · 06-28-2003, 03:04 PM

Some website I found back in 2000 (I think it was then, I'd just graduated H.S. and had a lotta free time), I was looking for Star Wars movie spoilers, did a Google search, and found this site by a guy who said he worked on the sets of the movies. I forget the name of the site, sadly, or else I'd go back and read up on Episode III. All I know is that almost everything I read about II ended up in the movie. Supposedly Lucas wanted some things about the upcoming movies to be released to the public so he could listen to feedback from the fans, to avoid a backlash similar to that which accompanied Episode I. Almost all the fan comments I read on the site's feedback forum were positive, so I really don't see how the reaction to Episode II was as negative as it ended up being, other than the possibility that the acting really was mediocre enough to bring the whole script down. ((shrugs))

donatedo · 11-09-2003, 04:29 PM

What did you guys think of the first chapter. I think the animation is great and I dig t art, especially yoda

*Voltron* · 11-09-2003, 04:37 PM

It was great. Heh, I did 90 mph to get home to see it in time. It's good to see that Tartakovsky has dropped that "Samurai Jack" sloppy artistic art style to produce this.

06-25-2003, 12:09 PM	#121
Burning In H2O Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: at the bar Posts: 15	I would be bored to death with so much seriousness in a movie! __________________ If a bus station is where a bus stops, and a train station is where a train stops, why do I have a work station on my desk?

06-25-2003, 12:14 PM	#124
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	I'll admit that the quality of the CG in the last scene varies from great to bad, but it certainly doesn't ruin the movie for me. The aliens in the cantina in ANH don't hold up to close inspection, but I think it's a great scene nevertheless. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

06-25-2003, 12:18 PM	#125
Burning In H2O Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: at the bar Posts: 15	The problem about serious movies is that they are boring. I wouldn't pay for somthing that you could se going on in school. besides food fights, but thats off topic. __________________ If a bus station is where a bus stops, and a train station is where a train stops, why do I have a work station on my desk?

06-25-2003, 01:38 PM	#127
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	Because Terminator is an action movie. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

06-26-2003, 11:01 PM	#131
Ghidorah2000 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monster Island Posts: 189	Well I for one do not know how old the rest of you are, but the new Trilogy can't hold a candle to the Old Trilogy. For those my age (30 and above) we remember the anticipation of each movie and we were never disappointed by the final results. With this Prequel Trilogy we get high expectations but it's disappointing to see that they are just not up to snuff with the quality of the old trilogy. I prefer Ewoks over Jar Jar Binks any day. __________________ Tom Servo: It's just a simple matter of "What the h* is going on?!"**

06-25-2003, 12:10 PM	#122
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Whats wrong with serious films?

06-25-2003, 12:11 PM	#123
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	That scene was well made, but Im talking about the battle between Naboo forces and Trade federation for example. The first DeathStar battle looks much more "real" than the CGI ones.

06-25-2003, 01:02 PM	#126
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Someone sdhould remove the extra posts... I didn't think for a second that Terminator and Batman are boring, but each his own.

06-25-2003, 10:34 PM	#128
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I liked the novelizations of Empire and Jedi, mostly because they refer to a subplot about Vader's hatred of Emperor palpatine and his plans to one day kill him and take his place. They only mentioned it briefly in the movies. The Episode I novel is great for that reason, also, they go very much into the history of the Sith and the origins of the Sith and all that stuff. Maybe some people who didn't like Episodes I and II would like the novelizations better. A lot of stuff that was glossed over in the films is addressed in great detail, like Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn's disagreements over Anakin. Watching the movie I barely even knew they were disagreeing so harshly, but in the novel of Episode I they're barely even speaking to each other at one point because of it. I thought it gave the overall story a lot of depth.

06-26-2003, 04:19 AM	#129
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Hmm, It could be worth Looking into, but Lucas himself has said that only the movies are part of the Canon, so all the events that happened inthe novelization might not have happened in the future episodes.

