Rat King speculations

[Tardigrade]

I Have a theory I would like to share about the Rat King and is possible implication about the reincarnation aspect of the IDW universe. I am pretty sure that it won't happens, but I would be very happy if it turns out to be true.

Spoiler:

Since pretty much everything in Casey and April micro seem to be illusions created by the Rat King, I wonder if he plays a role in the reincarnation aspect of the IDW universe.

I think it would make sense for him to bring back the Hamato Yoshi’s clan seeing that Oroku Saki was back from the death, to get pawns to go against Kitsune’s pawn. Splinter is the first and the one having the most memories from their past lives. Splinter is also a rat, so it should be easy for the Rat King to manipulate him (especially pre-mutation).

Now the big question is, did the Rat King bring back the souls of the Hamato’s clan or did he created illusions to convince a rat and four turtles that they were that clan (maybe giving them memories explaining that they know martial arts). If the Rat King is able to create illusions, like he seem to do in Casey and April, the few apparitions of Tang Shen could be illusions to help convince the turtles and Splinter to take vengeance on Shredder (and this way affecting Kitsune’s plan). When Tang Shen convince Donatello to don’t go toward the light, the Rat King was maybe desperately trying to save one of is pawn to keep is edge against Kitsune.

What I really like about this theory it’s the implication that it would have if the turtles learn that all that war has no purposes and that Splinter is probably not their real father. They would probably doubt everything they are and where they stand as a family (a little bit like when they found out that their mutation is an accident in past iterations). I am pretty sure they would have very different reactions to the matters and that it could reignite some past frictions between Leo, Raph and Donnie. That would set the table for a great Mikey storyline where he would stand between them trying to keep the family together and probably being the one remembering them that no matter what they are still brothers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Tardigrade

I Have a theory I would like to share about the Rat King and is possible implication about the reincarnation aspect of the IDW universe. I am pretty sure that it won't happens, but I would be very happy if it turns out to be true.

Spoiler:

Since pretty much everything in Casey and April micro seem to be illusions created by the Rat King, I wonder if he plays a role in the reincarnation aspect of the IDW universe.

I think it would make sense for him to bring back the Hamato Yoshi’s clan seeing that Oroku Saki was back from the death, to get pawns to go against Kitsune’s pawn. Splinter is the first and the one having the most memories from their past lives. Splinter is also a rat, so it should be easy for the Rat King to manipulate him (especially pre-mutation).

Now the big question is, did the Rat King bring back the souls of the Hamato’s clan or did he created illusions to convince a rat and four turtles that they were that clan (maybe giving them memories explaining that they know martial arts). If the Rat King is able to create illusions, like he seem to do in Casey and April, the few apparitions of Tang Shen could be illusions to help convince the turtles and Splinter to take vengeance on Shredder (and this way affecting Kitsune’s plan). When Tang Shen convince Donatello to don’t go toward the light, the Rat King was maybe desperately trying to save one of is pawn to keep is edge against Kitsune.

What I really like about this theory it’s the implication that it would have if the turtles learn that all that war has no purposes and that Splinter is probably not their real father. They would probably doubt everything they are and where they stand as a family (a little bit like when they found out that their mutation is an accident in past incarnation). I am pretty sure they would have very different reactions to the matters and that it could reignite some past frictions between Leo, Raph and Donnie. That would set the table for a great Mikey storyline where he would stand between them trying to keep the family together and probably being the one remembering them that no matter what they are still brothers.

First, welcome to the forums!

And second... damn. I doubt it, but it this was true... damn.

[AquaParade]

This is a nutshell is what I have hoped for since the reincarnation aspect was introduced in issue #5. It's a bit like Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.

[old_hob88]

That would be an interesting turn of events. The question is whether or not it would truly affect their involvement in the war though. At the end of Turtles in Time, they realize that the war they are involved in is MUCH bigger than just the time that they are the ninja turtles, that it began long before they were born and will continue long after they're gone. Also, while part of their motivation is driven by a desire for vengeance against Shredder, they are also motivated to do what is right no matter what. It's this reason that they fight Krang both times, as they have no previous bad blood with him, and don't even know who he is the first time they face him. I think Splinter would be the most affected by this if it were true, since he is the one tied strongest to his past life. Would it create friction between the turtles? Who knows, maybe. It would make for an interesting plot development though.

[Tardigrade]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

First, welcome to the forums!

Thank you for the welcome !

Originally Posted by old_hob88

That would be an interesting turn of events. The question is whether or not it would truly affect their involvement in the war though. At the end of Turtles in Time, they realize that the war they are involved in is MUCH bigger than just the time that they are the ninja turtles, that it began long before they were born and will continue long after they're gone. Also, while part of their motivation is driven by a desire for vengeance against Shredder, they are also motivated to do what is right no matter what. It's this reason that they fight Krang both times, as they have no previous bad blood with him, and don't even know who he is the first time they face him. I think Splinter would be the most affected by this if it were true, since he is the one tied strongest to his past life. Would it create friction between the turtles? Who knows, maybe. It would make for an interesting plot development though.

You are probably right about the fact that it would not affect much their involvement in the war. But I can easily see Donatello questionning their involvement and the risks they take by affronting Shredder (after what happen to him while affronting Krang) vs Leonardo wanting to do what is right no matter what.

I also have a feeling that the upcoming events around #50 will put Leo and Raph more and more at odds (having a different opinions on how to handle things). In this view, the reveal that they are not reincarnated brother could be the final triggers to Raph wanting to go solo and making the decisions only by himself. But it's all speculations... base on almost nothing and feelings.

Splinter would probably take it the worse. Maybe he would feel ashamed and doesn't know how to act towards his sons.

[old_hob88]

I'll agree about Donatello maybe giving up the mask if this were to be true. That was also kind of implied in Turtles in Time as well. This sort of revelation could be his breaking point.

I could see Raph branching off by himself in the wake of this too. I'm not sure though. Even if they find out they aren't actually a reincarnated family, I feel like their familial bonds are strong enough to stand up to something like this. This is the first incarnation of the turtles where they truly are a family in the literal sense, but in other incarnations, they function as a family unit despite the fact that they aren't truly related per se.