Movies without racially diverse casts

[THGhost]

I got into an argument with someone the other day. We were discussing the fact that Mad Max: Fury Road has a distinct lack of "non-white" characters.
They claim that any film that doesn't have a racially diverse cast, it is the filmmakers behind it that are responsible for being racist.
This person, from what I could tell, was a female African-American feminist, so their opinion may be a little bias. But their words did shock me slightly.

If a film doesn't have a racially diverse cast, everyone involved with it is instantly classed as a racist? I simply cannot understand this statement.

They also say that any film set in a post-apocalyptic future should abide by the laws of today, i.e. racial equality and therefore cast multiple "non-white" actors in its leading roles.
Did I read this right? We don't live in a post-apocalyptic future. Films set in them are allowed to make up their own laws and filmmakers are allowed to cast whoever they want, regardless of their race.
Besides, there are at least 3 "non-white" actors in Mad Max: Fury Road. Is that not enough for them? I pointed out to them that if the entire cast weren't white or if it was equal, people would still want it to be different. They completely disagreed with me on that. Lunacy.

Please don't any of you intemperate what I'm saying the wrong way. I am in no way a racist.

[Prowler]

First of all, I can see this thread heading to the Disintegrator Unit fast.

Now as for my opinion on the subject matter, I don't really pay attention to this kind of stuff. Why would I keep track of how many people of each ethnic background star in a movie? And why would every movie need to have every ethic group, gender, sexual orientation, etc. represented in it? Obviously, depending on the plot and the setting, it makes sense for certain movies to have more people of a certain ethnic background than others, since it would make it more accurate. But a movie where there's no need for such thing? Let whoever writes it decide for themselves. As for the audience, are people really that shallow to the point of not being able to enjoy a movie because it lacks people of their own ethnic background in it? Wouldn't it be better for it to lack one than have one done wrong or stereotypical?

And that acquaintance of yours is crazy. Is that all it takes for her to label someone as a racist? Please.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

You can tell if a person is racist if s/he keeps a checklist of all the different races in a movie, and then complains when it isn't up to "code".

[Mew]

So? If a movie has an all white cast, so be it. Same with any other race. Just complaining about it doesn't help. I don't think it's a problem.

[THGhost]

Thank God, I thought I was going insane and was the only one who thinks it's weird to take note of how many different races a movie's cast has. I can rest easy now knowing that this person just believes what they believe a little too heavily.

Do you see people complaining that 12 Years A Slave didn't have enough white actors in it? No, no you do not. Whenever I see anyone bring this sort of thing up and claim that it's racist, it only makes them look racist for bringing it up, or at least to me it does.

Originally Posted by Prowler

First of all, I can see this thread heading to the Disintegrator Unit fast.

Yeah, I was afraid of this. My apologies if I have offended anyone with this topic. I just wanted to hear other people's opinion on the matter.

Originally Posted by Prowler

are people really that shallow to the point of not being able to enjoy a movie because it lacks people of their own ethnic background in it? Wouldn't it be better for it to lack one than have one done wrong or stereotypical?

And that acquaintance of yours is crazy. Is that all it takes for her to label someone as a racist? Please.

I wish I'd have thought of these questions before they blocked me.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

You can tell if a person is racist if s/he keeps a checklist of all the different races in a movie, and then complains when it isn't up to "code".

This is how I feel about it. But of course there are always exceptions & sometimes culture is exclusionary.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

You can tell if a person is racist if s/he keeps a checklist of all the different races in a movie, and then complains when it isn't up to "code".

Originally Posted by Powder

This is how I feel about it. But of course there are always exceptions & sometimes culture is exclusionary.

Yes to all of this.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Thank God, I thought I was going insane and was the only one who thinks it's weird to take note of how many different races a movie's cast has. I can rest easy now knowing that this person just believes what they believe a little too heavily.

Do you see people complaining that 12 Years A Slave didn't have enough white actors in it? No, no you do not. Whenever I see anyone bring this sort of thing up and claim that it's racist, it only makes them look racist for bringing it up, or at least to me it does.



Yeah, I was afraid of this. My apologies if I have offended anyone with this topic. I just wanted to hear other people's opinion on the matter.



I wish I'd have thought of these questions before they blocked me.

Your thread isn't offensive at all. What I meant is, threads about controversial things such as religion, politics, race, etc. aren't allowed here.

Well arguing in real life when you have to think quick is harder than arguing behind a keyboard when you have time to think and formulate your thoughts. . And if they shushed/blocked you, it's even harder.

[THGhost]

I got what I needed, guys. Thanks. Feel free to lock this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

In before it shuts down.

The only movie series I really enjoy that I wish had a more diverse cast would be "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit". Still great films, but man... between all those dwarves, elves, hobbits, AND men EVERY single one of them is white?

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

In before it shuts down.

The only movie series I really enjoy that I wish had a more diverse cast would be "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit". Still great films, but man... between all those dwarves, elves, hobbits, AND men EVERY single one of them is white?

It' was written in the first half of the 20th century and heavily inspired by folk culture and fantasy of English and Germanic mythology. It makes perfect sense that all characters are white, just like in the game Witcher, which is based on Slavic mythology, everyone is white.

[THGhost]

It turns out this person isn't the only one who believes there's too many white characters in Fury Road - http://inthesetimes.com/article/1798...calyptic-films

Guess there's no pleasing some people. Since when did this all become such a huge issue?

