Wonder Woman Poll: Better than Gal?

[Commenter 42]

Although Gal Gadot looks fantastic in her sweet new Wonder Woman duds, I still can't help but feel that she's been woefully miscast. It feel's like a missed opportunity.


I've compiled a brief list of candidates whom might suite the role better, in my estimation, than a runway model-turned-actress. I've also included a poll so y'all can vote if you're so inclined.

Yay! Let's begin.


1. Amazon Eve / A Literal Amazonian.



According to Snyder, Affleck's height was a plus. It meant that Superman would be physically looking up to Batman. I thought it would be even better if both of them literally looked up to WW.
Perhaps other Amazonian roles could be played by Lindsay Hayward and this woman


2. Amanda Beard / Olympian



Beard is well suited to play Diana. As an Olympian, she's someone who can physically own the role. She's also got that blue eyed - dark haired look we've grown accustomed to over the years.

3. Laverne Cox / Unknown Transgendered woman.



(I'll admit, I'm not as hip with the correct turns of phrase, so if I've made any mistakes in my wording, I've no intent to offend. )

Putting a trans woman in the role would be pretty awesome. I'm suggesting Laverne, because she's a damned fine actress, as evidenced in OISTB. Alternatively, this could also be a great opportunity to cast a great unknown, and raise the visibility beyond Caitlin Jenner.


4. Ronda Rousey/ Gina Carano / Trained Fighter




Should WW be a tough-as-nails brawler? Roussey seems to thinks so.

It would be nice to see properly thrown punches in a CBM for a change.


5. Jamie Alexander / Fan "choice"



The sheer number of photo manips online of Jamie As WW is staggering. She bears more than a passing resemblance to the hero, and has already tread similar ground in Thor.

Anyway, that's it. If you have a better suggestion, have at it.


You spin me right round baby, right round...

[Candy Kappa]

Cox is a trans woman, not a man...

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Cox is a trans woman, not a man...

Fixed. You don't have an opinion?

[Candy Kappa]

I haven't seen Gadot in anything as far as I know, so I really don't have a proper opinion.

I was a bit uncertain by the first picture, the costume and Gadot looked a lot better then the Pilot episode actor and costume of the 2011(?) ditched show. But I'd prefer a actor that looks a bit buffer and should be taller then the guys, I don't know how tall Gadot is, but Hollywood usually makes women characters shorter then the men.

The split second we saw of WW in the trailer was pretty good.

[Turo602]

And I thought Hollywood was bad...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm all for Gal Gadot, but I would've enjoyed Jaime Alexander in the role.

Rousey's a complete self-absorbed condescending b!tch, though... couldn't stand her in Furious 7 or Expendables 2, and can't believe she made fun of a fellow woman (Gal) when she lost the role of Wonder Woman. Way to support women's rights, Rousey.

[Cure]

I liked Gina Carano for the role. Her acting isn't great, but I wouldn't expect any deep monologues from Wonder Woman, anyway.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm all for Gal Gadot, but I would've enjoyed Jaime Alexander in the role.

Rousey's a complete self-absorbed condescending b!tch, though... couldn't stand her in Furious 7 or Expendables 2, and can't believe she made fun of a fellow woman (Gal) when she lost the role of Wonder Woman. Way to support women's rights, Rousey.

Who cares. She's a bad ass and she knows it.

[Bry]

Gina Torres, 100%.



A fan-favourite pick for a very long time, and for good reason. She's got the no-nonsense toughness more than down, but also can excel at the diplomatic and compassionate side. I think she'd be a great, well-rounded version of Wonder Woman. And she's voiced the character before!

[Electric]

I came into this thread all ready to defend Gal as a casting choice...and then I saw Amanda beard. And her face is just Wonder Woman. When I think Wonder Woman, I think that. Wow. Definitely would vote for her. The others absolutely not, even the fan choice, who to me, doesn't bring anything that Gal doesn't.

Anyways, Gal I think will kill it. She looks like a badass too

[Commenter 42]

The point is, if you wanted a physically comic accurate WW, it wouldn't be hard to find someone who fit. Hell, even Katy Perry look's a bit like WW (not that I'd want to see that, just an observation.)

I was thinking more along the lines of who the character is, not how she looks. Do people still think of her as the female Superman, who will choose love over violence, and reason over retribution; or is she the a warrior, cold and decisive, with a strong disdain for men? Maybe in 2015, WW should be an SJW?

