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Old 07-27-2015, 07:13 PM   #21
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That's exactly my my point though...

If they're de-mutated, they no longer have to hide/rely on Shredder for survival & can escape his clutches, which would be their exit from the series altogether, presumably.

Assuming things go this way, they're not gonna get killed off, they'll just bail.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:47 PM   #22
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That's exactly my my point though...

If they're de-mutated, they no longer have to hide/rely on Shredder for survival & can escape his clutches, which would be their exit from the series altogether, presumably.

Assuming things go this way, they're not gonna get killed off, they'll just bail.
Isn't Bradford Loyal to Shredder because he's his master and isn't Xever loyal because he was bailed out of prison by Shredder?
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:53 PM   #23
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That's exactly my my point though...

If they're de-mutated, they no longer have to hide/rely on Shredder for survival & can escape his clutches, which would be their exit from the series altogether, presumably.

Assuming things go this way, they're not gonna get killed off, they'll just bail.
They wouldn't bail. Baxter might, but not Xever and Bradford. Bradford is too loyal to want to leave, and Shredder always holds the threat of returning Xever to jail if he ever tried to leave. Plus Shredder has money and connections that Xever needs to maintain his gang ties.

Too much says they'd stay after de-mutation.

Edit: Ninjaed by Ninturtle. But yeah, they wouldn't bail.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:55 PM   #24
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Bruuuuuuh if Shredder does this himself, says f**k it all & combines himself with them without any regard for their well being, do you really think they'd be loyal to him if they came out of it alive? No way! Besides, just because there's history with him doesn't mean they value the relationship they have with their abusive master more than they do their long lost humanity. Rahzar & Fishface have already been replaced by Bebop & Rocksteady anyway, & my guess is they'll be all The Shredder is left with, assuming he survives this & they play some part in things.

I mean really, the second they become humans again, they'd see no reason to stay. They're loyal to him because as mutants they have no other choice. He gives them a place to stay, & missions through which to get their anger out. If he's down & out, pulling sh*t like this as a last ditch effort, his post-mutiny resources would be limited at best, so I doubt they'd be concerned.
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Old 07-27-2015, 08:24 PM   #25
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I understand what you both are saying. They are loyal to shredder. However, when asked by Raphael why he was evil, what did he say ?

He responded by saying that a job where he gets to crack skulls every day pleased him, not “I am too loyal to shredder". And fish face has taken too many beatings from Shredder, especially in "the legend of the kuro kabuto ", to stay loyal to him if he were to turn human again.

There are so many reasons why Rhazar would betray Shredder.

1.Bradford was treated badly by Shredder when he was Dogpound.

2. Shredder didn't care about his mutation. He just thought his mutation form had his advantages in “ panic in the sewers".

Anyway this thread is about Shredder, not the others. You haven't given your opinion ninturtle.
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:43 PM   #26
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Bruuuuuuh if Shredder does this himself, says f**k it all & combines himself with them without any regard for their well being, do you really think they'd be loyal to him if they came out of it alive? No way! Besides, just because there's history with him doesn't mean they value the relationship they have with their abusive master more than they do their long lost humanity. Rahzar & Fishface have already been replaced by Bebop & Rocksteady anyway, & my guess is they'll be all The Shredder is left with, assuming he survives this & they play some part in things.

I mean really, the second they become humans again, they'd see no reason to stay. They're loyal to him because as mutants they have no other choice. He gives them a place to stay, & missions through which to get their anger out. If he's down & out, pulling sh*t like this as a last ditch effort, his post-mutiny resources would be limited at best, so I doubt they'd be concerned.
Bradford I could see remaining loyal if that's the situation. Xever, no.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:01 PM   #27
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Do I want it to happen? No.

Do I think it will happen. Quite possibly. Odds are by now 50/50.

How will I react? By spraining my eyes from rolling them too hard.
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Before they mutated Karai, I really believed that there were limits to who was "mutatable". Now, nothing would surprise me. No human is safe.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:12 PM   #28
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I saw the clip, and it was a robot shredder, not a mutant.
Can you link the clip?
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:20 PM   #29
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Can you link the clip?
Robot Shredder was from a toy commercial, Jesus Christ.
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