Fix The Movie

*MikeandRaph87* · 07-22-2015, 07:34 PM

We all have movies we like, but have a few things that nag us that keep it from being as good of a movie as it could be. Pick a film or two you like, but want to do minor adjustments to make it better and tell what you would do to correct the movie in your opinion to make it better. Its up to you what you consider minor, but no major overhauls to the film to fix it what you believe would be a better quality film. Have fun and remain civil.

For me it would be Batman Forever. I am a big fan of both Riddler and Dick Grayson especially as and enjoyed the plot.

1.There was a line that Bruce whispered when talking about his parents murder which he said, " I killed them...".

2. I would have liked a follow up on that and a more of psychological study of Batman. Also, I hate The Riddler's costume in the final battle. Jim Carrey's hair was what Edward Nygma's is so why wear that stupid red headed wig? The light up jump suit? Just keep the question marks suit and his real hair!

3. No neon lights throughout the film. It made it look silly instead of cool and a period piece as neon was seemingly a fad then. More realistic set pieces would have been nice.

I enjoy the plot and the characters involved, but it left some things to be desired.

What do you think of my minor fixes to Batman Forever? What movie do you feel needs minor adjustments to be better appreciated and been a beter overall product?

*Wildcat* · 07-23-2015, 12:26 AM

Batman Forever is my favorite of the 90s Batmans. Well I know the Keaton one was 89. Anyway only thing that bothered me was the Batmobile. It was not very appealing to me and the gigantic bat wing was ridiculous imo.

I guess most movies could probably be improved if you think about it.

In 1990 Tmnt never liked that the turtles are beaten by Shredder but Splinter easily defeats him in one move. Similarly in SotO Super Shredder dying in the collapse made no sense. A legitimate Turtles vs Shredder battle for both would have been awesome.

In Ghostbusters its always bothered me that they don't show or explain anything about how the equipment came to be. They just have it all ready to go. It would have been great to see some of the creation process. It could have added a few more memorable scenes too.

The first Transformers movie is the best but the Bumblebee and Barricade car chase is nonexistent. It starts and then the movie cuts to night time. It's like a car chase was literally cut out. That would have been cool to have.

In Child's Play, which is my favorite horror series, it always bothered me the mother buys the doll from a homeless man in the alley. It fits the story but I just don't think a mother would do that. I would have had the homeless man pawn it and then the mother sees it and buys it from the pawn shop. That makes more sense.

I'm sure there's more but this could get long.

*Powder* · 07-23-2015, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

In 1990 Tmnt never liked that the turtles are beaten by Shredder but Splinter easily defeats him in one move. Similarly in SotO Super Shredder dying in the collapse made no sense. A legitimate Turtles vs Shredder battle for both would have been awesome.

Shredder defeats himself in both battles. That's the point. He's completely blinded by rage.

"Anger clouds the mind. Turned inward, it is an unconquerable enemy."

*Wildcat* · 07-23-2015, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Shredder defeats himself in both battles. That's the point. He's completely blinded by rage.

"Anger clouds the mind. Turned inward, it is an unconquerable enemy."

Even so it does not make for a very good ending in either one. Especially in Soto when he's Super.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-23-2015, 12:38 AM

When you realize and factor in what it costs per minute to rent a Kevin Nash, his limited amount of screentime as Super-Shredder makes a lot more sense.

Storyline or drama be damned, the guy makes ten grand an hour. "Drop some logs on him. F*** this guy."

*Powder* · 07-23-2015, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

Even so it does not make for a very good ending in either one. Especially in Soto when he's Super.

I beg to differ, but it's of course a matter of opinion...

*Mayhem* · 07-23-2015, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

In Ghostbusters its always bothered me that they don't show or explain anything about how the equipment came to be. They just have it all ready to go. It would have been great to see some of the creation process. It could have added a few more memorable scenes too.

Yeah, I've always wondered that as well. The PK meters I can understand, but an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on your back? Now that's some hot stuff!

*MikeandRaph87* · 07-23-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

In Ghostbusters its always bothered me that they don't show or explain anything about how the equipment came to be. They just have it all ready to go. It would have been great to see some of the creation process. It could have added a few more memorable scenes too.

