Terminator Reboot

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Everyone always complains about the setting of Terminator Salvation...and that it didn't look like James Cameron's future war...

Except for the fact that it was not Future War people wanted to see on the big screen. To add to it, Salvation's setting was quite generic and unmemorable. Also, about three movies, I've heard these rumors, but McG words paint entirely different picture for its sequels

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I personally am not a fan of having a million timelines.

Same here. I don't like "time travel creates another reality" approach, because it makes time travel quite pointless.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I have a problem with it, because they took everything that made the first two GREAT, completely removed it, and made it a typical 2015 action movie. I will say at least this isn't as bad as Point Break will be, a reboot which literally took everything from the original movie and removed it, except for the main character's names.
For each its own. Considering who was behind the production, I've expected typical 2015 movie and received what I was expected.

I approach it like this: can I influence production of the movie, if it most likely will be bad? No. So, I take what I can from it, as in I adjust my expectations towards what I suppose movie will be. Expectations, based on real evidence, not on nostalgia or fanfiction you have written in the head, since the last movie. I wish more people approached things like that. Would've made less for a less conflicts and added more objectivity to the mix.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

You completely contradict yourself here...

No contradiction whatsoever. I didn't say "movies suck nowadays". I do not have a habit of making such general statements, unlike some other people here. I speak only of this particular franchise. And it's not about originality, it's about expectations from a franchise, which has become a cashcow, decade ago, and a movie, which was already created and had a lot of materials for people to judge its quality or lack of thereof.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

This is not where it was going at all. McG talked about focusing on the creation of the T-1000 in the Salvation sequel, and then eventually leading to the time traveling. Neverthless, it was one of the possible ideas for a sequel.

Showing creation of T1000 does not contradict it.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

This is exactly what I mean about people incapable of forming their own opinions. You are regurgitating buzz words or phrases you've heard in reviews.

I like to observe how some people put words in my mouth. Every time it gets more ridiculous, but it's fun to see, how some people crave to justify their opinion, by attempting to put down others and convince them what they think, while being absolutely clueless and ignorant of true reasons for it. Time to clean up this mess...

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

The movie has a giant robot...therefore it's a MICHALE BAY rip off of Transformers...oh god the OBSESSION of people with Michael Bay on this forum...

Yes, Harvester seems like an attempt to cater to Bayformers audience, by introducing similar looking machine, where previously there were none. Justification for it is lame as well and looks like something out of childish fanfiction.
Also, I spoke more about idea of changing setting of Terminator franchise, by making it take place in the present. Hence my comment about conceptual similarity to the "Battle for LA" as well.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

"Bale is Bailing"...This is something that was attached to him after his melt down on set. I will admit he's the worst character in the movie, but it's a pretty damn good performance still, and the last portion of the movie he's great.

My opinion of him has nothing to do with his meltdown, no matter how much you try to convince me and yourself otherwise. I don't like his performance and think he always plays the same arrogant guy on a verge of psychotic breakdown, from one movie to another. Hence, why I dislike him. It's my personal problem with actor, which influence my opinion of the movie. However, even in its absence, Salvation has a lot of other problems, which has nothing to do with actors or their performance.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

"Marcus is bland" This is an opinion, but it's an opinion I've heard a lot. I disagree with it, because Marcus is the only "Terminator" to have a conscience and actually has a redemption story.

Need I explain, that there is a obvious difference between such things as "actor performance" and "character story"? His story could've been interesting, but actor's performance was lacking.
You either trying to swap one concept for another to make your argument seem more credible, or you just don't know what are you talking about.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

"T800 blunders" what?

During his fight with John Connor at the end of the movie he could have killed him multiple times. Instead he just throws him around the place. Where is the ruthless efficiency of the Terminator units? Oh, he acquires it as soon as plot demands him to, however, his obvious blunder is obvious. While the scene looked cool, it's still utterly ridiculous. Though, that goes for most of Salvation stuff.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Bale is not even in the movie that long. He wanted less action which is a GOOD thing for the Terminator movies, because the first two, although they had a fair amount of action, there is a LOT of down time. And a LOT of character building. The "bad" Terminator movies are the ones that jam the movie with 30 minute chase scenes where the T-800 is swinging through buildings...or a bus does a 450 splash on the Golden Gate Bridge.

It seems you don't know about T4 production, aren't you?

Initially John Connor should have appeared in person only at the end of the movie, where he was promptly killed. Instead, Bale demanded to expand his role to the point, where it seriously hurt development of Marcus as a character (as well as stole time from Kyle's role) and have made, already, rather convoluted story, even more disjointed and badly paced. Take away scenes with Connor from the movie and pretty much nothing will change, aside from absence of some awkward secondary plot.