[Coola Yagami]

Well.... it IS a post-apacolyptic future.... maybe it just so happens that the 4 or 5 survivors just happen to be white/black/whatever. Who really cares?

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Well.... it IS a post-apacolyptic future.... maybe it just so happens that the 4 or 5 survivors just happen to be white/black/whatever. Who really cares?

I mentioned that to them and they said that there is "no canonical reason" for the lack of "non-white" characters in the main cast and that "movies don't exist in a vacuum" and that you "can't remove it from the motivations of the people responsible for making it". I just gave up after that, even though I agree with the vacuum part.

[Venom]

Feel free to keep discussing the topic, I'm not shutting it down unless it goes to hell in a hand basket.

This far, folks have been civil and actually discussed things.

Carry on.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Prowler

It' was written in the first half of the 20th century and heavily inspired by folk culture and fantasy of English and Germanic mythology. It makes perfect sense that all characters are white, just like in the game Witcher, which is based on Slavic mythology, everyone is white.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense; the books were written by the fullblooded English gentleman Tolkien in the 50's, about past European cultures.

The MOVIES are 21st century adaptations. If one of the Fantastic Four can be black; if Heimdall can be black; if many other characters can be changed to be racial minorities, why didn't Jackson take that opportunity?

I'm not hating on him for it; I just wish he had thought outside the Tolkien box on this issue a little more.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Well.... it IS a post-apacolyptic future.... maybe it just so happens that the 4 or 5 survivors just happen to be white/black/whatever. Who really cares?

Well apparently some people do care. I guess you shouldn't be surprised considering that people complain about the oddest things in tv shows, movies and cartoons. So I guess it's expected that some people notice such patterns about ethnic diversity(or the lack of) in the media.

Originally Posted by THGhost

I mentioned that to them and they said that there is "no canonical reason" for the lack of "non-white" characters in the main cast and that "movies don't exist in a vacuum" and that you "can't remove it from the motivations of the people responsible for making it". I just gave up after that, even though I agree with the vacuum part.

Well, I have not watched the movie, so I have no idea what it's like or if there's anything in the movie that could raise some eyebrows regarding racism, but maybe the best actors they could cast happened to be mostly white or something?

And you said the most recent Mad max movie has 3 non-white characters, so why is that not enough for some people? I mean, how many characters are there in the movie exactly?

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense; the books were written by the fullblooded English gentleman Tolkien in the 50's, about past European cultures.

The MOVIES are 21st century adaptations. If one of the Fantastic Four can be black; if Heimdall can be black; if many other characters can be changed to be racial minorities, why didn't Jackson take that opportunity?

I'm not hating on him for it; I just wish he had thought outside the Tolkien box on this issue a little more.

And how does them being 21st century adaptations counter anything I've said? It's not set in a racially diverse place like the USA or Brazil, but in fantasy world inspired by ancient Britain. So if they wanted to be accurate what sense would it be to have non-white people walking around Middle Earth?

And what do the Fantastic Four have to do with The Lord of the Rings? Completely different pieces of work. The Fantastic Four don't live in a fantasy world based on ancient European mythology.

And changing an established character's ethnic background is not the solution. If they want to diversify the cast then make new characters, simple. Don't change already established ones.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense; the books were written by the fullblooded English gentleman Tolkien in the 50's, about past European cultures.

The MOVIES are 21st century adaptations. If one of the Fantastic Four can be black; if Heimdall can be black; if many other characters can be changed to be racial minorities, why didn't Jackson take that opportunity?

I'm not hating on him for it; I just wish he had thought outside the Tolkien box on this issue a little more.

While I agree that is rather odd that he didn't go for it, can you imagine the backlash from fans if their favourite character became black or anything other than their original white race? "He's white in the books so why is he black in the movies? Wah wah wah!"

Originally Posted by Prowler

And you said the most recent Mad max movie has 3 non-white characters, so why is that not enough for some people? I mean, how many characters are there in the movie exactly?

I asked if 3 was enough and they said that there are "more than three brown or black people in Australia" - where the film is set.

As for how many characters there are, there's quite a lot - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392190/fullcredits/

Originally Posted by Prowler

And what do the Fantastic Four have to do with The Lord of the Rings? Completely different pieces of work. The Fantastic Four don't live in a fantasy world based on ancient European mythology.

I believe they meant that Johnny Storm has been cast with a black actor for the upcoming reboot, when his character has always been white (not sure about "always", I don't read the F4 comics).

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by THGhost

While I agree that is rather odd that he didn't go for it, can you imagine the backlash from fans if their favourite character became black or anything other than their original white race? "He's white in the books so why is he black in the movies? Wah wah wah!"



I asked if 3 was enough and they said that there are "more than three brown or black people in Australia" - where the film is set.

As for how many characters there are, there's quite a lot - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392190/fullcredits/

Ye, but how many of those characters are actually relevant to the plot?

As for Australia's demographics, wouldn't it be more logical to have more people of Aboriginal origin than of African origin in a piece of fiction set in that country? Or maybe even Asians?

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Ye, but how many of those characters are actually relevant to the plot?

I'd say about 6 or 7. I'd have to see the film again to be sure.

Originally Posted by Prowler

As for Australia's demographics, wouldn't it be more logical to have more people of Aboriginal origin than of African origin in a piece of fiction set in that country? Or maybe even Asians?

I'd say so, yes. Clearly the person I talked to hadn't given it enough thought.