Ghostbuster II I felt could instead of breaking up Peter and Dana between films having her marry, have a baby, and divorce that Peter and Dana could be the baby's parents and the plot could have better characterization and conflict more personal to Murray's character.

Rocky IV, I always hated that Apollo had to die. Why not be on life support and a permanent injury instead of dying?

*Bry* · 07-23-2015, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Shredder defeats himself in both battles. That's the point. He's completely blinded by rage.

"Anger clouds the mind. Turned inward, it is an unconquerable enemy."

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

Even so it does not make for a very good ending in either one. Especially in Soto when he's Super.

I disagree - in the 1990 movie, that's part of what makes it a great ending. The Shredder is the personification of Splinter's warning to Raphael, and seeing him go out like he did highlights the point. The Turtles attacked in pure anger and lost against him badly. But Splinter got him angry in return and used his carelessness to take him out.

I'm gonna give them credit for doing that on purpose - Splinter's speech to Raphael was in there for a reason, and the ending was the payoff. And with a decent amount of subtlety, considering...

*Wildcat* · 07-24-2015, 12:18 AM

Look I understand why they did the ending like that in the first one. It does fit in the context of the overall movie. I still would have preferred a better final bout with the turtles having defeated Shredder though.

However it's inexcusable to basically do the same thing in Secret of the Ooze. Especially as Super Shredder. Regardless of his super form neither movie gave us "Turtles vs Shredder". Which was a big disappointment imo.

I can't be the only one who expected that. I mean come on it was the Ninja Turtles.

*THGhost* · 07-28-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

Batman Forever is my favorite of the 90s Batmans. Well I know the Keaton one was 89.

There are two Keaton Batman films, one of which was '92. Therefore you like Batman Forever more than Batman Returns?

*MikeandRaph87* · 07-28-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

There are two Keaton Batman films, one of which was '92. Therefore you like Batman Forever more than Batman Returns?

I do. Batman Forever is my favorite whereas Batman Returns is my least facorite and only live wction Bat film I do not care to own. Its simply not for me.

*THGhost* · 07-28-2015, 09:48 PM

To each his/her own. Returns is easily the best out of the four Burton/Schumacher films, imho and most others.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 07-28-2015, 10:45 PM

I still hold with the first one as the best. Forever was okay, but Returns was still better, IMHO. We will not speak of Batman and Robin....

*MikeandRaph87* · 07-28-2015, 11:01 PM

There are too many things to fix in Batman & Robin. Batgirl and Bane should have been featured in a fifth film to not overcrowd. Then give Batgirl her last name and father back instead of referencing the obscure character from Demon of Gothos Mansion in Batman. Then there is the over the top sets 'nuff said about that. Too much goofy one liners opposed to lines that are funny. I still appreciated Mr.Freeze's presence in a film and its always great to see Dick Grayson in the Robin suit. Still I appreciate it more than Batman Returns.

Another movie that I would slightly alter would be Rocky 4. It always bothered me that Apollo had to die. Paulie is a scumbag I woul much rather sacrifice and all he got was a punch to the gut by Tommy Gunn. Apollo could be near death in the hospital watching the fight there.

Warhorse is a touching emotional film. There is a ten minute segment in which an elementarty school boy pulls his brother from the ranks of his troops without any say so from the brother or overseeing officer only to have them both murdered for abandonment. It did nothing for the plot only gave more emoton that was unnecessary and can be edited out without messing hardly a beat.

*Wildcat* · 07-28-2015, 11:45 PM

My problems with 89 and Returns is there's dumb things that can not be overlooked especially since the movies are portrayed seriously.

Batsuit is bulletproof yet Catwoman can claw through it. The Batmobile is made out to be almost invincible but is easily broken into. These are issues more so with Returns but 89 does have that stupid part with Joker shooting down the Batwing with a handgun.