06-26-2003, 09:23 PM	#130
Knuckles Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 260	I have a few comments to add since it's been a while since I posted on this thread. Regarding my last post, no, it wasn't sarcastic, it was my opinion. I tend to get into big SW arguments, as so far the only one I have heard used that I take seriously was the one Karpo put forth. And I have only heard one person use that argument before, someone whose opinion on SW I value. Regarding "dark" and "light" movies, I tend to view both as equally important in SW. ANH was lighter, because it was the first part of the trilogy, and introduces a lot of stuff, and has a victory at the end. ESB, in classic trilogy form (like the second act of a three act play) ends in tragedy and is overall darker, as it needs to be. ROTJ is lighter because it's the final part and ends in a huge victory, so it needs to be light for the most part. I think the moods of the movies serve their purpose. The classic trilogy was great because it drew so much from mythology (classic themes like good vs. evil, light over dark, the hero's journey, saving a princess, redemption, life, death, and rebirth--the list goes on) and George Lucas did that intentionally, as he learned much from Joseph Campbell's work (he was a prominent mythology professor for those who don't know). He also incorporated things from such Kurosawa films as "The Seven Samurai." The new ones are fine for me for what they are, (as I explained in my first post on this topic) but I can see where people criticize them. I tend to not criticize movies too extensively, because it takes away from my enjoyment of movies in general if I do. Star Wars happens to have pretty much everything I look for in a movie or fictional work for that matter, so any complaints I have about any of it I don't put too much weight on. I like SW, I have been entertained by every movie in the series, so it's good for me. I actually like cheesy stuff, btw, (even though I think SW is not so cheesy) and often get bored to tears during oscar-winners. You got lightsabers, you got the Force, you got epic battles and entertaining characters--that alone is enough for me, personally. Of course the movies could be improved, but so could everything--there's no perfect movie after all, and sure they could have been improved in some ways rather easily. But they weren't. Oh well. I'm still entertained every time I watch.

06-27-2003, 03:57 AM	#132
Knuckles Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 260	Like I said earlier, a lot of people had high expectations that simply could not be met for the prequels. I understand the level of disappointment when you've waited 16 years for another installment to come out, (my brother is of that generation) but no movies could match peoples' high expectations. Besides, and Lucas had said this a number of times, he makes the movies for kids--not the 30-somethings who grew up with the original. You can see it in the writing and in some of the character choices, (like the ill-conceived Jar Jar Binks). Lucas is not in it to get the 35-year-old fans to endlessly praise him for hours on end, he's in it to get the minute-long compliment from a little kid who was entertained by the movies. He basically presents the movies like the old Saturday afternoon serials of yesteryear, which many a youngun watched in those days. This is what it is, good or bad, but he wasn't looking to top or meet the originals.

06-27-2003, 04:55 AM	#133
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	True, Noew Lucas is making family movies, but original trilogy were not so child orientated. I guess that is the biggest thing why most fans got disapointed. Episode 2 does a lot better than epiosode 1, so Episode 3 could very well be the best of new episodes.

06-27-2003, 09:22 PM	#134
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	If the script summary I read was accurate, it definitely will be.

06-27-2003, 10:14 PM	#135
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	Yeah. People said that when they read script summaries for Episodes 1 and 2, too. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

06-27-2003, 10:40 PM	#136
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	And some of us liked I and II. The script summary I read for II (which I read in July 2001 on some dude's website who apparently worked for Lucas in some capacity) was nearly identical to the final product that was Episode II, right down to a few already-written bits of dialog, and I wasn't disappointed. That said, the script summary I read for III (which was very rough and brief, covering only the main plot events) left me with very high hopes for III.

06-28-2003, 03:04 PM	#138
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Some website I found back in 2000 (I think it was then, I'd just graduated H.S. and had a lotta free time), I was looking for Star Wars movie spoilers, did a Google search, and found this site by a guy who said he worked on the sets of the movies. I forget the name of the site, sadly, or else I'd go back and read up on Episode III. All I know is that almost everything I read about II ended up in the movie. Supposedly Lucas wanted some things about the upcoming movies to be released to the public so he could listen to feedback from the fans, to avoid a backlash similar to that which accompanied Episode I. Almost all the fan comments I read on the site's feedback forum were positive, so I really don't see how the reaction to Episode II was as negative as it ended up being, other than the possibility that the acting really was mediocre enough to bring the whole script down. ((shrugs))

11-09-2003, 04:29 PM	#139
donatedo Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 44	What did you guys think of the first chapter. I think the animation is great and I dig t art, especially yoda __________________ Vice President of the Marvel Fan Clubs

11-09-2003, 04:37 PM	#140
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	It was great. Heh, I did 90 mph to get home to see it in time. It's good to see that Tartakovsky has dropped that "Samurai Jack" sloppy artistic art style to produce this.