List your LEAST favorite incarnation of each character - Page 4

**Jester** · 06-23-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

2007 Leo, on the other hand, was a self-important, arrogant jerk who apparently didn't see the hypocrisy inherent in calling Raph out for his vigilantism when he himself had been playing "Ghost of the Jungle" for OVER A YEAR!

I completely missed that! Great point.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-23-2015, 10:42 PM

He is better, sucker-punches notwithstanding.

When you're better than other people there's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing it out, so long as it's true. It's obnoxious but in no way illegal.

*Bry* · 06-23-2015, 10:59 PM

Well, in fairness, Leo was only in Central America because Splinter sent him away. Might as well help people out if you're stuck there anyway.

Though the bigger question has always been... what was Leo's leadership lesson supposed to be there, anyway? The best theory is Splinter sent him away just to see how long it'd take him to say "hey, **** this noise" and come right back. Can't be a leader if you're just following every order yourself, right?

~~Leo656~~ · 06-23-2015, 11:07 PM

"The truth is, my sons...

...the little prick always got on my nerves. I was hoping he'd stay there. I've been sick of this ninja thing for years. I'm like 150 in rat years... I want to sit around on the couch, take my glaucoma medicine, and watch Jerry Springer. But that guy... ALWAYS with the 'practice'. ALWAYS with the 'training'. I mean, take a day off once in a while! So I figured I'd send him down there, and the rest of us could finally f***ing RELAX!"

.... I could see it. Splinter's a jerk, sometimes.

*Bry* · 06-23-2015, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

.... I could see it. Splinter's a jerk, sometimes.

HA.

There's been precedent from day one, too.

"Master... we've succeeded. We've killed Oroku Saki and avenged your Master Yoshi."
"Ahh... Thank you, my sons. I feel at peace."
"So, uh... what do we do now? We trained all our lives for this. What's our purpose now that we've achieved our goal?"
"...yeah, kinda not my problem anymore, kids. Get caught up in a cycle of vengeance as a direct result of my vendetta, I guess? Doesn't really matter to me. Splinter out!!"

~~Leo656~~ · 06-23-2015, 11:16 PM

"You plan things badly, Sensei."
"I leave a thin trail of piss everywhere that I walk! I have more important things to worry about, dammit! You want a plan? 'Plan' on grabbing a mop and cleaning up this floor, you impudent little sh*t!"
"....Psst... you guys realize there's Four of Us and One of Him...?"
"Yeah, really... explain exactly who's 'In Charge' around here, and why?"

Werecat · 06-23-2015, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I thought "creeper" was a synonym for "pervert".

Some people can't afford a thesaurus or the time it takes to google it.

Oh and my least favorite character in whatever was
Leo in IDW, MARY SUE MARY SUE!
Leo in 4kids, MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE!
If I say Mary Sue three times I summon the rabid Leo fans. I feel extra naughty today.

TMNT Fastforward and Back to the Sewers has to be the worst characters ever, they are just stereotypical, weak characters.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 06-23-2015, 11:16 PM

That's the best theory? I've seen better. The best I've come up with was Splinter teaching him self-reliance and survival skills, and probably some confidence, too. Seems to have backfired, though- Leo missed the point and went WAY overboard.

*pennydreadful* · 06-23-2015, 11:44 PM

Well, Leo is a bit of a perfectionist - he gets very absorbed in mastering a specific skill and can sometimes lose focus on the bigger picture (ie, why he was learning the skill in the first place and how it fits in with the rest of his skillset).

Like in "The Shredder Strikes - Part 1" in the 2k3 series, where he gets so focused on perfecting his skill with the katana that he forgets a true ninja can make anything an effective weapon; that there are no superior weapons, only superior ninja.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-23-2015, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Well, Leo is a bit of a perfectionist - he gets very absorbed in mastering a specific skill and can sometimes lose focus on the bigger picture (ie, why he was learning the skill in the first place and how it fits in with the rest of his skillset).

Leonardo is Axl Rose.

precision · 06-24-2015, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Werecat

Some people can't afford a thesaurus or the time it takes to google it.

Oh and my least favorite character in whatever was
Leo in IDW, MARY SUE MARY SUE!
Leo in 4kids, MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE!
If I say Mary Sue three times I summon the rabid Leo fans. I feel extra naughty today.

TMNT Fastforward and Back to the Sewers has to be the worst characters ever, they are just stereotypical, weak characters.