I liked Forever better because it just seems to work better. It's not one of my all-time favorite movies but I enjoyed it.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-29-2015, 12:08 AM

Batman Returns is a great Tim Burton movie but a f*cking awful Batman movie. Not as bad as the next two, no - it's still a fun, competent, entertaining film - but it's got Nothing to do with Batman and his universe and Everything to do with Burton Being Burton, and I'm no longer a 16-year-old Hot Topic shopper, so F*ck "Tim Burton Being Tim Burton" all over those goddamn Batman movies. They were good, but they could've been better if they were helmed by someone who wasn't such a goddamn narcissist. "Look! LOOK! Black and white stripes! SPIRALS! Weirdos being WEIRD! YOU LOVE THIS SH*T!"

It's really more of a backdoor setup for a Catwoman movie than it is a Batman movie, on every single level. Batman's barely in the damn thing, and when he is, he's either stupid OR out of character. Meanwhile, Batman's blatantly killing people and then takes his mask off in front of other people. What a dumbass.

They were fun, though. And the music and visuals were top-notch. How I'd "fix" those movies, is keep most of what they did, and then hire a director and screenwriter who actually read the comics, and didn't just flip through them before tossing them on a pile dismissively and then speak of them with disdain. If you ever wanna puke, go find an old interview of Burton talking about how stupid and juvenile Batman and comics were in general, and how none of the mythology "worked" until HE got a hold of it. They're good movies, don't get me wrong, but they're not very faithful in any respect aside from, "Yeah, that's kinda what the characters look like." The rest is just Tim Burton jacking off all over the celluloid like he always does. And me, I'm way the hell over him and his "quirkiness".

Forever and Batman & Robin I'd just burn. Too much neon and everyone acts like they're in a goddamn high school play. The whole thing felt like watching the Batman Stunt Show at Six Flags, just ridiculous stunts and set pieces with zero rhyme or reason, mixed with the absolute worst acting and writing possible. Those movies are the sh*ts, all over. Forever's at least watchable, at least the five seconds neither Carrey nor Jones are hamming it up and f*cking ruining everything. I still haven't gotten through Batman & Robin. I've probably seen all of it a piece at a time, but I don't think I've ever watched more than 15 minutes at once. I can't. I get mad, and take it out on homeless people by lighting them on fire. They don't all die, but they're all in a lot less pain than I am every time I try and watch Batman and f*cking Robin.

I agree that 89 and Returns both had some problems - the biggest of all being Tim Burton - but it's not right to say Forever "worked better". Nothing about it worked period, it was just Less Bad than the next one. Awful cast giving awful performances. Terrible script full of contrivances and nonsense. The Batmobile drives up walls. Chris O'Donnell playing Dick Grayson as a whiny c*nt. Two-Face thinks he's The Joker. Neon everywhere. Jim Carrey ever being born.

I loved it when I saw it in theaters when I was 12. I can't stand it now. Nice soundtrack, though.

*Wildcat* · 07-29-2015, 12:30 AM

I can buy the batmobile driving up a wall. It was on a hook and it was just for a quick escape. It's a little over the top but that's kinda the point of the batmobile. Not as impossible as the armor covering that just comes out of nowhere

Overall I think Forever is better put together. It's corny but like I said not an all-time fave but I liked it just fine.

*THGhost* · 07-29-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I still hold with the first one as the best. Forever was okay, but Returns was still better, IMHO. We will not speak of Batman and Robin....

We can all debate which is the best out of '89, Returns and Forever... well, forever. But at least we can all agree that Batman & Robin is the worst.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-29-2015, 10:07 PM

It's one of the the Worst "anythings' ever. Not just movies, like everything. Like, when it's the end of the world, and the aliens are looking through their gigantic high-tech outer space time capsule that's like a scrapbook of mankind's entire existence and all its history and achievements... they're gonna look at that sh*t and vomit, deciding ultimately that maybe mankind was not MEANT to maintain its dominance over planet Earth. Not if it considered sh*t movies like "Batman & Robin" some sort of "achievement".

It Sucks.

