JLA: New Series?

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

That doesn't make any sense. How is the fact that he's black suppose to keep Wally from acting the same as before?

It doesn't. People just don't like the idea of Wally being black.

[Leo656]

Actually, for once I agree with sdp (although I can't tell for sure if they were being serious or just joking). Dead serious, as an Irish kid with a lot of red-haired kids in my family it was always neat seeing a little contrast from all the guys looking almost exclusively like Clark Kent. It wasn't the main thing I liked about The Flash, nor is it the biggest deal in the world now as an adult, but it was indeed something I liked, because in my family we take our heritage seriously (though not to an obsessive degree). So I DO get the whole "Seeing yourself represented" thing. Usually when "My People" get to be super-heroes, they're a f***in' joke. So I get it, and Wally being of Celtic descent did, in some small way, get me a little more invested into his character over the years.

I just think it's annoying that "white minorities" supposedly aren't as important to represent. Think about it; Wally West was an Irish character who wasn't immediately a stereotype like Banshee or whoever. That's almost as rare as a black character who doesn't have "Black" right in their name. But when they need to "flip" someone to black just to even out the numbers, he's up for grabs because "white minorities don't matter, they don't need to be represented". It tells me "My People" aren't as necessary to be "included" as "Your People". Because "White Is White", right? Except that it isn't, there ARE white minorities, and it's insulting to insinuate they don't deserve to be included because "there's already too many white guys."

That's just as f***ed up whether you think it is or it isn't. Not all shades of "white" are equal, and my people have faced more than their share of inequality and exclusion, too. That's why you shouldn't do things like that; just leave established things alone and come up with new things. You simply can't have forced "inclusion" without marginalizing someone else.

This is the ultimate irony of it: The people arguing for "more representation" because "race shouldn't matter", end up making what race the characters are the main primary thing of importance, thus, to them, race becomes the ONLY thing that matters. I.E., "I won't watch a show without X number of minorities in it." "I don't care if Your Group is marginalized, as long as My Group is given a push." Yet race doesn't/shouldn't matter.

Seriously. People need to really listen to themselves more before they marry themselves to a cause.

[Candy Kappa]

we get it, black people cant have Irish or Celtic descent in them (oh wait.)


Man, I'm gonna have great time seeing the Internet freak out the day we get a Arabian descent James Bond, it's gonna be glorious.

[BabyTurtles]

Seriously?? Put some red-hair on black Wally then! Red-headed black people do exist.

Heck there are TONS of red-heads in DC and Marvel already!!

ya know if you are gonna start that red-head debate then let's talk about the fact how there are different Asians, Africans, ect that aren't represented either.

And race does matter! Of course we shouldn't be prejudice against anyone's race but we should also want represent different races in media for representation. Race is apart of us and we should be proud of who we are and where we came from.

ya know you really shouldn't start that red-head debate, cause there are different Asians, Africans, ect that aren't represented either.

[Leo656]

You know exactly what I mean.

You know what was great? When I was a kid reading comics and watching cartoons with all my black and Hispanic and "misc." friends, and nobody gave a sh*t about nonsense like this.

No, it doesn't matter. Black people and their preferences weren't suddenly invented yesterday. They've been reading comics for decades and yet Black Panther still doesn't outsell Spider-Man. And yet, nobody EVER really cried about it, until 5 minutes ago, when the internet told them to.

Seriously. Boggles the mind, I know, that once upon a time people didn't insist on sticking SJW bullsh*t into something as inconsequential as super-heroes. The amount of people who want to see every white character changed to a non-white character, even among people of color, is an infinite minority compared to those who completely don't give a sh*t and would rather see more effort be put into creating minority characters who aren't stereotypes. This "problem" of "too many crackers" is one of many cases of phony moral outrage created by the internet. But again, "injustices" everywhere, "problems" needing to be "fixed". While the only "fixing" comes from the exact wrong direction, trumpeting reverse-discrimination as if it's "progress" instead of just another form of racism, which is all it is if anyone wants to be honest.

Think about it. Hollywood is incapable of writing a black character that doesn't talk like either Will Smith or Madea. And yet, you're going to make "progress" by making all established white fictional characters black, Asian, Hispanic, female, or gay. That'll fix everything!

Somehow, I'm positive it doesn't work that way. At best, it's attacking the wrong problem, and at worst, all it is is reverse-racism. Especially when minority characters have existed in fiction for ages, and minorities still overwhelmingly prefer the white characters. BUT, that flies in the face of SJW "logic" - "How dare black people generally prefer reading about white super-heroes when we gave them a bunch of characters just for them?" - so to "fix" the problem, just make all the more popular characters into minorities! Then everyone "wins"! Except NOW you're telling minorities that the only way they can be properly "represented" is by appropriating a pre-existing, already established, more popular character. "Black Lighting and Static aren't more popular? Silly black people, they don't know what they should like! Let's give 'em Flash and Captain America!"

Can you SEE what a pandering, bullsh*t, horribly offensive message that is? Why it's NOT "progressive", it's in fact really, really patronizing? "Minority characters cannot achieve an 'acceptable' level of popularity. We could attack the problem of 'Why not?', and maybe write those characters better and actually try and elevate them, but that is difficult. Instead we will take a character everyone already likes and paint them a different color, because that is easy." It assumes people are so desperate to be "included" that they'll accept any pat on the head they can get, even if it's mostly an illusion.

This issue is so much more complicated than "take a white guy and paint him" can properly address. But frankly, if you're reading super-hero comics and the majority of your time is counting how many ethnic or disabled or sexual orientation groups are being misrepresented, you're probably not having much fun, you might be pursuing the wrong hobby, and would almost certainly be happier doing almost anything else with your time.