Final version of Salvation story is a bad disjointed mess, apparently because script was rewritten multiple times by multiple people almost on the go. Skynet plan doesn't make even an ounce of sense: Marcus wakes up in the middle of a desert and, somehow, Skynet knew that he will encounter Kyle Reese, encounter John Connor, that he'll survive fighting with other humans and machines...This "plan" relied on so much luck and contrived coincidences, that Skynet as well, could apply to Fortune Telling, instead of being AI-warlord. Also, movie never explains how Skynet knew that Kyle Reese was John Connor's father. Why it didn't kill him. The whole "John Connor infiltrates "Skynet City" part" was created solely to give Connor something to do in the movie, instead of sitting in the submarine and ordering resistance around as was original plan.

I don't want to say that original version of the script was better, as it included other of-the-wall ideas, like Skynet's desire to advance humanity, instead of exterminating it, Terminator-farmers and other stuff. However, it's undeniable, that whatever original vision for the movie was, it was broken in hundred pieces by all of the rewrites that come after, resulting in a shoddy product, which doesn't make much sense.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I liked the scenes to open Genysis. But Salvation was BUILDING to that...

I am not sure if it would've been looking "like I wanted to". TG has a lot of references too, and I found them rather well-done, whereas I didn't care much for what Salvation did. But that mostly because Salvation didn't made me care for it at all.

[turtlefanforever]

Surprised about all the hate. i really liked it. Lots of action, really kept your eyes on the screen. Given i don't have the extreme emotional attachment that all of you seem to have for Terminator. And the plot was very straight forward.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Except for the fact that it was not Future War people wanted to see on the big screen. To add to it, Salvation's setting was quite generic and unmemorable. Also, about three movies, I've heard these rumors, but McG words paint entirely different picture for its sequels

Except this is completely wrong. The franchise was at the point of no return, the previous installment saw the world end. The sequel needs to take place after the Skynet invasion.

Originally Posted by Sumac

I approach it like this: can I influence production of the movie, if it most likely will be bad? No. So, I take what I can from it, as in I adjust my expectations towards what I suppose movie will be. Expectations, based on real evidence, not on nostalgia or fanfiction you have written in the head, since the last movie. I wish more people approached things like that. Would've made less for a less conflicts and added more objectivity to the mix.

Actually I try and stay out of the way of any production photos, rumors etc...because I do not want to have a preconceived notion the movie will be bad or good. I base my interest off of the trailers. Too many people judge a movie now just from seeing set photos. I am interested in the Terminator story, so when they make one, I will see it.

Originally Posted by Sumac

No contradiction whatsoever. I didn't say "movies suck nowadays". I do not have a habit of making such general statements, unlike some other people here. I speak only of this particular franchise. And it's not about originality, it's about expectations from a franchise, which has become a cashcow, decade ago, and a movie, which was already created and had a lot of materials for people to judge its quality or lack of thereof.

You typed a lot of words but don't make any point.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Showing creation of T1000 does not contradict it.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Also, I spoke more about idea of changing setting of Terminator franchise, by making it take place in the present. Hence my comment about conceptual similarity to the "Battle for LA" as well.

First of all, I was speaking to the statement you made about the sequels taking multiple machines back to the present like Battle for LA. I was telling you that the plan for the immediate sequel was about the creation of the T-1000. Most likely building to the 3rd movie where the T-800 AND T-1000 would be sent back in time, and we would witness Kyle, and the reprogrammed T-800 sent back to protect. This would complete the circle of the Terminator Franchise.

Originally Posted by Sumac

I like to observe how some people put words in my mouth. Every time it gets more ridiculous, but it's fun to see, how some people crave to justify their opinion, by attempting to put down others and convince them what they think, while being absolutely clueless and ignorant of true reasons for it. Time to clean up this mess...

You literally gave no actual reasons for disliking the movie just repeated "buzz words" and phrases that are constantly used. So I did not put words in your mouth I quoted YOUR words.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Yes, Harvester seems like an attempt to cater to Bayformers audience, by introducing similar looking machine, where previously there were none. Justification for it is lame as well and looks like something out of childish fanfiction.

Why is the justification lame? You make these statements then offer no explanation. They harvest the humans to learn how to replicate their human flesh. And or possibly make more "Marcus" models. The Harvester collects humans then calls a transporter to relocate them. The Harvester is directly linked to Skynet being able to invent the T-800 sooner than it was supposed to. It has plenty of justifications. If this was made before Transformers, you wouldn't have said this, but now because any "big robot" that is in a movie, it's a "Bayformers rip off". More repeating other "buzz words" or phrases. Also this thing is hardly a Transformer.

Originally Posted by Sumac

My opinion of him has nothing to do with his meltdown, no matter how much you try to convince me and yourself otherwise. I don't like his performance and think he always plays the same arrogant guy on a verge of psychotic breakdown, from one movie to another. Hence, why I dislike him. It's my personal problem with actor, which influence my opinion of the movie. However, even in its absence, Salvation has a lot of other problems, which has nothing to do with actors or their performance.