07-22-2015, 07:34 PM	#1
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Fix The Movie We all have movies we like, but have a few things that nag us that keep it from being as good of a movie as it could be. Pick a film or two you like, but want to do minor adjustments to make it better and tell what you would do to correct the movie in your opinion to make it better. Its up to you what you consider minor, but no major overhauls to the film to fix it what you believe would be a better quality film. Have fun and remain civil. For me it would be Batman Forever. I am a big fan of both Riddler and Dick Grayson especially as and enjoyed the plot. 1.There was a line that Bruce whispered when talking about his parents murder which he said, " I killed them...". 2. I would have liked a follow up on that and a more of psychological study of Batman. Also, I hate The Riddler's costume in the final battle. Jim Carrey's hair was what Edward Nygma's is so why wear that stupid red headed wig? The light up jump suit? Just keep the question marks suit and his real hair! 3. No neon lights throughout the film. It made it look silly instead of cool and a period piece as neon was seemingly a fad then. More realistic set pieces would have been nice. I enjoy the plot and the characters involved, but it left some things to be desired. What do you think of my minor fixes to Batman Forever? What movie do you feel needs minor adjustments to be better appreciated and been a beter overall product? __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon! Last edited by MikeandRaph87; 07-22-2015 at 07:41 PM.

07-23-2015, 12:26 AM	#2
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	Batman Forever is my favorite of the 90s Batmans. Well I know the Keaton one was 89. Anyway only thing that bothered me was the Batmobile. It was not very appealing to me and the gigantic bat wing was ridiculous imo. I guess most movies could probably be improved if you think about it. In 1990 Tmnt never liked that the turtles are beaten by Shredder but Splinter easily defeats him in one move. Similarly in SotO Super Shredder dying in the collapse made no sense. A legitimate Turtles vs Shredder battle for both would have been awesome. In Ghostbusters its always bothered me that they don't show or explain anything about how the equipment came to be. They just have it all ready to go. It would have been great to see some of the creation process. It could have added a few more memorable scenes too. The first Transformers movie is the best but the Bumblebee and Barricade car chase is nonexistent. It starts and then the movie cuts to night time. It's like a car chase was literally cut out. That would have been cool to have. In Child's Play, which is my favorite horror series, it always bothered me the mother buys the doll from a homeless man in the alley. It fits the story but I just don't think a mother would do that. I would have had the homeless man pawn it and then the mother sees it and buys it from the pawn shop. That makes more sense. I'm sure there's more but this could get long. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

07-24-2015, 12:18 AM	#10
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	Look I understand why they did the ending like that in the first one. It does fit in the context of the overall movie. I still would have preferred a better final bout with the turtles having defeated Shredder though. However it's inexcusable to basically do the same thing in Secret of the Ooze. Especially as Super Shredder. Regardless of his super form neither movie gave us "Turtles vs Shredder". Which was a big disappointment imo. I can't be the only one who expected that. I mean come on it was the Ninja Turtles. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

07-28-2015, 09:48 PM	#13
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	To each his/her own. Returns is easily the best out of the four Burton/Schumacher films, imho and most others. __________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

07-28-2015, 10:45 PM	#14
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I still hold with the first one as the best. Forever was okay, but Returns was still better, IMHO. We will not speak of Batman and Robin.... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

07-23-2015, 12:38 AM	#5
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	When you realize and factor in what it costs per minute to rent a Kevin Nash, his limited amount of screentime as Super-Shredder makes a lot more sense. Storyline or drama be damned, the guy makes ten grand an hour. "Drop some logs on him. F*** this guy."

07-28-2015, 11:01 PM	#15
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	There are too many things to fix in Batman & Robin. Batgirl and Bane should have been featured in a fifth film to not overcrowd. Then give Batgirl her last name and father back instead of referencing the obscure character from Demon of Gothos Mansion in Batman. Then there is the over the top sets 'nuff said about that. Too much goofy one liners opposed to lines that are funny. I still appreciated Mr.Freeze's presence in a film and its always great to see Dick Grayson in the Robin suit. Still I appreciate it more than Batman Returns. Another movie that I would slightly alter would be Rocky 4. It always bothered me that Apollo had to die. Paulie is a scumbag I woul much rather sacrifice and all he got was a punch to the gut by Tommy Gunn. Apollo could be near death in the hospital watching the fight there. Warhorse is a touching emotional film. There is a ten minute segment in which an elementarty school boy pulls his brother from the ranks of his troops without any say so from the brother or overseeing officer only to have them both murdered for abandonment. It did nothing for the plot only gave more emoton that was unnecessary and can be edited out without messing hardly a beat. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