I raised the question because no one seems to be thrilled by Gal Gadot online, (or at least they were against it up until the latest trailer dropped.) and while I personally dislike Adam Hughes WW, that IS the WW that coms to mind first, and Gal looks nothing like that. Is Gal a good actress? Who knows. Is Gal more attractive than my mental picture? To me? You betcha! But is WW about being sexy? I don't know. If this were Selina Kyle, Black Cat, or Mary Jane; Supergirl, Psylocke, or Elektra, then yes, I think those characters are inherently sexy, and it needs to be there on the screen. I'm just not sure it's right for WW, and I'm still waiting for Leo to tell me I'm wrong.

[Leo656]

Eh. I'm kind of non-committal since only like 1 out of 10 people "get" the character enough to do her right, so I kind of go into every new Wonder Woman project with a heavy dose of "We'll See" until I'm proven wrong. Regardless of who plays her, it's super-easy to f*** up Wonder Woman, so I'm anxious about a lot more than just the person in the role, frankly. That's kind of the least of my concerns; Gal's not my pick at all but apparently she's Close Enough.

If I had to pick I'd go with that Jamie Alexander chick. I'unno, I never seen her in anything that I can recall, but she looks more the part than the rest and that's 9 and 9/10s of it; it's a movie. As you mentioned, Wonder Woman's kind of a broad canvas; she represents a lot of things to a lot of people, and has been written a ton of different ways. So you get a lot of wiggle room; as long as the person looks the part, can out-act Tara Reid, and the stuff she's scripted to say and do isn't complete nonsense, you can get away with a lot and still make enough people happy. There's just a ton of room for error within each of those categories, and that's why stuff like the aborted TV show a couple years back fails to get traction.

As for who Wonder Woman "really" is or should be portrayed, for me it's simple: George Perez version. That was the brightest shining moment in the character's history; those who would disagree are simply Wrong.

[Commenter 42]

I read about Grant Morrison's plans, and I dig what he's doing. Yanick Paquette is an incredible illustrator, so I have high hopes.
http://www.amazon.ca/Wonder-Woman-Ea.../dp/1401229786

If I was a betting man, and I am, I'd wager you're not a fan of Morrison.

And yeah, the list up top was intended to be as outside the box as possible. If I were in charge, I'd want someone who looked the part, the way Reeve looked the part, but then again, if Given the choice, Cavil and Affleck would be out too.
I'd keep Moma, but as Lobo, or maybe even test him for Bats. Affleck is a type of Batman, but not the perfect choice. My Bats wouldn't need a padded rubber suit, that's for sure.
...ugh...
I really hate this movie...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I kind of agree with Leo on this, so I voted for Amanda or Jamie, as the "look" is a big part of how people see the character overall. It makes no difference if the actress gets the persona down, but just doesn't look the part. It's jarring to people who expect to SEE Wonder Woman.

[Leo656]

As far as Morrison... Sometimes. Half the time he's brilliant, half the time I think we'd all be better off if he was locked in a room somewhere with one of those special jackets that zips up in the back. Frankly, I don't think anyone on THAT many drugs should necessarily be writing commercial fiction. And he definitely needs someone to reign him in on some of his "bigger" ideas. I know people tend to look at the Big Companies, and DC in particular, as something akin to a dictatorship, and that's understandable. But at the same time, I think one of the biggest things that started sinking DC in the last 10 years was when they started letting guys like Morrison and Johns do absolutely anything they wanted just because their books sold.

Put it this way: I really really liked Final Crisis - Yea, I was the One Guy - but the whole time I was reading it, I just KNEW it was the bullet that was going to "kill" DC for good, because it's just an awful book unless you've been reading DC for 100 years. Yeah, it's "everything Grant ever did, plus every story DC ever did, and everything Jack Kirby ever did, all tied together, and it's Epic and Brilliant and..." Holy sh*t, only me and 3 other people have read enough comics for that f*cking book to make sense past Page One. And lo and behold, 5 f*cking minutes later, they reboot the entire company and make it awful, because they risked everything on Final Crisis, and they tanked it, because Grant Morrison doesn't know when the f*ck he's shooting way over the audience's head and making them feel stupid rather than engaged. He's too goddamn in love with his own "brilliant" ideas, and half the time even HE can't explain himself properly, because he's got about 80 gallons of LSD floating in his brain.