At least you took the time to explain something here. I completely understand not liking an actor or actress. But I see no similarities from his John Connor to any other movie he has made.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Need I explain, that there is a obvious difference between such things as "actor performance" and "character story"? His story could've been interesting, but actor's performance was lacking.
You either trying to swap one concept for another to make your argument seem more credible, or you just don't know what are you talking about.

You said "Marcus is bland". Marcus is the character. Sam Worthington is the actor. If you thought Worthington was bland, you should have said it. The character and story of Marcus is not bland. I thought Worthington was great in this movie.

Originally Posted by Sumac

During his fight with John Connor at the end of the movie he could have killed him multiple times. Instead he just throws him around the place. Where is the ruthless efficiency of the Terminator units? Oh, he acquires it as soon as plot demands him to, however, his obvious blunder is obvious. While the scene looked cool, it's still utterly ridiculous. Though, that goes for most of Salvation stuff.

Have you seen previous Terminator movies? Why is it ok for the Terminator to bat Kyle around in T1 but not ok for him to do it to John in TS? The T-800 in TS is the FIRST ONE EVER. I'm sure it has glitches.

Originally Posted by Sumac

It seems you don't know about T4 production, aren't you?

Like I said before, I don't care to hear rumors and stories before seeing a movie. If a movie was re-written 50 times it does not make me like or hate a movie before I see it. I saw it, and I liked it. That's all that matters. If you have a slice of cake, and you enjoyed it, but after you finished you were told "That cake took 50 tries to make" would you like the cake any less?

Originally Posted by Sumac

Initially John Connor should have appeared in person only at the end of the movie, where he was promptly killed. Instead, Bale demanded to expand his role to the point, where it seriously hurt development of Marcus as a character (as well as stole time from Kyle's role) and have made, already, rather convoluted story, even more disjointed and badly paced. Take away scenes with Connor from the movie and pretty much nothing will change, aside from absence of some awkward secondary plot.

Don't like the idea of John dying before 2029 so this would have made me hate the movie.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Final version of Salvation story is a bad disjointed mess, apparently because script was rewritten multiple times by multiple people almost on the go. Skynet plan doesn't make even an ounce of sense: Marcus wakes up in the middle of a desert and, somehow, Skynet knew that he will encounter Kyle Reese, encounter John Connor, that he'll survive fighting with other humans and machines...This "plan" relied on so much luck and contrived coincidences, that Skynet as well, could apply to Fortune Telling, instead of being AI-warlord. Also, movie never explains how Skynet knew that Kyle Reese was John Connor's father. Why it didn't kill him. The whole "John Connor infiltrates "Skynet City" part" was created solely to give Connor something to do in the movie, instead of sitting in the submarine and ordering resistance around as was original plan.

I don't want to say that original version of the script was better, as it included other of-the-wall ideas, like Skynet's desire to advance humanity, instead of exterminating it, Terminator-farmers and other stuff. However, it's undeniable, that whatever original vision for the movie was, it was broken in hundred pieces by all of the rewrites that come after, resulting in a shoddy product, which doesn't make much sense.

Well it's clear the movie didn't make sense to you. Maybe it was too much of a love letter to the first 2 movies. If you aren't into them as much as some, you might not get it. Marcus is an infiltration unit. When he ears certain words or names his CPU will make him choose one action over another, but he won't know it's not his own thinking. His main target was to find John Connor and bring him to the facility. Most likely so they can turn John into a Terminator to sabotage the Resistance. He is drawn to Kyle and doesn't even know it. He's very determined to get him back until he hears the name "John Connor" now he completely loses interest in Kyle, and goes with Blaire to find Connor. Skynet didn't know anything. They were anticipating him being able to fit in with the humans and over time locate John Connor. If you know the movie so much from what was in the original script and can't get over the changes, that's your fault. I enjoyed seeing John's rise to power so to speak. We are never shown WHY he is the leader until TS.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

Surprised about all the hate. i really liked it. Lots of action, really kept your eyes on the screen. Given i don't have the extreme emotional attachment that all of you seem to have for Terminator. And the plot was very straight forward.

Terminator is sent back in time to kill the mother of the eventual Leader of the Resistance, and a soldier sent back to protect her is straight forward. Going back in time, multiple times, with multiple terminators, and then having a computer program become a physical thing that can "hack" a human, then send HIM back in time to create itself, only to have Sarah and Kyle go FORWARD in time to stop Skynet is NOT straight forward.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Sure people thought it'd be huge. But a $200m weekend? Biggest opening weekend ever? It's already about to outgross The Avengers. No one even got high and daydreamed of that.