07-28-2015, 11:45 PM	#16
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	My problems with 89 and Returns is there's dumb things that can not be overlooked especially since the movies are portrayed seriously. Batsuit is bulletproof yet Catwoman can claw through it. The Batmobile is made out to be almost invincible but is easily broken into. These are issues more so with Returns but 89 does have that stupid part with Joker shooting down the Batwing with a handgun. I liked Forever better because it just seems to work better. It's not one of my all-time favorite movies but I enjoyed it. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

07-29-2015, 12:08 AM	#17
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Batman Returns is a great Tim Burton movie but a fcking awful* Batman movie. Not as bad as the next two, no - it's still a fun, competent, entertaining film - but it's got Nothing to do with Batman and his universe and Everything to do with Burton Being Burton, and I'm no longer a 16-year-old Hot Topic shopper, so Fck "Tim Burton Being Tim Burton" all over those goddamn Batman movies. They were good, but they could've been better if they were helmed by someone who wasn't such a goddamn narcissist. "Look! LOOK! Black and white stripes! SPIRALS! Weirdos being WEIRD! *YOU LOVE THIS SHT!*" It's really more of a backdoor setup for a Catwoman movie than it is a Batman movie, on every single level. Batman's barely in the damn thing, and when he is, he's either stupid OR out of character. Meanwhile, Batman's blatantly killing people and then takes his mask off in front of other people. What a dumbass. They were fun, though. And the music and visuals were top-notch. How I'd "fix" those movies, is keep most of what they did, and then hire a director and screenwriter who actually read the comics, and didn't just flip through them before tossing them on a pile dismissively and then speak of them with disdain. If you ever wanna puke, go find an old interview of Burton talking about how stupid and juvenile Batman and comics were in general, and how none of the mythology "worked" until HE got a hold of it. They're good movies, don't get me wrong, but they're not very faithful in any respect aside from, "Yeah, that's kinda what the characters look like." The rest is just Tim Burton jacking off all over the celluloid like he always does. And me, I'm way the hell over him and his "quirkiness". Forever and Batman & Robin I'd just burn. Too much neon and everyone acts like they're in a goddamn high school play. The whole thing felt like watching the Batman Stunt Show at Six Flags, just ridiculous stunts and set pieces with zero rhyme or reason, mixed with the absolute worst acting and writing possible. Those movies are the shts, all over. Forever's at least watchable, at least the five seconds neither Carrey nor Jones are hamming it up and fcking ruining everything. I still haven't gotten through Batman & Robin. I've probably seen all of it a piece at a time, but I don't think I've ever watched more than 15 minutes at once. I can't. I get mad, and take it out on homeless people by lighting them on fire. They don't all die, but they're all in a lot less pain than I am every time I try and watch Batman and fcking Robin. I agree that 89 and Returns both had some problems - the biggest of all being Tim Burton - but it's not right to say Forever "worked better". Nothing about it worked period, it was just Less Bad than the next one. Awful cast giving awful performances. Terrible script full of contrivances and nonsense. The Batmobile drives up walls. Chris O'Donnell playing Dick Grayson as a whiny cnt. Two-Face thinks he's The Joker. Neon everywhere. Jim Carrey ever being born. I loved it when I saw it in theaters when I was 12. I can't stand it now. Nice soundtrack, though.

07-29-2015, 12:30 AM	#18
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	I can buy the batmobile driving up a wall. It was on a hook and it was just for a quick escape. It's a little over the top but that's kinda the point of the batmobile. Not as impossible as the armor covering that just comes out of nowhere Overall I think Forever is better put together. It's corny but like I said not an all-time fave but I liked it just fine. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

07-29-2015, 10:07 PM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	It's one of the the Worst "anythings' ever. Not just movies, like everything. Like, when it's the end of the world, and the aliens are looking through their gigantic high-tech outer space time capsule that's like a scrapbook of mankind's entire existence and all its history and achievements... they're gonna look at that sht and vomit, deciding ultimately that maybe mankind was not MEANT to maintain its dominance over planet Earth. Not if it considered sht movies like "Batman & Robin" some sort of "achievement". It Sucks.