My theory with Leonardo fans is that they're a first born child or the only child in the family.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 06-24-2015, 12:54 AM

If that were true, I'd be a Leo fan. But I'm not, and I'm the only child in my family. So's my hubby, and he's not a Leo fan either (Sorry, Leo656) We're Mikey and Raph fans, respectively....

*Powder* · 06-24-2015, 12:59 AM

You misunderstand. They're not saying most "only child" kids are Leo fans but rather than most Leo fans may be "only child" kids. I'm a Leo fanboy & an only child, so I'm curious to what their thought behind that theory is. The reliability of independence, maybe?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 06-24-2015, 01:10 AM

No, I didn't misunderstand, but the idea that only a certain "type" of person would be a Leo fan doesn't follow. IE, if Leo fans are either first-born or only kids, then I should be one, right? Because I'm independent, mature (don't laugh- I've been hanging with adults since I was 6), and reliable-but Leo is my LEAST favorite of the turtles, because I find those traits boring in a character. In spite of traits in common, I don't identify with him AT ALL, because he's nothing like me in outlook. But by that logic, I SHOULD identify with him. Maybe some Leo fans identify with that, but I wouldn't say that's THE reason they do.

Also: Technically my hubby's not an "only" child, but the age gap with his brother is so wide he might as well be. Yet he's a Raph fan.

Ceres · 06-24-2015, 02:47 AM

April O´Neil: NICK(without much thinking this version is the most annoying incarnation of this character ever.)

Casey Jones: NICK(Just no...ugh, the heck with the adults getting mashed to teenagers stuff D

Michelangelo: NICK(stupid, annoying to no end)

Baxter: Fred Wolf Cartoon(i like the black version more, my favourite would be the IDW incarnation of good ole Baxter)

Leonardo: FW Cartoon

Donatello: 4Kids

Raphael: 4kids

Splinter: NICK(totally unlikable in my opinion)

Bebop: NICK(god they destroyed this character with this skinny stupid loud mouthed hip-hop wannabe, also his voice is utterly frustrating to listen to)

Rocksteady: a tie between NICK and IDW, can't decide which one is worse.

Shredder: 4Kids, Next Mutation and NICK(yeah again i know, i am kind of biased against this cartoon incarnation) Utrom Shredder was the worst of all, and Ch´rell just annoying(the other Utroms were not better, i liked their appearance in IDW far more)

Kraang: with expection of KSP and Prime all these little critters for having no own personality at all.

Leatherhead: FW Cartoon and NICK(i hated his personality in the OT cartoon and kind of was disappointed that the Nick version made him into a good guy.)

*Candy Kappa* · 06-24-2015, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Well, Leo is a bit of a perfectionist - he gets very absorbed in mastering a specific skill and can sometimes lose focus on the bigger picture (ie, why he was learning the skill in the first place and how it fits in with the rest of his skillset).

Like in "The Shredder Strikes - Part 1" in the 2k3 series, where he gets so focused on perfecting his skill with the katana that he forgets a true ninja can make anything an effective weapon; that there are no superior weapons, only superior ninja.

I loved the talk that no weapon is superior, and it's all about the person using it. It spoke to me in a deeper level when reading all the "katana vs any sword" debacle that's on the Internet.

The katana have been so extremely glorified by westerners it's hilarious to see how much they defend its "honor".

*Ninturtle* · 06-24-2015, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EmpressOfShadows

Leatherhead: FW Cartoon and NICK(i hated his personality in the OT cartoon and kind of was disappointed that the Nick version made him into a good guy.)

Why wouldn't Nick make him into a good guy ? Literally ever other version of him besides the FW show(Mirage and 4 kids) has made him a good guy so why shouldn't Nick make him a good guy when the only bad guy version the crappy OT version.

Ceres · 06-24-2015, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninturtle

Why wouldn't Nick make him into a good guy ? Literally ever other version of him besides the FW show(Mirage and 4 kids) has made him a good guy so why shouldn't Nick make him a good guy when the only bad guy version the crappy OT version.

Really? Well i thought he was an evil guy in nearly all incarnations but i haven't seen much of 4kids or mirage after all so i just got these two to consider.

*neatoman* · 06-24-2015, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EmpressOfShadows

Really? Well i thought he was an evil guy in nearly all incarnations but i haven't seen much of 4kids or mirage after all so i just got these two to consider.

Oh wow! Yeah the FW cartoon has quite a lot of deviations from the comics, and despite it's popularity it's quite different from what is being made these days.

Ceres · 06-24-2015, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Oh wow! Yeah the FW cartoon has quite a lot of deviations from the comics, and despite it's popularity it's quite different from what is being made these days.