The power of Chris Pratt knows no bounds though

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by THGhost

The power of Chris Pratt knows no bounds though

What can I say? Apparently, he's the new Will Smith.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

What can I say? Apparently, he's the new Will Smith.

Pretty much. I'm surprised he wasn't in Terminator Genisys.

[CyberCubed]

I really liked the movie, and its a good "final" movie if this happens to be the last one until a possible reboot. Good action scenes, some nice humor, Arnold was great, and Sarah Conner was the best actress/actor in this whole thing.

I'm surprised the part about John Conner becoming a Terminator became true, I remember when Salvation was coming out there were rumors of John Conner being killed and a Terminator using his skin to masquerade around as him.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I really liked the movie, and its a good "final" movie if this happens to be the last one until a possible reboot. Good action scenes, some nice humor, Arnold was great, and Sarah Conner was the best actress/actor in this whole thing.

I'm surprised the part about John Conner becoming a Terminator became true, I remember when Salvation was coming out there were rumors of John Conner being killed and a Terminator using his skin to masquerade around as him.

Yeah real good movie. I especially liked when Arnie inexplicably gets an "upgrade" because he fell in some goop. He's an upgrade but still looks 70 years old.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I really liked the movie, and its a good "final" movie if this happens to be the last one until a possible reboot. Good action scenes, some nice humor, Arnold was great, and Sarah Conner was the best actress/actor in this whole thing.

I'm surprised the part about John Conner becoming a Terminator became true, I remember when Salvation was coming out there were rumors of John Conner being killed and a Terminator using his skin to masquerade around as him.

There's meant to be sequels being made to Genisys, at least that's what I heard.

You're one of the first people I've seen say that Emilia Clarke was the best actor in it. I've seen a lot say she was miscast. I personally thought she was great.

Btw, it's John Connor.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Yeah real good movie. I especially liked when Arnie inexplicably gets an "upgrade" because he fell in some goop. He's an upgrade but still looks 70 years old.

I look forward to seeing what he can do with his new abilities, since we're supposed to be getting sequels to this one.

[Vicky82]

Hasn't done all that well at the Box office.

Domestic: $68,848,110
+ Foreign: $155,500,000
= Worldwide: $224,348,110

[THGhost]

At least it made its budget back.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Hasn't done all that well at the Box office.

Domestic: $68,848,110
+ Foreign: $155,500,000
= Worldwide: $224,348,110

So it's doing well, Its no longer how well it does domestically, But how it does worldwide, Since they count the foreign box office too.

[chrisdude]

It definitely could be one of those movies that makes gains on video sales and rentals.

[MikeandRaph87]

I watched The Terminator on Netflix yesterday. I have to say Kyle's sudden declaration of love was out of nowhere. The only out of nowhere forced cinema romance that had zero lead up more than this was Lt. Dunbar and Stands With A Fist in Dances With Wolves. Could have done without the naked flashes too, but that is only my personal preference as to how it was bandled in the latest film.

It kept me interested during the whole movie so it did its job. I see the references in the early part of Genyisis. A nod and a way of looping it all together. I prefer Genyisis of the two films.

[CyberCubed]

Watch Terminator II, its one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Watch Terminator II, its one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.

I plan on borrowing it from my sibling tomorrow and watch over the weekend. Its the only Terminator film he cares to own and like many suggest to watch only the first two and maybe Genisys. T3 and Salvation do not sound any good. Arnold makes the films and if Salavation does not have a certain T-800 then no thanks. T3 just seems like a bad plan from what I read, but you Terminator fans could tell me that as I would not know.

I did think the relationship between Sarah and Kyle was handled better and created a build up. It was not completely out of nowhere like in the original film and see Sarah more scarred and action prone was better. The twist of Arnold raising her was interesting.

[chrisdude]

That relationship came out of nowhere because you weren't supposed to expect it. Kyle being John's father was the twist. They were fighting to save the future, but - surprise - the future was already set. Everything they did was meant to be.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I plan on borrowing it from my sibling tomorrow and watch over the weekend. Its the only Terminator film he cares to own and like many suggest to watch only the first two and maybe Genisys. T3 and Salvation do not sound any good. Arnold makes the films and if Salavation does not have a certain T-800 then no thanks. T3 just seems like a bad plan from what I read, but you Terminator fans could tell me that as I would not know..

T3 is okay, a silly popcorn flick. Nothing more. I'd recommend The Sarah Connor Chronicles instead, since it replaces T3 in the timeline. Salvation is just horrible.

Originally Posted by chrisdude

That relationship came out of nowhere because you weren't supposed to expect it. Kyle being John's father was the twist. They were fighting to save the future, but - surprise - the future was already set. Everything they did was meant to be.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks the relationship "came out of nowhere" has definitely missed something.

[CyberCubed]

Terminator 3 wasn't too bad. Its probably the most campy of all the films but I saw it when I was really young so I liked it for that reason.