DC of course being DC, they still let him do anything he wants, despite HIS book being the one that necessitated the relaunch and all the awful New 52 stuff in the first place. What a shock, the only stuff in the entire DCU canon that carries over to an entirely new Universe, is Morrison's Batman stuff. Imagine. And I really like a lot of it, and when you sit and read the entire run all at once it's really great, but reading the Batman stuff on a monthly basis was BRUTAL, because it was all seeds and threads and hints and red herrings that took YEARS to finally pay off, long after most people stopped caring... and Nothing Else was going on in the books BUT that Black Glove stuff! Taken all at once, it's a beautiful tapestry of long-form storytelling. As it was coming out, though? Frustrating as hell to read. Guy needs to stick to mini-series and self-contained stories, in my opinion, if he's hell-bent on doing "His Stories His Way". I don't like seeing him impose his will on a monthly book, not enough people "get" his stuff for that to be allowed. He's also batsh*t insane so he shouldn't be dictating canon, either.

On the other hand, his JLA run was some of the biggest and best super-hero fiction ever written, and one of the highest points in the book's entire history. It struck the perfect balance between all his "Big Ideas", and wide-screen style Big Action. But a lot of that had to do with DC Editorial forcing him to mostly stick to 6-issue arcs and not make things too complicated along the way. I mean, he took that book, and did great stories with Plastic Man AND f*cking Electric Blue Superman. That takes talent, and nobody can say sh*t about that.

So yeah, stuff I love, like, and hate.
----------

Cavill looks exactly like Dan Jurgens' Superman, you're nuts. Although I agree they went a little too thick with Batman. I hate Frank Miller and I hate when people put too much of his stuff into anything. But, it still looks 100x better than that monstrosity Bale clunked around in for two movies.

I actually prefer Momoa's look for Aquaman, because Aquaman f*cking sucks and pretty much anything you do to that character is an improvement. That's one case I make a huge exception for. When it comes to Aquaman: F*ck Canon, just make him not goddamn corny and you win.

God I f*cking hate Aquaman.

[Commenter 42]

Okay, for the last time, ever; I HATE NOLAN.

HATE.
Seriously.

I wrote a three paragraph verbose explanation...but then the iPad did the f*ck u dance and crashed Chrome. Soooo...ARRRGH...fkt.

Yep.

Anyway, Cavil is too short, and that costume is doing him no favors. You think Jurgens is the definitive artist, I think Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez is ( excluding his weird revamp mid 80's...not really into that.)


Bright, saturated colors on the suit, tall, bright blue eyes, tanned and extraordinarily handsome. That's the guy. C'mon man! Übermensch! Ya?

Cavil is a good looking dude, but he's pale, and short.

Even Reeve looked goofy at times, I admit, and he sure didn't have the crazy toned physique, so there are some clear misses there as well.

But if you're going to wear the cape, you gotta fill them boots.

And Aquaman? yeah, he can be cool - but black grease paint and grimey clothes don't automatically make cool.



Moma would have been a great Lobo. C'mon, he suits the role to a T (gene Simons is, 90 or something, so that's out )

Chris Hemsworth would be an awesome Aquaman. Paul Walker would have looked great too, even if hje is one of the worst actors ever (R.I.P) great guy though, or so I've heard.
But you want an amazing Aqua, cast a male model like this guy :
Clean cut:

(not sure who this dude is^^

Or just go whole hog and cast this dude:





Ben Dahlhaus.
Aquaman is now the sexiest member of The JLA. It no longer matters how he's dressed, the ladies are all about him. Boom.
He can parade around in tangerine and teal all day, and they all be drooling.

Hell' he's even sporting a Sea Shepherd T.
Rock star...

[Leo656]

Jason would'a been a good Lobo, I'll agree. But I fall in with Keith Gifffen, who says he swears, hopes, and prays that DC/WB never actually get to bastardize Lobo for the screen, because everything he's seen as far as scripts and ideas strongly suggests that they have no clue how to do it without ruining it. So whatever, if all he'd be is a good-looking version of Lobo in a piece of sh*t movie, it's no great loss. Let him be Fish Guy instead. S'fine.

Some of those other guys are okay too, but I'm honestly fine with Momoa. I honestly don't think he's gonna be a huge part of the movies. I think he's just there because "You have to have Aquaman". I don't expect him to have a huge impact overall so I'm not sure it matters who plays him. Yeah, could'a been a blonde guy, but again, that's the least of your worries when you're doing Aquaman. If people bought a black Perry White they'll buy an Aquaman with black hair.

And Cavill's too short to play Superman the same way John Rhys-Davies was too tall to play Gimli. It's a f***in' movie, shaddap.