Well i still like the OT cartoon

. It just surprised me that Leatherhead was depicted as a good guy in the other incarnations.

06-23-2015, 10:59 PM	#63
Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	Well, in fairness, Leo was only in Central America because Splinter sent him away. Might as well help people out if you're stuck there anyway. Though the bigger question has always been... what was Leo's leadership lesson supposed to be there, anyway? The best theory is Splinter sent him away just to see how long it'd take him to say "hey, **** this noise" and come right back. Can't be a leader if you're just following every order yourself, right? __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon

06-23-2015, 11:16 PM	#68
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	That's the best theory? I've seen better. The best I've come up with was Splinter teaching him self-reliance and survival skills, and probably some confidence, too. Seems to have backfired, though- Leo missed the point and went WAY overboard. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

06-23-2015, 11:44 PM	#69
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	Well, Leo is a bit of a perfectionist - he gets very absorbed in mastering a specific skill and can sometimes lose focus on the bigger picture (ie, why he was learning the skill in the first place and how it fits in with the rest of his skillset). Like in "The Shredder Strikes - Part 1" in the 2k3 series, where he gets so focused on perfecting his skill with the katana that he forgets a true ninja can make anything an effective weapon; that there are no superior weapons, only superior ninja. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

06-24-2015, 12:54 AM	#72
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	If that were true, I'd be a Leo fan. But I'm not, and I'm the only child in my family. So's my hubby, and he's not a Leo fan either (Sorry, Leo656) We're Mikey and Raph fans, respectively.... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

06-24-2015, 01:10 AM	#74
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	No, I didn't misunderstand, but the idea that only a certain "type" of person would be a Leo fan doesn't follow. IE, if Leo fans are either first-born or only kids, then I should be one, right? Because I'm independent, mature (don't laugh- I've been hanging with adults since I was 6), and reliable-but Leo is my LEAST favorite of the turtles, because I find those traits boring in a character. In spite of traits in common, I don't identify with him AT ALL, because he's nothing like me in outlook. But by that logic, I SHOULD identify with him. Maybe some Leo fans identify with that, but I wouldn't say that's THE reason they do. Also: Technically my hubby's not an "only" child, but the age gap with his brother is so wide he might as well be. Yet he's a Raph fan. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

06-23-2015, 10:42 PM	#62
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	He is better, sucker-punches notwithstanding. When you're better than other people there's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing it out, so long as it's true. It's obnoxious but in no way illegal.

06-23-2015, 11:07 PM	#64
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	"The truth is, my sons... ...the little prick always got on my nerves. I was hoping he'd stay there. I've been sick of this ninja thing for years. I'm like 150 in rat years... I want to sit around on the couch, take my glaucoma medicine, and watch Jerry Springer. But that guy... ALWAYS with the 'practice'. ALWAYS with the 'training'. I mean, take a day off once in a while! So I figured I'd send him down there, and the rest of us could finally f***ing RELAX!" .... I could see it. Splinter's a jerk, sometimes.

06-24-2015, 12:59 AM	#73
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	You misunderstand. They're not saying most "only child" kids are Leo fans but rather than most Leo fans may be "only child" kids. I'm a Leo fanboy & an only child, so I'm curious to what their thought behind that theory is. The reliability of independence, maybe?

06-24-2015, 02:47 AM	#75
Ceres Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 601	April O´Neil: NICK(without much thinking this version is the most annoying incarnation of this character ever.) Casey Jones: NICK(Just no...ugh, the heck with the adults getting mashed to teenagers stuff D Michelangelo: NICK(stupid, annoying to no end) Baxter: Fred Wolf Cartoon(i like the black version more, my favourite would be the IDW incarnation of good ole Baxter) Leonardo: FW Cartoon Donatello: 4Kids Raphael: 4kids Splinter: NICK(totally unlikable in my opinion) Bebop: NICK(god they destroyed this character with this skinny stupid loud mouthed hip-hop wannabe, also his voice is utterly frustrating to listen to) Rocksteady: a tie between NICK and IDW, can't decide which one is worse. Shredder: 4Kids, Next Mutation and NICK(yeah again i know, i am kind of biased against this cartoon incarnation) Utrom Shredder was the worst of all, and Ch´rell just annoying(the other Utroms were not better, i liked their appearance in IDW far more) Kraang: with expection of KSP and Prime all these little critters for having no own personality at all. Leatherhead: FW Cartoon and NICK(i hated his personality in the OT cartoon and kind of was disappointed that the Nick version made him into a good guy.) __________________ "Shredder, why don't you make love to me anymore?"