Season 2: What was the Problem

[Shark_Blade]

Dumbass Timothy.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I am 100% on Purple Kraken's side in this debate.



Consider all the mutants in the 4Kids storyline "Outbreak", etc. Eventually, ALL of the mutants in NYC are dealt with by Bishop gassing the city to cure them. Because they were DANGEROUS. Nick's mutants are just as dangerous but completely swept under the rug by the writers with their "mutant of the week" mindset and writing style.

Ciro and Brandon said there would be a humans vs mutants arc and that the EPF would return so Nicks TMNT could be doing the same thing. You have to remember the shows not over , they could still adress your concerns.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

Ciro and Brandon said there would be a humans vs mutants arc and that the EPF would return so Nicks TMNT could be doing the same thing. You have to remember the shows not over , they could still adress your concerns.

This. 100x this.

[The Big Bad]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There were no plotholes. What are people referring to?

Off the top of my head:

1) The Kraang has been involved involved with Earth for basically the entirety of human existence. The Kraang have no problem with invading Earth without first perfecting the mutagen. The Kraang choose present day to invade, despite having thousands of millenia to do so, and despite the fact that having Earth under an iron grip would have made it far easier to capture the person with the magical DNA whenever they came around.

2) Kirby O'Neil's amazing disappearing / reappearing technical expertise. First, we have him discovering stuff which he could have only known if he were allowed access to Kraang operations, which could only happen if he were the Kraang's target. Then we're told--like ten episodes later--that he has nothing of value to the Kraang, and that he's a psychologist. Later still, we have the turtles assert that they need Kirby and his expertise in order to operate their Kraang detector, by which I mean "stare at a screen".

3) Irma as Kraang. How fantastic for the Kraang to think of infiltrating April's social circle via Irma; it will allow them to kidnap her without the turtles being the wiser. So of course they use it to attack the turtles on their lair, in a way that gives the game away. (Note: the same can be said of the April clone in "The Kraang Conspiracy".

[Leofan26]

A lot of issues, not as much as season three though in my opinion. For one thing, Mikey got more stupid and they got repeative with Raph's plots. Donnie's negative aspects were focused more on, like his crush on April? I don't need to see a lot of episodes deticated to his jealousy thanks. Again in my opinion it shows his ugly side, makes me disliked his character a lot. I adored 2003 Donnie way more, shame

At least they are trying to fix that though, I haven't seen him worry or care about that in a while so it's cool

[Victorsaurus]

I'm okay with it, nothing good/bad for me to say about the season.
I'm just happy to see new TMNT episodes.
Nowadays I don't have big expectation for TMNT and non TMNT related stuff.

[Groverman62]

Im sorta there with you. I love the Turtles, but even at their most dark and mature, there not something that I take too seriously

[Bry]

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

Off the top of my head:

1) The Kraang has been involved involved with Earth for basically the entirety of human existence. The Kraang have no problem with invading Earth without first perfecting the mutagen. The Kraang choose present day to invade, despite having thousands of millenia to do so, and despite the fact that having Earth under an iron grip would have made it far easy to capture.

2) Kirby O'Neil's amazing disappearing / reappearing technical expertise. First, we have him discovering stuff which he could have only known if he were allowed access to Kraang operationsT which could only happen if he were the Kraang's target. Then we're told--like ten episodes later--that he has nothing of value to the Kraang, and that he's a psychologist. Later still, we have the turtles assert that they need Kirby and his expertise in order to operate their Kraang detector, by which I mean "stare at a screen".

3) Irma as Kraang. How fantastic for the Kraang to think of infiltrating April's social circle via Irma; it will allow them to kidnap her without the turtles being the wiser. So of course they use it to attack the turtles on their lair, in a way that gives the game away. (Note: the same can be said of the April clone in "The Kraang Conspiracy".

All good points. A lot of the Kraang plots really don't hold together at all if you think about them with much depth, honestly. They're super entertaining, but at this point a lot of the Kraang plots seem pretty half-baked, and I've found them to be one of the weaker parts of the show overall.

[tylerdavies]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Yup but Season 2 had really good individual episodes, but the over arching storyline? What storyline? Honestly in those days, their philosophy was probably "Hey, let's throw it and see what sticks guys." which is how we get some awesome episodic stories, and with most of them being intro episodes to new characters. Few exception were Karai character arc, and April being mad at the turtles.

Originally Posted by jenna

Season 1 had some soft, thoughtful moments and some quite philosophical questions. For example, episodes such as Never Say Xever or Enemy of my Enemy showed Leonardo working through some difficult moral questions. I loved that and thought Ciro had given us something really special, on par with 2k3 in that respect.

Season 2 saw the decline of this thoughtfulness in favour of action, and by Season 3, it was gone altogether. Even episodes such as Slash and Destroy or Vision Quest, with premises that promised something thought provoking seemed unable to go into their subjects in any real depth.

That's my opinion on what went wrong in season 2. The show lost its heart.

A lot of how I feel about season 2. It feels like a rehash of the first season to me. The turtles uncovering the Kraang, again. The turtles fighting against shredder and karai, again. Donnie still obsesses over a relationship with April that doesn't go anywhere. Mikey being even more obnoxious than he was in season 1. Raph getting a single episode for development throughout the season. Leo still learning what it takes to be a leader. Even the finale is a rehash with the turtles fighting the kraang and splinter fighting shredder. However what season 2's finale did right was leave us off on a great cliffhanger whether everything will be alright with new york being mutated, possible dead splinter and severely injured leo. It feels like season 1 all over again except more poorly paced. Except for the last handful of episodes where **** hits the fan.

I think season 3 starts well but just flops when it came to developing its characters after such a tragic event.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by tylerdavies

A lot of how I feel about season 2. It feels like a rehash of the first season to me. The turtles uncovering the Kraang, again. The turtles fighting against shredder and karai, again. Donnie still obsesses over a relationship with April that doesn't go anywhere. Mikey being even more obnoxious than he was in season 1. Raph getting a single episode for development throughout the season. Leo still learning what it takes to be a leader. Even the finale is a rehash with the turtles fighting the kraang and splinter fighting shredder. However what season 2's finale did right was leave us off on a great cliffhanger whether everything will be alright with new york being mutated, possible dead splinter and severely injured leo. It feels like season 1 all over again except more poorly paced. Except for the last handful of episodes where **** hits the fan.

I think season 3 starts well but just flops when it came to developing its characters after such a tragic event.

It just goes to show that they are really inept with drama and the serious stuff. They're go to good with the more fun goofy fantastical elements of the show, but when comes to something really heavy, they tend to drop ball more then once. It's like the dark stuff was more meant to be shock value then start of a character development or beginning an arc.


That's kind of mess up, but I have to wonder if they were trying to follow what mirage comics did in their Northampton arc? I remember it had some side stories that had nothing to do with the main story.

Maybe it was just really bad idea to include an another alien invasion. It just too much of difference in tone when knowing that there is an alien threat looming over nearby.

Perhaps it would have made a world of difference if the alien invasion happened while they were away and came back to only find that the city had been overtook by the Kraang.