You DO remember, that this is the studio that approached both Ashton Kutcher and Brendan Frasier about 700 times each to play Superman? I do, and I thank Azathoth every DAY that we have Henry Cavill. The fact he's short is the least of our worries; we almost got f*cking Kelso, man. Be grateful.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Jason would'a been a good Lobo, I'll agree. But I fall in with Keith Gifffen, who says he swears, hopes, and prays that DC/WB never actually get to bastardize Lobo for the screen, because everything he's seen as far as scripts and ideas strongly suggests that they have no clue how to do it without ruining it. So whatever, if all he'd be is a good-looking version of Lobo in a piece of sh*t movie, it's no great loss. Let him be Fish Guy instead. S'fine.

Some of those other guys are okay too, but I'm honestly fine with Momoa. I honestly don't think he's gonna be a huge part of the movies. I think he's just there because "You have to have Aquaman". I don't expect him to have a huge impact overall so I'm not sure it matters who plays him. Yeah, could'a been a blonde guy, but again, that's the least of your worries when you're doing Aquaman. If people bought a black Perry White they'll buy an Aquaman with black hair.

And Cavill's too short to play Superman the same way John Rhys-Davies was too tall to play Gimli. It's a f***in' movie, shaddap.

You DO remember, that this is the studio that approached both Ashton Kutcher and Brendan Frasier about 700 times each to play Superman? I do, and I thank Azathoth every DAY that we have Henry Cavill. The fact he's short is the least of our worries; we almost got f*cking Kelso, man. Be grateful.

Alright, when you're right you're right. Blech...Brendan Fraiser.

At least you can see what I mean. I got nothing against Cavil, I'm just a shoot for the moon kinda guy - a best of the best thing, not a best of WB's stupid ideas. I heard a quote the other day...

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true."
-James Branch Cabell

I identify with the pessimist.

Too bad about the Lobo thing... i had no idea.

Did you download the Superman lives Doc? I heard it's pretty awesome.

[Leo656]

I think Brendan Frasier would have been a good Captain Marvel at one point, but not Superman. He's a little too goofy and boyish for Superman but I could see him as the Big Red Cheese. At least a few years ago, anyways.

- Nah, I didn't see it yet. Ain't it coming out on DVD? I still buy DVDs, I'm That Guy.

- Yeah, Giffen's been in and out of involvement with the Lobo movie since they first started talking about it. "They (WB) don't have any idea how to do it" and "I pray it never gets made" are what he's been quoted as saying most frequently. He did work Lobo into a Superman reboot script he was asked to write in 2002 or so, and the script was called by many "The best comic book movie script ever written," but WB said it would be too expensive to film. Which was kind of dumb, because when they asked him to write it, they specifically told him NOT to worry about a budget and just write a good movie that could be spun off into a Lobo movie.

Guy does exactly what he's told, doesn't get the job, and his phone stops ringing. F*ck Hollywood.

- Back to Wonder Woman... I know it's the easy, cliche choice, but it's kind of a shame they didn't get their sh*t together on Wonder Woman back when Lucy Lawless was in her prime. She could'a killed it.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think Brendan Frasier would have been a good Captain Marvel at one point, but not Superman. He's a little too goofy and boyish for Superman but I could see him as the Big Red Cheese. At least a few years ago, anyways.

HELL TO THE NO!!!

I grew up with G*d Damned Shazam wall-paper in my bedroom man. I know that face better than my own. Lord no. The Captain is a big jerk, sure. a HUGE cheeseball, yes sir, but not the f*cking Encino man.

C'mon, man! Shazam? Captain F*cking Marvel?



If there's one character Ross nailed, it was him.

Spoiler:

hunh.. look at what google turned up. Damn

Originally Posted by Leo656

- Nah, I didn't see it yet. Ain't it coming out on DVD? I still buy DVDs, I'm That Guy.

It's only available to order through his store.
If you buy the digital, be aware that it's not a Download link - it's all hosted and you stream the content. Wish I'd ordered the Blu-ray instead. Feel like I was ripped off.

Originally Posted by Leo656

- Back to Wonder Woman... I know it's the easy, cliche choice, but it's kind of a shame they didn't get their sh*t together on Wonder Woman back when Lucy Lawless was in her prime. She could'a killed it.

I see the resemblance, and yeah, she was pretty much a WW clone of sorts, I guess, but man, I couldn't stand that show, or her, or Hercules. Honestly, I hate all the late 90's adventure TV shows. Fromage of the highest order!

But if they were looking for an Adam Hughes WW...she's pretty close...that or a man. Let's be honest, Hughes WW is a drag queen.



and maybe an Amazonian would look like that... who knows...

I'm more into this for WW:



And yes, I'm aware she's a Megan Fox clone... I know I though about leading with this image, but worried I'd be judge judy-ed over it.