If the race of a character is the main reason you read a book or watch a movie, or why you WON'T do those things, then go do something else and stop taking things so seriously. Holy f***ing sh*t.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

It doesn't. People just don't like the idea of Wally being black.

It's understandable though. As someone who grew up associating Wally West with the Flash identity, the sudden race change in the comics is still somewhat jarring. It's taken some time to get used to.

I just hope, personality-wise, once Wally appears on the CW show he'll act more like classic Wally and be Flash's biggest fanboy and less like the rebel New 52 version.

[CyberCubed]

Wait what? Wally West was changed into a black person in the comics? Is this true? I'm honestly just finding out about this now.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

It's understandable though. As someone who grew up associating Wally West with the Flash identity, the sudden race change in the comics is still somewhat jarring. It's taken some time to get used to.

I just hope, personality-wise, once Wally appears on the CW show he'll act more like classic Wally and be Flash's biggest fanboy and less like the rebel New 52 version.

Believe me I understand.

I love Young Justice Wally~ He's my favorite character. I hope that if they do keep the Wally is black thing in future shows, they have him act similar to YJ Wally.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I'm not sure why a black Wally West can't be fun loving in a TV show? And there exists black gingers if his hair color was that essential.

I mean, honestly! It's not like gingers are a minority or anything, right?
2% of the population is plenty. They got their heroes already, Ronald McDonald, carrot top, and others...

I mean, there's just so many ginger role models, we need to replace some of them with a black dude. Screw the gingers. There's too many of them already!

Jimmy Olsen, Walley West, April O'neal, Black Widow, Lex Luthor...

All those ginger actors, hogging all those jobs.

The horror.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I mean, honestly! It's not like gingers are a minority or anything, right?
2% of the population is plenty. They got their heroes already, Ronald McDonald, carrot top.

I mean, there's just so many ginger role models, gotta replace them with a black dude. Screw the gingers. There's too many of them already!

Well there are alot at least in comics.

Starfire
Jean Grey
Batgirl
Aqualad's wife
poison Ivy
Red arrow
Had Wally for a while, might still have him
Miss Martian
Dare Devil (is he a red-head??)
HawkGirl for the longest time
Lady Medusa
Mystique
Mary Jane
Iris for the longest time
April O Neil should get a mention
heck WonderWomen in one instance.
Batwomen

Edit: saw your post! forgot about Jimmy and Black Widow! XD oops


Disney
Ariel and Merida and Anna and Kim Possible


Pretty sure I'm missing alot more....anyone want to help me out?

though asking for more red-heads is like me asking for more darker black people to represented....(and that's not included the fact we just need more black people in general.)

anywho~ We don't need to replace anyone just introduce more minority characters and push the ones they have.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Well there are alot at least in comics.

Starfire
Jean Grey
Batgirl
Aqualad's wife
poison Ivy
Red arrow
Had Wally for a while, might still have him
Miss Martian
Dare Devil (is he a red-head??)
HawkGirl for the longest time
Lady Medusa
Mystique
Mary Jane
Iris for the longest time
April O Neil should get a mention
heck WonderWomen in one instance.
Batwomen

Edit: saw your post! forgot about Jimmy and Black Widow! XD oops


Disney
Ariel and Merida and Anna and Kim Possible


Pretty sure I'm missing alot more....anyone want to help me out?

though asking for more red-heads is like me asking for more darker black people to represented....(and that's not included the fact we just need more black people in general.)

anywho~ We don't need to replace anyone just introduce more minority characters and push the ones they have.

I think the point I was making, was to ask yourself how many gingers, get to play gingers. The answer, may surprise you.

And no, gingers are not just like blue eyed/green eyed people.

Gingers are the most hated minority on the planet.

Even the word ginger is just a fun rearrangement of the n word.

But sure, let's pass them over, and give their jobs to a "minority"

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I think the point I was making, was to ask yourself how many gingers, get to play gingers. The answer, may surprise you.

And no, gingers are not just like blue eyed/green eyed people.

Gingers are the most hated minority on the planet.

Even the word ginger is just a fun rearrangement of the n word.

But sure, let's pass them over, and give their jobs to a "minority"

[Cure]

Sassy gifs are a great way to show how serious you are about the point you're making.

[Leo656]

I generally look forward to and appreciate them though. That's her gimmick!

[Commenter 42]

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So, this isn't a thing?

http://kick-a-ginger-day.com/

I don't recall any other days dedicated to kicking minorities. Pretty sure that would be classified as a hate crime.

[BabyTurtles]

[QUOTE=Commenter 42;1509284]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

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So, this isn't a thing?

http://kick-a-ginger-day.com/

I don't recall any other days dedicated to kicking minorities. Pretty sure that would be classified as a hate crime.

Never said it wasn't but actually saying that red-heads are the most hated minorities on the planet?

really?

[Commenter 42]

[QUOTE=BabyTurtles;1509288]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Never said it wasn't but actually saying that red-heads are the most hated minorities on the planet?

really?

Go ahead, name a physical minority with more hate.
It's universal and un compromised. Google it.

Redheads get 0 respect.

Don't get me started on albinos.

[Leo656]

I've personally had it up to about here with the f***in' Portugese.

[BabyTurtles]

Funny how this all started just cause I wanted only 3 minorities on the team

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Funny how this all started just cause I wanted only 3 minorities on the team

They probably will be. If the teaser poster is an indication, the show won't just focus on the core seven members of the Justice League.